Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[shos]

nonono, the two are unrelated to each other. on the one side, I was glad to see you think me as town. on the other side, I'm not glad, because you're ignoring my mountain-high pile of reasons to vote you.

[shos]

also mod, please prod Chiaro.

[Bolding requests please (rule 7), I may not always catch them otherwise. And chiarocicada has announced his VLA till monday, 72 hours have not yet elapsed since the end of the VLA.] - spring

[UberNinja]

nonono, the two are unrelated to each other. on the one side, I was glad to see you think me as town. on the other side, I'm not glad, because you're ignoring my mountain-high pile of reasons to vote you.

What would be the point to respond to it?

[Yosarian2]

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Is that actually your defense?

Yes, it fucking is.

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

"do you really think _________?"
"is that actually your defense?"
"are you actually saying that [insert something I JUST FUCKING SAID]?"

I'm pretty sick and tired of your

[omelette au fromage]

passive aggressive fluff, Yosarian.

|Edited] - spring

Lol.

If all I have to do is quote part of your post and ask a simple question to "make you look bad", UN, that probably means it's actually your posts that are making you look scummy, and that all I'm doing is pointing it out.

Yeah, instead of trying to come up with a response that is trying to divine the truth, you're sitting there trying to think of semi-witty stuff to say so people will think "oh yeah, me too!" and you can smugly sit back as you've thrown a gallon of oil on the fire and done literally nothing to help anything.

Eh, there wasn't any point in launching into a big stupid WIFOM debate about it now. I just wanted to highlight the absurdity of your defense there to make sure you get nailed to a wall about it after Quilford flips scum, no matter if I'm alive or not at that point.

It is pretty funny, though, that all I have to do is quote your defense there and everyone, even you, instantly realized how bad you sound there.

Here, let me do it again:

What does it benefit me to defend Quilford if he's my scumbuddy?

Lol.

[Nuwen]

fwiw, Uberninja has done enough scummy things independent of the Quilford/Elmo slot to merit a D1 cut. Scum-defending-scum, scum-defending-town, whatever. I'll flip it today, no questions asked. Any bussers are welcome to start composing their cases and hop along merrily into nightgame.

Well what do you want me to say about that?

If you say I'm scum for (A, B, C) reasons, and then I say you're town because of (X, Y, Z) reasons, and then I get lynched and flip town, people will know that my reasons were legit. That means my reads live on even after I die.

Whereas if I sit here and try to disprove your case on me (which is not gonna happen btw), people lose the "shos is town" among the garbage that would be me attacking your clearly well-thought-out read on me, and you defending it.

So I'm killing two birds with one stone: I'm giving my read on you based on your analysis of me, and I'm saving everyone else a lot of time.

Basically, his read on Shos reversed when Shos produced a town read on UN. "I can use you and a lot of people in this game want me dead right now, so I'll keep my allies close."

~~~

The bit of Hebrew flavor seems VERY relevant to what and how people claim eventually. That's all I'm saying.

[Yosarian2]

In fact, I should do this as a top 10 list.

Top Ten Things UberNinja have said that are so obviously scummy they i don't even need to explain why they are Suspicious:

1.

Guess who I picked out as the scumbag.

MOAR PARAMA VOTES

Less then 24 hour later, he flips to defending Parama to the point of saying stuff like:

If Parama ends up flipping town, I'll be on you like white on trailer parks.

2.

I am totally self-righteous because I know what I will flip and I'm not scared to die

3.

oh dear, if Vi and Yos are scum together.... oh d-d-d-dear dear

*Piglet's voice*

4.

analyze this, people. does this sound like scum to you?

I got a scumread on him, but I don't see that wagon going anywhere today
If it does pick up steam, I would jump on, because it has my support

I feel like he is flailing the same way shos did earlier in the game. Shos jumping onto your wagon, and then back off when it didn't build steam, has me questioning my read on you tbh.

for 100% truth, I'm town. if you're town, let's rip this game apart together

we can be like the bash brothers from mighty ducks, except not

5.

Zar, are you scum?

Nope.

(Ninja: just go read your ROLE PM closely, you'll notice my name is not listed among your night time buddies. xD)

tell me then
at exactly which post did RVS end?

Okay Parama, please tell me you're not implying that RVS is a well-defined and separate game stage?

Ok, you get to join me and furcolow as confirmed town

Let's do this

6.

Vi, the reason I'm not voting Parama is because Yos is doing the whole

"More people will side with me anyway, so I'll grasp at straws and/or bully this townie into looking scummy and then when all's said and done nobody will suspect me because my target clearly deserved it because look at our join dates lol"

dance.

7.

shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount

What was scummy there? Iirc I just asked wtf.
Uber and parama have already supplied their reasons for votirng me-parama thinks the whole saga was already out of RVS and uber either misread or misrepped me. But you and diddin im still waiting to hear from. Diddin just seems to be lurking behind his rvs vote and you-well answer the question above


Shitty Iphone posticng

Anybody else think he was [trying to garner sympathy, making excuses, etc] by insinuating he's on a mobile phone?

Anybody else think the "posticng" at the end seems just a little ... oh... FAKE? This is why I'm voting shos. This right here.

(I know i wasn't going to explain, but...voting someone on suspicion of fake posting from an iphone? Really?)

8.

If Quilford flips scum, kanye is his buddy.

9.

I'll be honest: before I made this post, I was like 100% convinced Zar was scum. As I went through the ISO and commented on everything though, I began to see that a lot of what he was saying could possibly come from a town mindset too... Even so, it's striking me as odd, and if I was a cop, he's who I'd inspect tonight -- no doubt about it.

10.

Yosarian has begun to look better but I can't shake the suspicion. I still want him lynched today or tomorrow.

Special bonus edition (because I couldn't narrow it down to just 10):

Why the hell do you keep asking rhetorical questions to try to make me look bad?

Oh and one more thing... just for Yos.

I'm town, I'm town, I'm town, I'm town, I'm town^∞...

[Vi]

@VI: what is the case against chiaro? I just went through thr whole thread and there really is nothing I could mark against him. I remember weakly certain stuff people said but I didn't agree with them. so if anyone can give me a case on him, I'll be glad to respond.

Chiarosicada has been largely passive and lurky up until now. All the scummy Townies can argue each other in a circle all Day long, and if the scum can skirt by along the side, so be it.

Spoiler: If I were that ten-shot daywig UberNinja would be one of the people I would leave alive.

shos, I'll trade you a kanye vote for your UberNinja vote.

[charter]

Try three.

Nuwen, your read on Chiaro?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Sorry I've been lacking as of late. Haven't felt good for just about 2 days.

Nice to see kayne has just been tunneling my slot the whole game and really no one has said much of anything about it...

Chiaro I'll be happy to move my vote after he comes back from V/LA and see what he does. I don't think putting a vote on him is going to do anything at least currently.

Uber - Yeah I don't know where to begin...

[Yosarian2]

Nice to see kayne has just been tunneling my slot the whole game and really no one has said much of anything about it...

No one's said anything about it? It was a pretty major point of discussion not long ago, ETA.

kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford. Okay, whatever. kanye has done nothing except attack Quilford

while the coast was clear

. Nothing else for anyone, and not even posting while other lynchees are being talked about.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

My fault. I've been off my game for a couple days dealing with headaches like no other and now my womans getting me sick -_-

[diddin]

replace me please

I've come to accept the fact that I don't have time to play mafia anymore. Sorry guys.

[shos]

Uber: I'm not replacing out, screw you. Just because I don't post walls very much doesn't mean I have to replace because I don't meet your standards.

replace me please

I've come to accept the fact that I don't have time to play mafia anymore. Sorry guys.

*facepalm*

is there anyone here who does not think that uberninja is scummy? I can count Vi as the only one?

@Vi: whaddya mean trade votes lol. I don't understand~

[Parama]

diddin, we could just lynch your slot, since it's scum.

but whatevers

[charter]

How do you get dddin as scum from his five posts all game?

[Parama]

I looked at 487 and saw scummalicious scum

[Zar]

I looked at 487 and saw scummalicious scum

Can you explain what you meant to say in 354, then?

chiaro is actually a good lynch, lots of fencesitting going on from that slot. shos first though

this is it.
diddin/chiaro

convincing enough

unvote, vote: chiaro

[Parama]

fos buddy vote townie

except shos is actually possibly scum maybe

idunnolol

[UberNinja]

If anything, 487 means diddin is more likely to be town.

I can't see the motivation for scum in his spot replacing out, not only because there's practically NO pressure on him for lurking, but because there's tons of possible mislynches and probably plenty to go around for two days or more.

However I can see a townie saying "yeahhh this isn't fun and this game is dragging on and we're probably gonna mislynch" and thinking it's probably for the best to replace out. This could be because he wants to figuratively wash his hands of a terrible mislynch, and/or because he feels like it'll be somewhat his fault if town loses, due to him being exactly worthless so far.

Additionally, a townie would be more likely to realize he was wrong and do what it took for the betterment of the game, whereas a scum would be hopping up and down in excitement at how well his plan was working. The plan to do nothing and still not get lynched, that is.

tl;dr: You're totally wrong, Parama. And then there's what Zar pointed out too...

[Zar]

Any words on UN's relationship to the Quilford/Elmo slot?

I am a dissuaded of thinking they could be scum together, mostly based on these two posts:

If your slot isn't town I'm going to fucking murder you. Do something goddamn useful.

Kanye has no reason to diligently tunnel on the Quilford slot as scum, with so much other fucking fodder in this game. I read his convinction as stronk and value the support behind my top wagon.

The replacement has done nothing to alleviate my scum read on it, especially after voting for Kanye.

At this point in the game, scum really have no choice but to attack their attackers.

So do you want me to go after you as well as Kayne? I italicized about your "scum read" on my slot (Quils replacement)
It seemed you voted Quil on a case that he flip flopped like John Kerry and replaced out under pressure. Looking at your reasons they're not half bad but for the wrong reasons. Right now your tunneling on me is quite laughable. What I don't get is you want more votes because this wagon is stalling. I attack Kayne and Vi joins almost instantly to vote him as well. Really I don't have a good read on you and Uber is probscum along with Kayne. But thats a reach there.

You just said a few posts ago that I'm chainsawing. That term only applies when both are scum, if I'm not mistaken.

If I'm probscum, why are you not voting me? Who are the scum in the game, only the people attacking you?

I don't think either of these two posts is likely to come from a partner.

[springlullaby]

Katsuki replaces diddin. Effective immediately.

[kanyeknowsbest]

oh thank fuck katsuki youd better fucking be town

[kanyeknowsbest]

so shos is probably town but i cringe at the thought of him being in lylo.
chiar wagon is... okay. i can see the argument for him and im not really against lynching him but i still want to lynch the obvscum instead.

[Chiarosicada]

springlullaby: please replace me

. I'm really sorry for having to ask, but it's been really busy lately and it's only going to get worse with final exams next week. I feel bad because I wanted to complete my first non-newbie game, but just don't have the time to commit to it. If you ever need a replacement between the end of next week and July, please let me know and I'll be glad to replace in.

This will probably be my last post, though I'll see if I can post more before my replacement comes.

Reads:

Furcolow - Solid town to me; his thought process regarding is UberNinja very similar to mine without me having explicitly expressed it.
shos - Leans town. I just don't see scum trying that hard and reacting to the early wagon on him in that way.
UberNinja - Leaning town. I thought he was scummy at first but he strikes me as honest especially in reaction to my attack on his backing off the shos wagon.

Yosarian2 - Null, leaning town.
Nuwen - Not sure, needs to post more.
charter - Not sure.

diddin

Katsuki - Not sure.
Vi - Null, leaning scum.

kanyeknowsbest - Needs to post more doesn't seem to be putting much effort into the game and seems too willing to join any wagon. Scummy.

Fate

Zar - I don't like his cases on either me or UberNinja, seems to be tunneling hard and looking for evidence to justify his conclusions rather than the other way around. Scummy.

Quilford

Elmo TeH AzN - Leaning scum, mostly for the emotional reaction to the wagon on him and his subsequent asking to be replaced.
Parama - Scum.

I'm not sure how much a Parama, kanye, Zar, and Elmo scumteam looks to me (statistically unlikely in a 13p) but I think looking for associative tells on day 1 isn't very useful anyway. I would be willing to lynch any of them at this point. If I find time to stay in the game I'll take a fresh look at the five players in my "null" list.

[Chiarosicada]

Quilford

Elmo TeH AzN - Leaning scum, mostly for the emotional reaction to the wagon on him and his subsequent asking to be replaced.

Forgot to mention that this is purely regardly Quilford, not Elmo. I haven't read the game thoroughly since Elmo replaced him.