iStark wrote: My misguided/framed results from N2 of ''tracked player X doing nothing'' did me in.
I’m putting this up front to highlight how his claims of beign redirected / messed with make no sense.
In my results PMs I receive flavor detailing my ‘thoughts’ and actions of the Night. In the flavor the name of my target is specifically mentioned … ie Night 2 it said I was observing the doorway of Rban.
If iStark was redirected the new name should show up in his flavor PM not his original target IMO. So him being redirected is out.
As to being tampered with – I suppose there could be a variant role that ‘messes’ with Tracker results but I have never seen one in use. The only time I have seen Tailors / Framers they have only messed with alignment investigations.
So iStark’s claims that his busted N2 action claim was caused by outside interference doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
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Rainbow wrote: Can somepony tabulate all results though so far by everypony who has claimed each night?
Someone who has been around the full game should probably be in charge of this for accuracy purposes.
My slot’s actions –
N1 – No action (damn you Lopsy)
N2 – Follow Rban – he used no ability. I think this is important for balancing later. Rban was a good so it doesn’t make sense for him not to make the kill as such unless his partners are either Non-active powers (like Godfather / Ninja) or scum are allowed to both Kill and use an active ability at the same time.
N3 – Follow Feirei – he used no ability.
I also confirmed with the Mod overnight that the Mafia Nightkill action is an ability that would show up to my role.
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Feirei wrote: Not surprised at the guilty on iStark. His reaction is scummy.
Remind me again – what was your read on iStark before he was caught?
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iStark wrote:There is difference between what you did and what I did in Om case, you casted doubt when he was confirmed and accused of him by using WIFOM argument like ''No one actually stopped the game since mod committed mistake?''
You apparently don’t have a grasp on game balancing so let me lay something out for you.
A set-up is balanced with the roles as put together in mind.
The Mod accidently confiming not one but two living players as Town via a mistake effectively adds two Innocent Children to the set-up which is a pretty large swing in the set-up.
If, upon replacing into a thread, someone told you “Hey – Amrun and I were confirmed Town by Mod mistake” would you not consider that a very unusual event that warranted questioning.
As it stands I don’t think that actually occurred upon review of the actual Mod input which I was able to do last Night.
But your attempts to call that undermining are noted (as funny).
iStark wrote:I'm doubting him since his behavior right now is that of scum or short sighted town.
But you were just calling him confirmed Town I was ‘trying to undermine’. How could he possibly be scum? If he is scum I would not be trying to undermine him as Town would I? Your logic makes no sense when looked at objectively.
iStark wrote:Yes, really. I said there isn't room for both of this roles in this game as there are to many PR's and that tilt's balance greatly in Towns favor. Hence me believing you're lying.
Well which is it? Have I counter-claimed you definitively since you agree our roles don’t make sense as both Town in the set-up? Or has nothing definitively countered your claim?
iStark wrote:I already answered this even before you asking. It's pro-scum move to make most of his partner's buss.
And if we lynch another town PR today then with 2 scum's remaining + one Miller claim+One claimed Cop and knowing your ability to turn anything into valid argument could easily make odds in your favor.
So, my flip as town wouldn't do you much damage on the other hand town losing one more almost confirmed(According to most) PR would damage town's great deal. As my result's would come under scrutiny & spread confusion.
You dodged my question – what point is there for me as scum to bus my hypo-partner Rban while at the same time counter-claiming you if you were Town. Because even with RBan flipping scum you then flipping Town means I am assured to be the lynch the next day. It makes no logical sense for me to coutner-claim you and push my partner if you are Town.
You keep spinning these ‘I’m Town’ scenarios that don’t make any logical sense. What makes more logical sense is your being scum who was soft-bussing your partner who made a bad fake-action choice not thinking I was a PowerRole and who had it explode in his face.
iStark wrote: I never tracked Rban down, I tracked Lopsy (Your player slot) on N2 and that's what you based your argument about me being scum.
That’s the exact point. You keep claiming Rban would be the obvious choice for an investigation from Town. And in the same breathe claiming you were Town who didn’t track Rban. Your behavior doesn’t match your claim.
iStark wrote: If you lynch me today you lose one PR and if Om is town PR being redirected you will lose other PR tomorrow.
Pure ‘Appeal to Fear’ – if you lynch me you lose a PowerRole. Are you suggesting we don’t lynch a Powerrole who is caught scum just because you are a Powerrole when being a Tracker in no way means you are Town?
iStark wrote: This makes me wonder as to why Om got his results earlier then me. but this is WIFOM argument and shouldn't be used to heavily.
So I wont pursue it.
And here’s another example of you softly throwing suspicion on OM … you state something that is suspect but then state it is WIFOM so you will not pursue.
For the record I got my results right after Day opened so if anyone is lying it’s you.
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Luckyjt wrote: I doubt there is more than 4 mafia and 2 risking themselves like this is not likely considering we still have quite a lot of players alive.
I’d like you to elaborate on why you think we have even more than 3 Mafia. That I’d very much like to hear.
