D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[drmyshotgun]

Oh, nvm, its just non-mafia forums.

[Slandaar]

Drmyshotgun

do you have thoughts on anything?

[drmyshotgun]

Like for example?

At the moment, I'm happy to be on whatever bandwagon is the most popular. Although there

will

be scums on those wagons (whoever's it may be), I'm sure Town is generally agreeing on their guilt.

Oh on another note. I have a thought on your avatar. Its quite creepy.

[Slandaar]

Tell me

What was the point in asking for time to read the thread if you had no intention of reading it and planned to just vote big wagons?

[drmyshotgun]

Mmm...Trying to be polite? But when there was no time and the day was about to end, I kinda missed my chance to catch up.
Yeah the night was long but I forgot about this game.
My bad.

[Kdub]

When is the deadline?

[DeathNote]

~Deadline is May 11th. That doesn't mean you have to wait that long to lynch though so get going!!!~

~Due to a last minute hinderance, GreyIce will be unable to replace into this game. Still searching for replacement for Andrius.~

[brizingre1]

/prod recieved
my apologies, really busy right now, will catch up soon.

[Nero Cain]

can everyone explain their hascow town read to me? (and without the use of Malee was town so has is town)

[MagnaofIllusion]

Wait MoI. Are there two scum teams or was SD an SK?

Why do you keep pointlessly asking the same question over and over?

It’s been answered for you already.

No follow-up to your question about Nexus / Cow / Shotgun reads?

And what are YOUR reads on those players?

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where does it say Shadow was non-blaster, non-force killer? Did I miss it?

I don’t know – did you put no effort into analyzing the Nightkills?

Syndrome was blastered. No-one else was. There is no way scum could stop every Blaster vote so unless you think I am lying about re-directing the blaters and that scum somehow protected the actual Town Blaster target via Doc then that kill is clearly accounted for.

So that leaves Ooba and Shadow. Shadow didn’t kill himself. Thus ooba’s death flavor most likely comes from Shadow (or his faction if you don’t think he’s a SK). I don’t think “fell in a hole” is a Force-based kill method. Do you?

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Split’s Post 1035 is pure OMGUS. Happy with my vote as it stands.

It seems to me that MoI was implying that he suddenly thought ooba was town because of meta reasons after thinking he was scum for meta reasons.

Or the correct interpretation is that I was questioning to see if you had played with ooba before. Since if you had any experience with both Town and Scum ooba you would know easily what to look for.

What gets me is the constant referrals to meta instead of the actual content of ooba's posts. Contrast that with what he's said about other players, where he specifically addresses their content and posts, or lack thereof.

What gets you? The fact that he is easily able to be read on meta alone? Are you trying to assert that is it isn’t valid to determine someone’s alignment via meta if it is strong evidence? Please be clear about your assertion.

Bolding mine. MoI deliberately leaves his own name out of the list of "the pool of scum." While still relying on his "meta" read of ooba. Which was either proven wrong, or stretched to fit MoI's purposes because he's ooba's scumbuddy. In other words, MoI directs other players to "note" a list of names that he subtly left his own name off of.

Speaking of stetching …

1. How was my meta read on ooba (calling him scummy for lack of activity) proven wrong? That’s clearly an untrue assertion on your part.
2. Is your assessment I should include myself on a list of scum? That’s comically stupid. I know I’m Town. I’m not going to scum-hunt myself.

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Not exactly, your scumhunting was unreasonably biased, you clearly did not care what I said, you were not scumhunting you were pushing mislynches.

Bullshit.

I want to check something, If you do not wish me to check said thing, my read wont change therefore its in your interests as both scum and town to give me links. The only way my read on you will change at this point is via meta.

1. How are you unable to check it yourself. Are you incapable of using the features I directed to you on your own?
2. I don’t give a crap about your read. Is that not clear? Keep it if you want. Your Mod-confirmed status doesn’t mean I’m going to bother ‘sucking up’ to you. That’s what scum will be doing. You actually are reminding me a bit of Fate here – scum will certainly want to keep you alive as long as you are pointed in the wrong direction as your Mod-confirmed status will allow you to push mislynches more effectively than scum.

I want to understand why you voted Split over Nexus, why not vote Nexus the leading wagon, seems important to have an opinion on said player if you were town.

Um, whut? Did you not read the reason I have for my Split vote?

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can everyone explain their hascow town read to me? (and without the use of Malee was town so has is town)

Why again can’t a Town read on Malee be a valid reason for a Town read on Cow?

[Nero Cain]

can everyone explain their hascow town read to me? (and without the use of Malee was town so has is town)

Why again can’t a Town read on Malee be a valid reason for a Town read on Cow?

That Malee town read musta been pretty week since you threatened the slot with blasterfire. I don't see anything pro-town in Cow's posting and if you don't find anything pro-town perhaps you should re-examine your read.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That Malee town read musta been pretty week since you threatened the slot with blasterfire. I don't see anything pro-town in Cow's posting and if you don't find anything pro-town perhaps you should re-examine your read.

Are you talking about Sleepy? Poking him to get action via Blaster fire in an effort to get 'effort' from his terrible-self is hardly expressing "suspicion".

Please indicate where I say I don't see Cow's play as Pro-Town again.

[WrathChild]

1 (RE: Shotgun): Shotgun, are you even trying to play mafia or are you just here from the free cookies? Can we please blaster him?
2 (RE: Cow): Obviously I had my issues with him yesterday and he hasn't really done much to improve his stance in my book. Yesterday he fencesat on SD and gave town pants to my top scum read for today. What really reads as distancing to me is this:

"I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous."

Why even mention SD at that point? He had no votes and was under zero discussion at the time. Of all the things that had happened since Cow replaced in, how does this rate as a notable subject? Nero actually pointed out that Cow omitted SD from his suspicious pile despite saying that he would vote him. He also goes along with the two scum team assumption Day 1 before it was revealed as a possibility. And here, he continues to push the two scum-team concept despite there being a possibility of one of them being an SK. I would put a vote on a cow wagon.

3 (RE: MoI): The reason I asked again is that I feel that the SD=SK thing is BS. Why is SD an SK and not Ooba? Why did you come in Day 2 so convinced there were two scum teams? Why did you spend a lot of Day 1 attacking people based on the idea that there were two scum teams? Why all of a sudden are you convinced one of the scums that were killed last night was an SK? Also, please explain why an SK would WIFOM the town in a bah post.

4 (@MoI's #1059): I didn't have time to follow up on Friday, but the reason I asked for those reads was because they were suspicious in my book. I find it weird that you have no read on the day's vote leader. You vote split for lurking but not Nexus. You say Cow is town, Cow says you're town, noted. On that note it also bothers me that you are set-up speculating based on force powers which seems fruitless and pointless confusion. I do agree with you on Shotgun though. I've secretly put a sign on his back that says, "Blaster Me".

[Nero Cain]

That Malee town read musta been pretty week since you threatened the slot with blasterfire. I don't see anything pro-town in Cow's posting and if you don't find anything pro-town perhaps you should re-examine your read.

Are you talking about Sleepy? Poking him to get action via Blaster fire in an effort to get 'effort' from his terrible-self is hardly expressing "suspicion".

Please indicate where I say I don't see Cow's play as Pro-Town again.

Fair enough. Though I don't really see the point in trying to get effort from a slot that you feel is town.

I don't think you've ever commented on Cow's play and I never said you said that. So I guess I'll ask you now.

What do you think of Hascows play?

[MagnaofIllusion]

3 (RE: MoI): The reason I asked again is that I feel that the SD=SK thing is BS. Why is SD an SK and not Ooba? Why did you come in Day 2 so convinced there were two scum teams? Why did you spend a lot of Day 1 attacking people based on the idea that there were two scum teams? Why all of a sudden are you convinced one of the scums that were killed last night was an SK? Also, please explain why an SK would WIFOM the town in a bah post.

Can you provide your reasons why Shadow as SK is bullshit? Just saying that isn’t good enough Wrath – you need reasons.

I didn’t ‘come into Day 2 strongly thinking we had 2 scum teams’, I saw two non-Town colors when I skimmed the flips and voted accordingly. After others pointed out the differentiation between Shadow and Ooba’s flips I reviewed the Mod post and judged accordingly.

Please explain why a Serial Killer would NOT WIFOM to screw with Town.

Please explain how your behavior being so absolutely worried about being tied to a player deemed scummy doesn’t look like scum who knows we are in Multiscum before any flips are made.

4 (@MoI's #1059): I didn't have time to follow up on Friday, but the reason I asked for those reads was because they were suspicious in my book. I find it weird that you have no read on the day's vote leader. You vote split for lurking but not Nexus. You say Cow is town, Cow says you're town, noted. On that note it also bothers me that you are set-up speculating based on force powers which seems fruitless and pointless confusion. I do agree with you on Shotgun though. I've secretly put a sign on his back that says, "Blaster Me".

Why do you find it weird that I have no strong lead on the vote-leader who in my experience doesn’t have a meta of low activity only as scum? Nexus has contributed jack shit in most games I’ve seen him in, be he Town or scum. And I’ll be frank – part of the reason I’ve not been motivated to go after Nexus is Slandaar is pushing him so hard and I don’t think much of Slandaar’s scum-hunting.

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Fair enough. Though I don't really see the point in trying to get effort from a slot that you feel is town.

Um, whut?

1. You have a Town read on a slot.
2. Said slot starts not contributing.
3. The player occupying that slot is NOT knowning for not contributing only as scum (aka it isn’t an alignment tell).
4. You prod said slot for content as more Town slots being active is a good thing for Town.

You don’t think this makes sense?

I don't think you've ever commented on Cow's play and I never said you said that. So I guess I'll ask you now.What do you think of Hascows play?

He’ll go on my ISO list after Nexus if I can get motivated. That said – his stance on BB’s joke about scum reads as pretty Town. If he was scum not wanting to make waves I doubt he goes boldly forward with a vote on BB based on the very weak reasoning he gave – that he feels ‘strongly’ that scum are more likely to call themselves scum than Town are.

[Nero Cain]

Fair enough. Though I don't really see the point in trying to get effort from a slot that you feel is town.

Um, whut?

1. You have a Town read on a slot.
2. Said slot starts not contributing.
3. The player occupying that slot is NOT knowning for not contributing only as scum (aka it isn’t an alignment tell).
4. You prod said slot for content as more Town slots being active is a good thing for Town.

You don’t think this makes sense?

but you have a town read and you're looking for scum. Other than his vote and potential night action I don't see why its important that he actively scumhunts and participates. Also if SK is not know to contribute as scum and therefore playing to his scum meta then why is he a town read or am I misreading #3?

[4nxi3ty]

Those two posts you quoted that gives you townvibes from BB could not possibly have been more random or innocuous.

both those post show the same thing: BBmolla reconsidering a scumread. They give off a vibe of someone trying to figure out alighnments rather than furthering an agenda.


after seeing wraith's last post, I might be okay with his lynch, need to read through some events first.

[MagnaofIllusion]

but you have a town read and you're looking for scum. Other than his vote and potential night action I don't see why its important that he actively scumhunts and participates. Also if SK is not know to contribute as scum and therefore playing to his scum meta then why is he a town read or am I misreading #3?

If you don't understand the importance of Town players actively scum-hunting and not just voting I don't exactly know how to explain it to you.

You are misreading 3 clearly. SK is generally inactive regardless of alignment. So thus, unlike ooba / Andy, him lurking / derping it up is not an alignment tell and it is certainly worth the effort to get him to be active if possible.

[splitfarvle]

Split’s Post 1035 is pure OMGUS. Happy with my vote as it stands.

Quite a blatant mischaracterization of my case. You must have done it on purpose since you proceeded to respond to my points.

It seems to me that MoI was implying that he suddenly thought ooba was town because of meta reasons after thinking he was scum for meta reasons.

Or the correct interpretation is that I was questioning to see if you had played with ooba before. Since if you had any experience with both Town and Scum ooba you would know easily what to look for.

Except your first post after the one I quoted:

Ooba and Andrius have their Town reads revoked and are now classified as Null reads.

So we have at best, a lie from you about your intentions in asking me about ooba's town meta. By your own words, you thought he was town at the time you asked me if I had played with him before. Further, your explicit use of "town ooba" instead of "Scum ooba" reinforces my belief that you are lying now.

What gets me is the constant referrals to meta instead of the actual content of ooba's posts. Contrast that with what he's said about other players, where he specifically addresses their content and posts, or lack thereof.

What gets you? The fact that he is easily able to be read on meta alone? Are you trying to assert that is it isn’t valid to determine someone’s alignment via meta if it is strong evidence? Please be clear about your assertion.

My assertion is that none of your reads on ooba were genuine. You are ooba's scumbuddy, and gave meta reads on ooba while avoiding addressing the actual content of his posts. Your "read" of ooba changed as was convenient.

Bolding mine. MoI deliberately leaves his own name out of the list of "the pool of scum." While still relying on his "meta" read of ooba. Which was either proven wrong, or stretched to fit MoI's purposes because he's ooba's scumbuddy. In other words, MoI directs other players to "note" a list of names that he subtly left his own name off of.

Speaking of stetching …

1. How was my meta read on ooba (calling him scummy for lack of activity) proven wrong? That’s clearly an untrue assertion on your part.
2. Is your assessment I should include myself on a list of scum? That’s comically stupid. I know I’m Town. I’m not going to scum-hunt myself.

1. You're right in a way, it's hard to be proven wrong since you went the gamut of scum-town-null on ooba, all based on meta. I would call that being wrong, if you were town. Since you're scum, I'll just call it opportunistic.
2. Instead of quoting ooba's reads, and noting what you know about his meta, you went the extra step of spelling it out for us while conveniently avoiding drawing attention to the fact that you should be a suspect as well. It's comically stupid that you thought it would go unnoticed.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh look, a bunch of "No, U" and "YUZ IS SKUMZ" rhetoric in reply to that case.

It's funny Split that you had no interest in me as 'suspect' in any other manner than an off-hand "I'd vote him" until I specifically call you scum.

[Nero Cain]

Why did you not answear my request, split?

Also I see you posting all over the site, BB.

@MOI-The only time I remember playing with SK he was town and pretty active. (190 posts in a day phase!!!)

[Nexus]

Hi. Blatant active lurking here.

What's the consensus on drmyshottyizsik in this game? He makes my brain hurt.

I will be back with actual scumhunting tomorrow. Fo sho.

[sword_of_omens]

Hey all,Back from V/LA...will get to catching up today...

[hasdgfas]

2 (RE: Cow): Obviously I had my issues with him yesterday and he hasn't really done much to improve his stance in my book. Yesterday he fencesat on SD and gave town pants to my top scum read for today. What really reads as distancing to me is this:

"I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous."

Why even mention SD at that point? He had no votes and was under zero discussion at the time. Of all the things that had happened since Cow replaced in, how does this rate as a notable subject? Nero actually pointed out that Cow omitted SD from his suspicious pile despite saying that he would vote him. He also goes along with the two scum team assumption Day 1 before it was revealed as a possibility. And here, he continues to push the two scum-team concept despite there being a possibility of one of them being an SK. I would put a vote on a cow wagon.

I mentioned SD because I thought it was notable at the time. As I've mentioned multiple times, I was making comments as I read through the thread as they came to me. Comments at the start of the post should not be assumed to be thoughts at the end of the post. Why is this so hard to understand? I can't absolutely hate something someone says early in the day but then not want to vote them by the time I catch up? Why is this so hard to understand?

I wasn't going with a "two scum-team assumption", I was simply not ruling out any possibilities, unlike you.

[BBmolla]

Also I see you posting all over the site, BB.

I am posting all over the site. This is just one of few games that annoy me and that I can't stand for too long.

MoI is probably town for townslipping about the SK situation folks.

drmy is prob scum too btw.

I await Nexus's catch up.