Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[UberNinja]

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

So, this is essentially a giant paragraph of fluff essentially asking what kanye already asked me earlier this page, and with added "threats" if I answer this post with what I've already answered kanye with...

Oh hey what about that giant post of yours declaring diddin slot as town for replacing out as well hmm?

I am saying that if you sit there and willfully do nothing based on someone's town read on you, then that person's town read is going to flip back and bite you in the ass when it becomes a scum read.

Also, hi how are ya

[shos]

@ninja,
you look like all those big companies trying to fill you up with papers since they know they're wrong, so they try to tire you out.
in the post you gave me about kanye - last two quotes are completely irrelevant; there is no case there, they just say that you think kanye is scum. the first - that's terrible reasoning for a lynch in my opinion. too little too late. the second - the only reference to kanye is 'we have a good-to-great wagon on kanye'.

in other words, you have no case, you're full of omlettes.
want to see how a case looks like, check out my case on you, lol.

You're missing the part where cases are required to lynch scummy people.
You of all people should realize that from Page 1.

On the other hand; you have made a case on me, Yos has made a case on me... and yet I'm still alive.

that's exactly my point. you don't have a case on kanye. therefore your required item to lynch scummy kanye does not exist, you're just blabbering.

also, people have a case on you, yes. but you do such an amazing job redirecting attention that others just don't read those cases.

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

no, I am not protecting kanye here. in case you didn't see, I PROVIDED a case against him. so yes I want him lynched. BUT, what I'm doing here is discreditting you; presenting the bullcrap you give the world in shiny light for everyone to see.

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum :/

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

bolded

: oh boy, wasn't he your scumread? oh but you didn't have a case on him...true dat..so you change your mind. obviously.

Italicized

: agreed.


I swear to fuck this is what everyone seems to be saying in this game...

[shos]

oh man, tags screwed up. the quote tages were supposed to end before ther BOLDED and start again before the I SWEAR.

now my comment about the I swer to fuck, lol:
???

I havn't finished reading, I submitted mby mistake

[shos]

ah well nothing to add anyways.

I want people's opinions about Uberninja.

Day 1 votecount 9

(4) UberNinja :

shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar,

(2) kanyeknowsbest

: Vi, UberNinja,

(2) Nuwen :

charter, Elmo teh AzN,

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest,

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist ,

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama,

(1) shos :

Katsuki,

(1) Vi :

Furcolow,

Not voting (0):

<3

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Vi already gave my his opinion. I want elmo, charter, kanye, chemist, parama, katsuki, and furcolow's opinions.

and for WHATVER YOU BELIEVE IN's sake, stop lurking

[shos]

just ISOed parma to see his posts from that post till now - they were only one-liners-style posts, nothing serious. so I didn't miss anything~

I would definitely say you missed something.

oh I forgot, what did I miss?

[Vi]

The way I see it, Day one is for information gathering. The shortest the day is, the least interactions there will be. This benefits the scum because they can get the night through with a low informative kill. And basically, we're left in a very similar position to the one we started on Day One if such thing happens.

Let me come back to this.

In the meantime, I think we're getting to a point where this Day is becoming a waste of time.

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The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I'm pretty sure this isn't how it works, although you got the important caveat in that stabbing friends in the back for being Traitors is commonplace with these mottos.

Lynch who you think is scummy and darn who's on the wagon.

To answer your other question, I'm more the type of person who would join a bloc until I decided I wanted off. Which defeats the purpose.

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IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum : /

I'd love to hear this one.

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oh I forgot, what did I miss

[in Parama's posts in isolation]

?

The fact that if you don't see any content in their iso, especially relative to the number of posts, that that's what people call "scummy".

[charter]

So, I'm going to assume that since Yosarian was the only one who said he thought Nuwen was town, that the rest of you think she is scum.

Let's get with the lynching.

[Yosarian2]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

If there's nothing he's done all game that's pro-town, then why are you treating him like confirmed town? Why have you been defending him so hard and trying to get him into your "alliance"?

I tend to think that "X has done nothing town all day" is pretty much the single most damning scumtell that there is; but even if you didn't think that, even if you think he's just null and unreadable, it still doesn't explain your behavior today.

Lol so why didn't you push on diddin's slot then, you [shitty french food] hypocrite?

You're slipping dude.

Note to everyone: UnberNinja refuses to answer a simple question. I asked him why he was defending Elmo so hard, if even he doesn't think Elmo's "done anything town", and he tries to change the subject over to diddin. Also note that he tries to continue the alliance with Elmo again in his very next post.

To answer your question, diddin was a lurker, in that he didn't post much before he replaced out and i might have voted for him if I didn't have a better suspect. Of course, in this game, I had several who were much scummier. Lynching lurkers is fine, but lynching scum is clearly better. And there is a difference between "someone who doens't post much" and "someone who posts but doesn't say anything". The second (Elmo) is much scummier then the first.

[Yosarian2]

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Sure, if you're scum.

If you're town, though, you don't want to lynch people just because they're trying to lynch you, and you don't want to befriend people just because they're not trying to lynch you. If you're town, you're supposed to lynch scum and defend town.

You're not playing like town here, un.

[springlullaby]

Day 1 votecount 10

(4) UberNinja :

shos, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar,

(2) kanyeknowsbest

: Vi, UberNinja,

(2) Nuwen :

charter, Elmo teh AzN,

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest,

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist ,

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama,

(1) shos :

Katsuki,

Not voting (1):

Furcolow,

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

[Zar]

I still think the Chiaro slot (replacement included) fits the profile of low activity scum.

As for Furcolow, I don't understand what this general positive impression is based on. Is it the aggressive tone? Can someone give be the basis of their Furcolow town read?

[Parama]

I still think the Chiaro slot (replacement included) fits the profile of low activity scum.

Then vote it? :/

[Nuwen]

Votes are spread too thin, which is why none of the wagons are pushing forward. I assume this means at least two of the big wagons are on scum. One week to deadline: Kill UN and Shos.

Charter, I really give no fucks. Stop being a useless sack of derp.

[Nuwen]

And by Shos I mean Elmo. The one with the face.

[UberNinja]

that's exactly my point. you don't have a case on kanye. therefore your required item to lynch scummy kanye does not exist, you're just blabbering.

also, people have a case on you, yes. but you do such an amazing job redirecting attention that others just don't read those cases.

If there are votes going down on kanye, and other people recognize he's scummy too, then how is it "just blabbering"? If I skip the case-making part because I assume other people are seeing the same things I am (and they are), then how is it "just blabbering"? Did you see kanye ever make a case on Quilford? Did you see Nuwen ever do anything except tunnel on one or two slots and be generally useless? Then we've got Elmo, diddin and Katsuki: the very definition of useless.
With that said, I'm not too jazzed about a kanye lynch any more, so

Unvote

.

How do you know people haven't read the cases on me? Do you really think people who play mafia for a living (lol) would be dumb enough to completely ignore cases on scummy people just because the scummy person is also making posts? You're assuming a couple of things that just don't work in practice, namely that a) people have to make airtight cases to lynch scum (which is wrong because not too many things in mafia are black and white, which is why it requires some level of skill and strategy to play), and also b) that if a person with a case made against them is posting at all, that everyone will ignore the case. Which is simply not true.

Maybe they did read your case. Maybe they did read Yos' case. Maybe they just decided the cases weren't good, or determined independently that I'm town regardless of the cases made against me. Just because a case is made against someone doesn't make them scum. Duh.

Your attitude and insistence upon proper "case decorum" makes me think you're town, however.

be noted, by the way, that in the posts where I post my case on you, kanye is my other scum candidate, so even while I *do* have a reason to want a kanye lynch, your post is bad to me. you're much much worse than him.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You're saying "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy"

I think you have had too much vodka broseph

no, I am not protecting kanye here. in case you didn't see, I PROVIDED a case against him. so yes I want him lynched. BUT, what I'm doing here is discreditting you; presenting the bullcrap you give the world in shiny light for everyone to see.

Let me see if I understand: You want me lynched, and you independently want kanye lynched. And you think we're scum together because I have not provided a case on him but I was voting him anyway? Because that's literally the only thing that makes sense.

Everybody can see "the bullcrap I give the world" anyway, I'm not trying to hide things I say. You think you're doing everyone a big favor with your "shiny light", but it's really just a exercise in futility. Redundantly pointing out the obvious (i.e. all your case and Yos's case did) isn't exactly helpful. See my reply above to why people could be choosing not to respond to your cases.

I agree, kanye has been looking much townier of late.

I also want Katsuki to stop being useless and step up to the microphone. It's karaoke night and everyone has already sung except you.
Tell us what you think about what. Not thinking anything about anything, or alternately, thinking nothing, is no excuse for being no use.

I mean you are replacing diddin for fucks sake. He didn't do anything, and now you're being exactly as useless as he was being. But neither you nor diddin emanate dumbtown vibes like Elmo/Quil, or pure flat out stupidity like Nuwen, so I give exactly ZERO fucks about whether or not you "feel" like playing or not.

IMO kayne is town. His latest postings been good although I'm not scum :/

I swear to fuck this is what everyone seems to be saying in this game...

I will personally end your sorry mafia life if you don't do something.
And that's not an idle boast. Hint hint.

bolded

: oh boy, wasn't he your scumread? oh but you didn't have a case on him...true dat..so you change your mind. obviously.

Italicized

: agreed.

Yeah he was, but he's been acting townier. It's not bad to reverse your read on someone when presented with new information.

[UberNinja]

No. Just, no.

You don't agree with me that Elmo's done nothing pro-town since he replaced in?

Ok, UN, I'm curious. Quote me one post that Elmo has made at any point in the game that looks pro-town, and isn't just filler or him voting someone for voting him. Any post.

There is almost literally nothing Elmo has done that is pro-town.

That doesn't mean he is scum. That means he's terrible.

Lynching terrible players instead of scum is how town loses.

If there's nothing he's done all game that's pro-town, then why are you treating him like confirmed town? Why have you been defending him so hard and trying to get him into your "alliance"?

I tend to think that "X has done nothing town all day" is pretty much the single most damning scumtell that there is; but even if you didn't think that, even if you think he's just null and unreadable, it still doesn't explain your behavior today.

Lol so why didn't you push on diddin's slot then, you [shitty french food] hypocrite?

You're slipping dude.

Note to everyone: UnberNinja refuses to answer a simple question. I asked him why he was defending Elmo so hard, if even he doesn't think Elmo's "done anything town", and he tries to change the subject over to diddin. Also note that he tries to continue the alliance with Elmo again in his very next post.

To answer your question, diddin was a lurker, in that he didn't post much before he replaced out and i might have voted for him if I didn't have a better suspect. Of course, in this game, I had several who were much scummier. Lynching lurkers is fine, but lynching scum is clearly better. And there is a difference between "someone who doens't post much" and "someone who posts but doesn't say anything". The second (Elmo) is much scummier then the first.

I think he's town because gut.

[shos]

@685 remind me tomorrow.
@688 - I don't understand, are you trying to get me lynched, or elmo? O_o
@689:

If there are votes going down on kanye, and other people recognize he's scummy too, then how is it "just blabbering"? If I skip the case-making part because I assume other people are seeing the same things I am (and they are), then how is it "just blabbering"? Did you see kanye ever make a case on Quilford? Did you see Nuwen ever do anything except tunnel on one or two slots and be generally useless? Then we've got Elmo, diddin and Katsuki: the very definition of useless.
With that said, I'm not too jazzed about a kanye lynch any more, so Unvote.

don't you understand? you're just bandwagoning. you just foolproofed my accusation. your reason to vote is that kanye already has votes. you literally had no reason to vote kanye earlier, and yet, you did. you're not acting as a town. what do you mean *skip* the case-making? who gives an ommlette about what others see? if you see kanye doing scummy things, POINT THEM OUT. but you don't. you just claim to have seen. I don't care if kanye made a case on quilford; I think he's scum too and have a case on him as well. about nuwen - yes, I did. hence my town read on him(

that is, for someone who asked earlier, btw

). and the other lurkers - irrelevant. completely. I'm not lynching you cuz you're useless, I'm lynching you cuz you act like you're the most obvscum evah. and that unvote of yours - boy, am I an oracle or something, having predicted that? me so awesome!

How do you know people haven't read the cases on me? Do you really think people who play mafia for a living (lol) would be dumb enough to completely ignore cases on scummy people just because the scummy person is also making posts? You're assuming a couple of things that just don't work in practice, namely that a) people have to make airtight cases to lynch scum (which is wrong because not too many things in mafia are black and white, which is why it requires some level of skill and strategy to play), and also b) that if a person with a case made against them is posting at all, that everyone will ignore the case. Which is simply not true.

I don't know that. but people just haven't responded. not confirmed thoughts nor protest against. I don't think they ignored, but maybe they skimmed, or just didn't take the time to respond. that's why I ask them for answers. I am not assuming anything here; about your (a), that is not an assumption, that is a method of gameplay. when I am town, I only vote people I have a reason to suspect. you don't seem to be doing that lately. seems like you try to lynch whoever it is cool to be against~
about your (b), that is not what I said. I said that you were very good in distracting, that's all. can you link me to a town game of yours, btw?

Maybe they did read your case. Maybe they did read Yos' case. Maybe they just decided the cases weren't good, or determined independently that I'm town regardless of the cases made against me. Just because a case is made against someone doesn't make them scum. Duh.

that is why I'm waiting for THEIR answers. in my eyes, you're scum. in their eyes - who knows. so far you are the leading wagon; and with my case on you, which seems to just be growing when we talk, I'm pretty sure we'll nail you this day.

Your attitude and insistence upon proper "case decorum" makes me think you're town, however.

ooh didn't you just say people don't have to have airtight cases to lynch or something?..anyway this looks to me again, like uberninja uberbuddying attempt.

about the next part of your post - I think you both are scum independently. the fact that you vote him without having a case makes me think you're scum. kanye is unrelated to this.

what shiny light are you talking about? yes everyone can see your bull; but what I'm trying to do is make them ignore your bull and see the real scumslips/scumtells/whatever.


and you reversed your kanye vote now. since post 636 what has kanye done to make you reverse your read? ISO him now. all he did was ask you about your alliance shit, and these.

hey kats whos scum.

what do you think about my heartthrob, elmo~

so really, what's changed? your mood?

[Katsuki]

shos mind fixing that broken post of yours? Thanks

(repost it with right tags)

[shos]

UN quoted it right in 689.

[charter]

If anyone is calling someone else out for "posting but not saying anything" then Katsuki is the uncontested champion of this.

Right now, I'm thinking at least two scum in Nuwen/Pirate/Katsuki.

[Vi]

I'm getting the impression that I'm not going to like any lynch we make Today. I'm not sure what to do tbh.

VOTE FOR RENT

[Furcolow]

vote: katsuki

for being a negative nancy

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I'm going to give this another read hopefully tonight

[UberNinja]

Unfortunately I have weak town reads on both Katsuki and Nuwen.
I have strong-ish town reads on charter, furcolow, Elmo, and shos.
Parama did what I think is a town tell, so I don't want to lynch him.
kanye has been acting townier of late so I don't want to lynch him.
This leaves Yos, Zar, Vi, and Pirate Chemist. Don't wanna lynch Vi.
Zar gives me the heebie jeebies, & Pirate Chemist has been scarce.
I will lynch either of those two, but my preferred lynch is Yosarian.
So I'll take my own vote and Vi's vote and

Doublevote: Yosarian

[UberNinja]

Day 1 votecount 11 (fake)

(4) UberNinja :

shos

, Nuwen, Yosarian2, Zar

(2) Yosarian2 :

UberNinja

,

Vi

(2) Nuwen :

charter

,

Elmo teh AzN

(1) Elmo TeH AzN :

kanyeknowsbest

(1) Parama :

Pirate Chemist

(1) Pirate Chemist :

Parama

(1) shos :

Katsuki

(1) Katsuki :

Furcolow

Not voting (0):

With 13 players, 7 votes are required to lynch.

Light Blue is

Alliance

.
Blue is

Invited Alliance

/ players with alliance-proxied votes (I'm counting Vi's proxy vote )

Let's consolidate.

- Furcolow, I like the gumption to vote Katsuki but I have a small town read + I'd rather give a little more chance to contribute.
- I don't expect shos to switch from my wagon, but he's still invited to the Alliance when he sees the light.
- charter and Elmo, I much prefer Yos, + I have a feeling Nuwen is just stupid, not scum. No offense. At least, not too much intended.
- kanye, you are invited too. If you want to join, please vote Yos with us.

Nuwen feels like a compromise lynch. I don't really suspect her.
Katsuki feels like a compromise lynch so we can get rid of a lurkslot.

Zar legitimately raises my hackles and Vi I can't read for shit yet.

But Yos seems to be the best bet. Vote Yos 2012