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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:05 pm

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saulres wrote:And before it's suggested that ShadowGirl have Phil modkilled: I would agree, but only if it meant she lost her ability. Day-vig-ing is one thing, but taking away a player's opportunity to win or lose on their own merits just sucks. Especially someone who's put some effort into the game (which you have to admit Phil has, with 72 posts, even if many of them were pure fluff).

Do you mean you want me to use my ability on someone knowingly that I would in turn to lose it? Without even possibly killing him, at that. (I don't remember the exact parameters around his role.)
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:08 pm

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IceGuy wrote:I think we're putting too much emphasis on scumhunting in this game.

Adding Agent_Ireland to my "must go before LyLo" list, in addition to all the people that have some kind of wonky vote mechanics.

make me headdesk*

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3983303
makes me feel better

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3989559
was that directed at me? If so I hadn't read your response to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3979641
when I made my post so nothing could change at that point

And it appears I forgot something
Spoiler:
PokerFace wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3973242

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BBmolla wrote:It's also quite possible that there is more to my role
I won't reveal more, it'd harm my soul.

However, it'll probably be pretty obvious in time

That there's a reason my posts are wierd, but rhyme.

^This is me obviously dropping hints that I'm super duper important or something(when I clearly just claimed my whole role). Considering the actual weakness of my ability, I figured trying to draw the night kill couldn't hurt.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you said this before you ever acted worried about recruiting scum. yay I'm not buying this. Gonna keep reading and writing though in case I find a better case. Might have a beer while I do it too.

BB, you asked me why I said this as you felt it didn't make sence. Yay I think I had too many tabs open at that point and quoted something wrong with that first link especially. Checked notes I took earlier. Long story short, I was asking how could you have been dropping hints "you were a powerful role when you weren't a powerful role" at that point in the game when you were yet to post about your roles chance of bringing in scum? In hindsight I realize now that is a dumb question that could potentially answer itself depending on how long you could have been trying to trick scum and fact you still later said your limitations. When you said your limitations is either when you dropped the idea OR you were oblivious before and you were now trying to say it was all planned. At the time I wrote that post I obviously thought you were trying to pull the later, but as I see you now

BBmolla wrote:I can bring in others from outside the game

like Tierce who is probably stalking me like a spy

I got lucky, my role actually isn't all that lame.

considered bringing in Tierce far earlier into the game I realized the former must be what you were getting at. So what really happened is I misunderstood you which led to you misunderstanding me. Overall lookslike I derped with that quote and missed something in thread. So I don't blame anyone for misunderstanding here. tldr, I should headdesk.... Spoiler tags were used here given this is not any valid form of case or questioning, its just a fuck up on my part so I don't think this needs discussed to the point it makes this post and thread way larger than it should be.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3989933
Can you explain why you said iceguy was scum here? I have a theory that you and iceguy could be scum buddies

PokerFace wrote:If BB's mafia then I have a theory on who the others are.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3976995
I came up with it while making my catch up before day 2 and yes one of those buds is iceguy as iceguy has said bbmolla was supicious at a time there was no case on bb and defended BB at another point as well. His stance on BB has thus not been solid which is a tell often made by scum. Especially if they say their buddy is suspicious day 1 and give no reason

IceGuy wrote:At the moment, saulres is vaguely town, and BBMolla is vaguely scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3974105
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3974168

and your reasonless opinion of him being scum falls in line with me thinking you are buddies. So please give an actual reason you think he is scum or I will keep thinking you guys are buddies

IceGuy wrote:PokerFace is scum.

Amrun and Tierce are town.

BBmolla is getting scummier.

Yes the chance you 2 are scum together continually looks strong in my head. Iceguy never gave a case on me and once defended you but goes back to thinking you are scummy without reason?
Word to the wise if BB flips mafia look at ICEGUY


If BB sn't mafia the only other non-town posibility is 3rd party. BB and teirce do NOT look like cult buddies. Tierce looks very town and genuine. I am actually kinda approving of BB's choice to bring her in at the start of this day. Hey wait a sec..I just thought of something. Tierce came in at the start of a day and not during the night. Assuming scum don't have day talk, any scum that could be brought in by BB couldn't talk to their buddies before the day started. They likly could read their scum QT (assuming they have a QT) but they couldn't talk back to their buds without day talk.
Do me a favor BBmolla. If you are town and only have 2 shots, do NOT use your recruit skill tonight.
I have a elaborate idea that may help the town but it requires your skill. Not sure if the idea will even work though especially if it brought in scum. Plan could go horrible if calculated wrong. So given the proximity we are to deadline I'll save discussing this idea for day 3. Explaining the idea now would likly increase it's fail rate and fail rate could already be too high if BB is scum, scum have day talk, or the recruit is scum. Its best to save my idea for later especially since BB and iceguy won't get lynched today considering the last vote count. I may enevitably have to go with the best other cases to possibly lynch scum and avoid a no lynch

more from me tomorrow. I am fully caught up to:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3990383
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:12 pm

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Something else.
People asked foxace why he voted amatuar here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3989636
I think foxace replaced chimera. Chimera claimed he had to vote anyone that voted him. So since amatuer voted
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3989403
Foxace likly had too.

I don't know if this was discussed or not in the parts of the thread i have not read but I figured I'd point it out if it wasn't
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:19 pm

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and thanks for telling foxace excatly what chimera's claim was :rollseyes:
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:24 pm

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theam, foxace knew. He referenced it before, just not directly.

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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:05 pm

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saulres wrote:And before it's suggested that ShadowGirl have Phil modkilled: I would agree, but only if it meant she lost her ability. Day-vig-ing is one thing, but taking away a player's opportunity to win or lose on their own merits just sucks. Especially someone who's put some effort into the game (which you have to admit Phil has, with 72 posts, even if many of them were pure fluff).

Do you mean you want me to use my ability on someone knowingly that I would in turn to lose it? Without even possibly killing him, at that. (I don't remember the exact parameters around his role.)

personally It'd be better if you killed the lurkers and inactives. Still, itd be better if you used your power today imo
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:21 pm

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ShadowGirl wrote:Do you mean you want me to use my ability on someone knowingly that I would in turn to lose it? Without even possibly killing him, at that. (I don't remember the exact parameters around his role.)


What I mean is, your role is just blatantly bastardly and unfair. It's not your fault, you were saddled with it, but I would hate for it to be used against anyone who's actively playing. Some of us put a lot of work into the game and to have the win or loss taken out of our hands entirely, with no recourse, is just wrong. I hate that the ability to give me (or anyone else) an auto-loss is in anyone's hands except the mod's, and even there, it should only be used for infractions. As part of a game? No thank you.

I can see where you read what you did from my post, I was trying to work it properly (like I tried to word this one properly, and I hope here I succeeded better). I was worried people would suggest you modkill Phil. And if you are actually thinking about using your ability again, I'd rather it be used in a way you can't get it back, because I hate it so very much. Again, if it were a normal daykill, no big deal. But player-controlled-modkill? Over the line.




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Gimmicky Alt wrote:It'd be better if you killed the lurkers and inactives


You mean like you? :wink:
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:24 pm

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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 pm

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Amrun wrote:You DID change your claim. You said yesterday that anyone who visits you would be vanillized, but then later, after pressure, you admitted that it had a mysterious "limiter." Then today, after pressure about how it fits in balance-wise, oh wait, you're 1-shot!


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Phillammon wrote:Ooh. Good point. I don't know what happens if scum target me, I will ask the mod. This role is a bit powerful,
but there is a power limiter on it that I will NOT be sharing
, for obvious reasons. I maintain that I am not a third party, still.


Phillammon wrote:I've revealed everything except my role name and my power inhibitor. I think that's fair. In any case, gnight. I've read up, will react tomorrow.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:55 pm

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RedPanda wrote:I'm tired of arguing against the phillammon lynch.

It also seems like I'm the only one here who thinks hes either town or thirdparty and not scum.

from the way hes been playing the game with his day 1 claim and fulldiroleclosure etc.. and how his role works I would assume more people would be able to see exactly what I'm seeing.


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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:57 pm

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Explain it to me then.

He's a survivor. Survivors are bad at LyLo. We have no confirmed scum, only players who seem scummy. Why is the one we
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:12 pm

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RedPanda wrote:
from the way hes been playing the game with his day 1 claim and fulldiroleclosure etc.. and how his role works
I would assume more people would be able to see exactly what I'm seeing.


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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:24 pm

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Your apology for your misunderstanding

Fair enough. I appreciate you taking the time to acknowledge you made a mistake. Would you say this is something that you do often when you make mistakes like that? Just curious.

PokerFace wrote:Can you explain why you said iceguy was scum here? I have a theory that you and iceguy could be scum buddies

Well then obviously if you think he's scum you must be seeing similar things to me, no?

He's very standoffish, which is so very different from the town-Iceguy from WnW. He's very... in the back. It's just strange. The fact he is not impacting me gives me a bad feel. Also, due to the fact that I find a lot of others town, he seems scummier due to PoE. It's not a read I'd bet my mother's life or anything, all of those were me quickly reading some of the ISOs and remembering what I'd seen and giving a quick read based on that.

PokerFace wrote:Do me a favor BBmolla. If you are town and only have 2 shots, do NOT use your recruit skill tonight.

I won't, for realzies.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:49 pm

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saulres wrote:Explain it to me then.

He's a survivor. Survivors are bad at LyLo. We have no confirmed scum, only players who seem scummy. Why is the one we
know
we don't want around not a good lynch choice?


if we keep lynching people who we don't want at lylo, scum will keep night killing people who they don't want at lylo.

In the end the game will be full of lurkers and scum.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:59 pm

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RedPanda wrote:
if we keep lynching people who we don't want at lylo, scum will keep night killing people who they don't want at lylo.

In the end the game will be full of lurkers and scum.


So the alternative is we lynch lurkers and scum night-kills people they don't want at lylo, leaving us with an end game of scum and people we don't want at lylo...?

We don't have confirmed scum... who should we be lynching if not "people who are scummy who we don't want in lylo"?
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:08 pm

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Hes definitely not scummy.

Everything about him screams third or town.

We lynch people who we think are scum not the one who seems like obvious third or town.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:31 pm

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What RedPanda said.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:49 pm

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He definitely IS scummy.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:01 pm

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I'm not gonna continue protesting my role, for now. What I'd like to find out: Shadowgirl- Is your role a targetted action, or a literal request to the mod?
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:02 am

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I don't really think Phil is scum

I'll explain why when I get the chance to later today

The people I was waiting for have commented and some of my reads have changed
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:58 am

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Phillammon wrote:I'm not gonna continue protesting my role, for now. What I'd like to find out: Shadowgirl- Is your role a targetted action, or a literal request to the mod?

It is a request to the mod. Which, in such a case, I believe it bypasses your passive ability.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:31 am

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Yes, I'd believe so. So if you guys are really that worried about me, I guess you could feasibly have me modkilled. If we judge by wording as written, it does indeed bypass my ability.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:32 am

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...why do you say passive ability? I don't have an active one, but still...

Does your role encompass something beyond omnipotence (as in, modkills). Say... omniscience?
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:35 am

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Phillammon wrote:I guess you could feasibly have me modkilled.


I want you dead, but I don't want you dead that way. I vote nay.

"Passive" means an ability you don't choose to use, it just happens. It's a fine way to describe your claimed ability ("anyone who visits me...")
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:37 am

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I'm aware, but the fact she specified makes me suspicious.
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