I can't win as town

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm stuck in a massive town losing streak. Due to the tigerpocalypse it's hard to tell how large exactly, but I think it's 6-8 town losses in a row. I just can't seem to figure out how to hunt for scum. I don't get lynched, because I've learned how play "townie" (hence my much higher scum win percentage), but I just can't find scum.

Right now I'm on a mafia break, and when I get back into a mafia game, I want my town game to be better than it is now. Is there any hope for me?

[Katsuki]

I think tigerpocalypse threw a ton of people off their game. Just give it time for now, and don't worry about it until after you get back.

[Junpei]

I think tigerpocalypse threw a ton of people off their game.

I think that's crap.

The best way I know how to scumhunt is to read each post and try to understand what the person is thinking, and finding any inconsistency you can. Ask all questions you find important, and ISOs are amazing as they let you chart someones' thought process over time.

Oh and don't forget to analyze everyone fully, as it's possible to make a case on most people in the game most of the time; and most people aren't scum.

Succinct and concise posting is important; don't post more than necessary: read over your post and cut out anything which is fluff or not what you need to say, and try to do as much with each post as possible while balancing that need with the need to be active and engaged.

Being able to know what to say and when to not say it is important, but even more important is to know that being too cryptic will mess you up a lot. A lot of people in this site like to be extra cryptic and secretive and they think that they are very good because of that, however for the most part you should be willing to speak your mind. Reads for the most part are fine to speak about, it's finer details about certain posts which you might keep to yourself.

Finally, win/loss record means nothing as this is a team game and most elements are out of your control. Study read accuracy, veracity of reasoning, and overall effectiveness of style in your past games if you are curious as to if you are doing poor or good.

Hope this helps, any questions you have feel free to ask (much like in a mafia game).

[kuribo]

Bub, for one, the last time I played with you and you were town, you kept pushing the idea of a no-lynch on Day 1, leading to your mislynch.

Here's a tip: THAT IS INCORRECT.

[Amrun]

Bub, for one, the last time I played with you and you were town, you kept pushing the idea of a no-lynch on Day 1, leading to your mislynch.

Here's a tip: THAT IS INCORRECT.

Have to agree here.

But try asking for play reviews, or hydraing with a player you respect.

[Kdub]

Honestly, it's probably just bad luck more than anything. An individual town player has much less influence on the game than an individual scum player. Even if you were the worst scumhunter in the world, you'd win a some games as town just by luck. Having a long losing streak as scum is much more indicative of bad scum play than a long losing streak as town is indicative of bad town play.

With that said, it's always a good idea to try to improve your game, regardless of the results.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Finally, win/loss record means nothing as this is a team game and most elements are out of your control. Study read accuracy, veracity of reasoning, and overall effectiveness of style in your past games if you are curious as to if you are doing poor or good.

Hope this helps, any questions you have feel free to ask (much like in a mafia game).

It does help, thanks. I'll try to look back at the accuracy of my reads in the future. Unfortunately I can't right now since all of my recent games sunk in internet hell.

Bub, for one, the last time I played with you and you were town, you kept pushing the idea of a no-lynch on Day 1, leading to your mislynch.

Here's a tip: THAT IS INCORRECT.

I can't remember ever doing that, but if I did it was ages ago.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you're avoiding getting lynched, then I very much doubt that it is your fault. It's at least somewhat hard to hurt the town's chances significantly if you manage to look town enough to avoid getting mislynched. So bad luck is probably the main cause of the streak.

[mykonian]

I'm stuck in a massive town losing streak. Due to the tigerpocalypse it's hard to tell how large exactly, but I think it's 6-8 town losses in a row. I just can't seem to figure out how to hunt for scum. I don't get lynched, because I've learned how play "townie" (hence my much higher scum win percentage), but I just can't find scum.

Right now I'm on a mafia break, and when I get back into a mafia game, I want my town game to be better than it is now. Is there any hope for me?

Try to take count of silly things that might catch scum. Find out at the end of the game which worked. Repeat.

And yes, there is hope for you. Becoming a good at hunting scum costs time.

[Bub Bidderskins]

If you're avoiding getting lynched, then I very much doubt that it is your fault. It's at least somewhat hard to hurt the town's chances significantly if you manage to look town enough to avoid getting mislynched. So bad luck is probably the main cause of the streak.

Well, I don't feel like I'm hurting the town so much as just being dead weight that gets drug into the end game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Actually if you are serious about why you can't find scum then go to some of your older games where you feel you didn't hunt scum.

Re-read with the full knowledge of the set-up. Note things that on re-read being clued in now seem scummy. Note things that you thought were scummy that were not. Compile lists.

Do this for as many games as you want. Compare your lists from each game. Look for commanalities in each list. Incorporate the list of 'scummy things you missed' into your future scum-hunting efforts. Try to reduce relying on "things I thought were scummy that weren't" in your scum-hunting.

And note that this improving scum-hunting is a constant process. Even if you feel you are great at it there is room for improvement.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, I don't feel like I'm hurting the town so much as just being dead weight that gets drug into the end game.

Actually that does hurt Town if you are not viewed as a threat by scum and can be brought along to endgame to either be mislynched or facilitate someone else's mislynch.

[theamatuer]

I keep losing. I don't think I have ever won a single game as scum OR town

[kuribo]

Bub, it wasn't ages ago, it was earlier this year.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub, it wasn't ages ago, it was earlier this year.

What game was that?

[kuribo]

It was modded by redFF:

day 1, you pushed no lynch, uberninja agreed. We thought you were scum because you should have known better, we lynched you

day 2, uber defended his actions, we all figured he was scum going for the easy buddy with you and lynched him

I forget everything between that and endgame. I remember endgame because I told slandaar that I wished I could shove him into a gas chamber at auschwitz. Then he and amrun counterclaimed one another in LYLO, And it turned out that they both were actual cops

[Bub Bidderskins]

The details on that are fuzzy, but I remember Uberninja was super-townie.

[Amrun]

It doesn't matter; that's a theoretically TERRIBLE move. And you were defending jilynne at the time. It really did have epic repercussions and was a big factor in losing the game (though not all of it, obviously). You actually had pretty good reads, but that move was so astrologically stupid that we could not believe it came from town that wasn't in his first game and continued to suspect UN after your death because of it etc. Not all the fault is on you, of course; there's plenty to go around. But you're asking for advice, and that's it: no lynch, day 1, BAD. Never do it.

[redFF]

Finally, win/loss record means nothing as this is a team game and most elements are out of your control. Study read accuracy, veracity of reasoning, and overall effectiveness of style in your past games if you are curious as to if you are doing poor or good.

Hope this helps, any questions you have feel free to ask (much like in a mafia game).

It does help, thanks. I'll try to look back at the accuracy of my reads in the future. Unfortunately I can't right now since all of my recent games sunk in internet hell.

Bub, for one, the last time I played with you and you were town, you kept pushing the idea of a no-lynch on Day 1, leading to your mislynch.

Here's a tip: THAT IS INCORRECT.

I can't remember ever doing that, but if I did it was ages ago.

it was in my mini in january.

[Benmage]

How would you act in a given scenario as scum.

Look for that when town.

[Bub Bidderskins]

It doesn't matter; that's a theoretically TERRIBLE move. And you were defending jilynne at the time. It really did have epic repercussions and was a big factor in losing the game (though not all of it, obviously). You actually had pretty good reads, but that move was so astrologically stupid that we could not believe it came from town that wasn't in his first game and continued to suspect UN after your death because of it etc. Not all the fault is on you, of course; there's plenty to go around. But you're asking for advice, and that's it: no lynch, day 1, BAD. Never do it.

Okay, I see that now. Now that I look at it, it seems better to lynch a scum suspect on D-1 that turns out to be town rather than nobody, because then the next day the mafia killed obv town and you're stuck in the same spot. Sweet, this thread is already improving my town game.

[Amrun]

It doesn't matter; that's a theoretically TERRIBLE move. And you were defending jilynne at the time. It really did have epic repercussions and was a big factor in losing the game (though not all of it, obviously). You actually had pretty good reads, but that move was so astrologically stupid that we could not believe it came from town that wasn't in his first game and continued to suspect UN after your death because of it etc. Not all the fault is on you, of course; there's plenty to go around. But you're asking for advice, and that's it: no lynch, day 1, BAD. Never do it.

Okay, I see that now. Now that I look at it, it seems better to lynch a scum suspect on D-1 that turns out to be town rather than nobody, because then the next day the mafia killed obv town and you're stuck in the same spot. Sweet, this thread is already improving my town game.

Yes, exactly. That's what we tried to tell you in the game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

How would you act in a given scenario as scum.

Look for that when town.

This actually is pretty bad advice.

[chamber]

How would you act in a given scenario as scum.

Look for that when town.

This actually is pretty bad advice.

Eh, its a bad goal, but a reasonable stepping stone.

[Faraday]

it'll help you read a certain type of player i think. it's a good way to start, at least.