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[Korlash]

Is this all you have to say?

Is this all

you

have to say?

[drmyshotgun]

Vote: MoI

Just cause.

Post 1, Pizza throws random vote on MoI.

Fate, did you admit to being scum in 74?

Fate answers "Yes". Nothing more from Pizza on this.

Post 125 is a great summary, but why are we already at L-1 without someone making a SOLID case. He is acting far different then I have seen him before, but I'm not sure what that means.

Given that post 125 was made by me, I would assume he was meaning Post 135. By MoI.

Why do you RVS yourself? (Just out of curiousity)

Comes out from lurking to further enhance quizzical expression Vijay posed. Kinda like parroting. He adds: "Just out of curiousity." What can this mean? That he knows he isn't asking serious question of course. That he means absolutely nothing by it and will be satisfied with whatever answer Korlash gives.
And basically this is it...I have stated that I know that I'm out of my depth being in this game, but at least tried to justify my

raison d'etre

.
I'd imagine Pizza to be better than me but he seems to have detached himself from the game's progress and occassionally pop up to say something which won't do Town any good.

Unvote

Didn't realize my RVS was still on Vijay.
VOTE: Pizzadude
To apply pressure on him.

[PeregrineV]

@korlash- u get more, but I dont have time to give it now.

[vijay2vasandani]

Ugh. Korlash, you should know that you don't tell somebody your vote on them is only for pressure.

[Benmage]

Hey all, back now, should have time for this game after work today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok first catching up with what has happened during my LA –

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Korlash wins the thread for his sly Austin Powers reference.

I also assumed MOI was scum in that game, either Ben or MOI can tell me if I'm wrong on either account.

Yes I was scum in Feast.

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That said, I still think MoI is flailing obvscum and needs the hammer.

Let’s see – buzzword bingo combined with further complete lack of anything other than active-lurking …

I smell scum!

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I have been, but nothing's been clear how you can make Jason hold off flipping you once you've been lynched.

Ok, a better question would have been have you been reading AND applying critical reasoning to what you are reasoning? Because there is clearly enough in the thread posted by myself and others for you to draw the conclusion as to why I think that.

Does that matter? I'm debating whether to hammer, but the result would still be the same regardless of who hammers.

Summarize why you have hammered me in a short paragraph please.

Yates has a point.

What is it? That I was scum opening with a ‘Last to Confirm’ RVS vote there just like Feast of Crows which kicked off the whole line of discussion?

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THAT looks like a slip. I didn't notice it until knox brought it up and I read the posts in sequence [as posted].

So let me get this straight – you are taking umbrage with people making points you feel portray you as stupid.

Yet you are happy to suggest I’m dumb enough, as scum, to go out of my way to find the only other game besides here and Feast of Crows where I opened with a “Last to Confirm” RVS vote that is bured deep in my personal thread list, bring it up showing like Feast I was scum there also, and make a slip regarding my alignment here.

There’s a disconnect there that makes little sense to me

This whole post is a pile of shit, korlash. It's you waving your e-penis around trying to intimidate newer players and, again, it is not impressive to me.

Oh, so you can’t be questioned about your motives because you are ‘new’? For the record you’ve been here ove 6 months. You are no longer ‘new’.

Now, you're correct about one thing, I will be ignoring future questions from you unless *I* deem them pertinent to scum hunting or advancing the game.

I’m trying to fathom whether you are really this terrible a player. It’s the only way I can see this post coming from a Town aligned person.

Even with these posts added, it doesn't change three facts: one, that he admitted to being scum when opening that way; two, "also" is not the same as "but;" and three, he was unable to point to a game where he opened as Town in this fashion

So what? I’m quite serious about this. I’ve played over 80 games here on MS. Are you trying to suggest that a RVS opening I’ve made in a whopping 3 games total here is strong enough evidence that I’m scum. Keep in mind I have to have at least 20 scum games here.

Also, Pot, as Kettle I would like to tell you it's ok if you just want to admit that it's a delayed OMGUS from this nonsense:

You are suggesting that Vijay’s suspicion of you stems not from your posting recently but OMGUS due to a small throwaway at Post 48 – a post where you don’t even call him scum?

You should also reevaluate your methodology for determining scum after the game if you think putting someone at L-1 is scummy. What happens when he flips scum? Was putting MoI at L-1 scummy then?

If he flips Town, I already know I'm going to take a beating for it and draw attention that I would expect scum would want to avoid

[b/]

.

1. So it isn’t scummy to put someone at L-1 but it is also not scummy not to put someone at L-1 if they are the exact same person? I just want you to be clear on your stance here.
2. The bolded further makes me question the possibility you are just bad Town – you are saying that ‘drawing attention to yourself’ is not scum behavior. Yet I went out of my way to do meta legwork for Benmage that brought attention to myself. Yet I’m scum for doing it?

Fun exercise to back up your claim: do you have links showing scum putting Town at L-1 on Day 1? It should be fairly easy if it's scum meta for this site. I just checked my games [short list] and didn't see it in any of them. Thanks for looking into that for me.

This is terrible. You are asking for generic meta regarding the site (which has absolutely zero to do with how YOU play) about scum putting Town at L-1? What does that prove? For kicks if I have time I’ll go through Mini Theme games and see how many instances I can find for you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Now – a summary on my top suspects for scum –

I think there is at least 1 scum in Benmage / Fate and probably at least 1 scum in pappums / Yates.

Benmage

– His scum-hunting is very inconsistent, contradictory and generally looks very much like someone looking to portray someone as scummy as opposed to actually looking to find scum.

Let’s look at his Cognititve Dissoance regarding whether limited occurance Meta is useful or not.

On one hand Benmage things limited use meta is strong scum evidence – the first point in his case at Post 123 is that “He's opened this way twice before as scum. Check.”. Thus me having two occurrences where I opened the game with a specific type of RVS vote as scum is very strong evidence.

Yet when presented with equally strong evidence that certain behavior of mine via meta is evidence I am Town he attempts to handwave it away as irrelevant. Pure Cognitive Dissoance – he only believe that meta is ‘strong’ when it serves his purposes. When it works against him? It’s meaningless.

Then we have gems like this on the subject–

MoI in the same way your trying to refute my claim that scum slow claim or refuse to claim with personal Meta, YOU SHOULD be self voting because I used your Meta yo show you open games the way you did here.

What is the point of this other than circular logic rhetoric? I mean the premise of it is ludicrously bad – I should self-vote because I opened with an RVS vote similar to how I have as scum in the past. Nevermind the fact that self-voting is moronic regardless of my actual alignment so this is just rhetoric fluff as opposed to actual scum-hunting.

And let’s look at some other inconsistencies in his logic –

He's a good player. You aren't going to just catch a good player going 'I'm scum you got me '.

So I’m a good player. Yet I’m easily caught by making a RVS vote that you twigged to immediately. That’s not indicative of a good player. So again he's making arguments that justify his stance as particular junctures as opposed to arguments he believes.

Next we have his references he refuses to back up –

He keeps making some reference to Supernatural Mafia (a large Theme we played awhile ago) in which we were Neighbors together – I was Town and he was scum. He said that he remembers the following in Post 120

Really, because I remember you using my calling of you out for undermining as an example to call out other scum when you were town. Wasn't the game Supernatural Mafia?

Firstly I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. I was Town in a game and somehow me being called out for undermining scum Benmage was used by me to find OTHER scum? Makes little sense.

Secondly I’ve asked him to actually link to what he was referencing here. Instead of doing so he keeps saying rhetoric like “You deny my Supernatural reference?”.

Yes Ben – I deny you using a game where I was Town and you were Scum to somehow say I am scum here especially since you will NOT back up your vague allusion.

I also asked Ben to back up his “I can read Fate like a book” with instances where Town Benmage properly read Town Fate. I’ve yet to see any provide links that post-date Stars Aligned 3.

Lastly in Post 123 he tries to assert certain things are scum-tells that aren’t by any stretch of the imagination (such as fluffing [especially given the disconnect re: Fate] and ‘undermining’ by questioning him)

I’m happy where my vote is for the moment.

Fate

– His ISO completely lacks scum-hunting. For example he says that can’t pass up an excuse to lynch MoI for actual reasons when he hasn’t even given any. Constant 'Appeals to Repetition' of "you are scum" aren't scum-hunting.

Lots of empty rhetoric (Post 32 is him just posting “he’s scum” with no support for why) and fluff in his iso (Post 44, Post 46, Post 68 as examples). Yet Benmage isn’t calling Fate scum for fluffing. That’s another reason I find Ben so scummy in that my ‘fluffing’ is evidence of scum behavior but Fate is rock solid Town despite his ISO being filled with it.

Also – look how many players Fate calls scum in said ISO. Hint – it’s one. He doesn’t bother to even poke at anyone else.

Fate-scum will buddy players he finds to be strong partners – MGS is just an example of this. So his extreme buddying to Benmage could come with Ben of either alignment. So I am not ruling out them as possible partners.

Then we have Post 178 where Fate uses a combination of AtE (I’ll flip Town) and fear-mongering “You have to say that you can’t read me if you shoot me” to try to extricate himself from the “MoI is scum” push he’s made all game. Not a Town oriented post given it pre-supposes I’m Town (and his reasoning for still supporting my lynch is ludicrously bad).

Lastly Fate is not even in the top 4 (that’s the top third) posters in the game. For someone who is the most prolific poster on site in terms of total posts this is pretty much the equivalent of active lurking for him. And his ISO supports that.

Pappums

– Read his ISO. He parks his vote on my at Post 62 and has active lurked his way through the game. As I’ve pointed out he’s doing no scum-hunting and only has provide suspects beyond me when prodded.

Yates

– I think my ISO will show why I think he’s scum – he like Benmage has some serious disconnect between his own behavior and what he indicates he thinks is scum behavior.

I’m still waiting for him to justify his 180 on knox’s alignment re knox’s failure to make an L-1 vote given his explanation (not voting for scum) isn’t valid yet since we have no flips by which he can justify the flip-flop.

[Fate]

Motivation to read is at minimal levels. Apologies. So much text decreases it further.

I'd be willing to risk my life hammering MOI. I don't think believe the bomb claim.

This guy's town

Moving on

[Fate]

Day 1 Vote Count 2

MOI 4 - Pizza, Benmage, pappums rat,Yates
Korlash 2 - Istark, Korlash,
vijay 1 - Shotgun
IStark 1 - Knox
Jester 1 - PeregrineV
Benmage 1 - MOI,
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

Not Voting

The Jester
Fate,

It is now Day 1, with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

(expired on 2012-05-15 10:21:52)

till Day 1 Deadline

Not reading the walls either, let's do this the easy way.

MoI is probably town. MoI softclaims vengeful and the wagon grinds to a halt with no one except town willing to hammer him and invoke his wrath.

Aka scum was off his wagon at its peak:

MOI 4 - Pizza, Benmage, pappums rat,Yates, Fate
Korlash 2 - Istark, Korlash,
vijay 1 - Shotgun
IStark 1 - Knox
Jester 1 - PeregrineV
Benmage 1 - MOI,
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

Why is Korlash self-voting #1
#2 Can't remember a single thing Pere has done yet
#3 Jester is town, Korlash is town, Benmage is town

I think scum off right now are in
[Knox, Pere, Vijay, Istark]

Thats just for later, I still think the scummiest vote yet was Yates self-concious "oh I dont want to be scummy" hop onto MoI

Vote: Yates

[Fate]

I told you I wasn't posting this week-end MoI, stop fucking forcing a scum read on me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I told you I wasn't posting this week-end MoI, stop fucking forcing a scum read on me.

Hey Fate - how does you not posting this weekend have anything to do with your complete lack of scum-hunting BEFORE the weekend? That'd be great.

As to 'forcing a scum read' on you - do you honestly think I'd be doing that as Town?

[Fate]

To be fair, I honestly put him at L-1 [post 87] because he dared me to. Also for elusive behavior, scum slip self-meta, OMGUS voting when knox had the AUDACITY to question his "scum too" statement and called her wanting to extend the day scummy [despite the fact HALF the players had 5 or fewer posts]. These are my "stated reasons." [feel free to ISO - mostly in the 70's and 80's] I actually sat there refreshing the screen willing to unvote if he did/said anything nonscummy. But he didn't. Then you became a distraction.

meh actually reading the back and forth with Korlash here Yates is feelign townish.

Let me go ISO pizzadudes who literally posted shit about the RVS last page

[Fate]

I told you I wasn't posting this week-end MoI, stop fucking forcing a scum read on me.

Hey Fate - how does you not posting this weekend have anything to do with your complete lack of scum-hunting BEFORE the weekend? That'd be great.

As to 'forcing a scum read' on you - do you honestly think I'd be doing that as Town?

Early into D1, not giving a shit about a game where MoI is being a complete asshole in?

Seems like typical Fate to me, but hey I'm biased

[Fate]

And yes you would force reasons to try to find me as scum AS town yourself because you're paranoid and can't read me for shit and read me wrong the last two-three times I was scum.

[Fate]

Vote: MoI

Just cause.

Fate, did you admit to being scum in 74?

Post 125 is a great summary, but why are we already at L-1 without someone making a SOLID case. He is acting far different then I have seen him before, but I'm not sure what that means.

Why do you RVS yourself? (Just out of curiousity)

rofl this his ISO, complete with such gems as, "Did you claim scum Fate?" "Why do you self-vote" "Why is MoI at L-1 yet I'm not going to remove my vote?" and still on MoI "just cause"

Unvote:
Vote: Pizzadudes

This is REAL scum here just coasting the fuck by.

Peace

[MagnaofIllusion]

And yes you would force reasons to try to find me as scum AS town yourself because you're paranoid and can't read me for shit and read me wrong the last two-three times I was scum.

Funny ... I've only played with you in ONE game where you were scum IRIC (MGS Mafia). So where does this "You misread me as scum two-three times" come from? Links would be fantastic!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Fate your Pizzadude read is fantastic given you have been coasting by in the game parked on me with not a single line of reasoning why I was scum (yes, "LULZ YOU SCUMZ" isn't reasonsing). So pretty much you've done exactly what Pizza has done. Yet he's scum and you are Town?

And Fate not giving a shit doesn't really sell me you as Town. Town-Fate has never given two shits about how anyone else posted. Your 'MoI is a jerk' reason for being disconnected is really, really weak.

[Fate]

^thats why I'm not posting in the game again for abit

If anyone needs more convincing why Pizza is scum I'll hbe powerlurking over here, just like Pizza apparently

[MagnaofIllusion]

So you are unable to substantiate your claims that I'm 'misreading you' because you've 'fooled me so badly'?

And why is Benmage Town? I'd love to hear your reasons.

[PeregrineV]

A hypothetical could or could not be true. It is not, by definition, not true. That would remove it from being a hypothetical, and make it something else.

Now you're getting into semantics. At the time of giving his list, the hypothetical situation would not be true. Whether it might or might not be true later is irrelevant for the question i asked.

A hypothetical is never true at the time it is a hypothetical, semantically or otherwise. If it were true, then it would be a fact.

Well, everything town posts at this point is hypothetical. They know one alignment, and everything else is a state of unknown to them.

This is false and more to the point a tangential deflect from my question. What townies 'know' is irrelevant. You asked for reads, reads are based on tangible things. Posts that have been made are real and exist, so basing reads on them makes sense. You asked MOi to make reads based on posts that exist two pages from now. Made up, fake, non-existant posts. THUS, making reads on them is irrelevant.

Now, I took liberties here. You didn't actually say "posts" or 'two pages from now" but it's all the same shit. You asked him to base reads off something that exists in the future, thus you asked him to base reads on something you made up. (A hypothetical situation that did not and would not have at the time he gave the reads be true)

So ignoring your shitty answer where you intentionally stripped out my entire point, explain to me how it's pro-town to give reads based on stuff that hasn't happened yet?

I disagree. Reads are not always based on tangible things. To wit:

Fate is scum because Fate is always scum even when the mod mistakenly gives him a town role pm.

The only real town reads I have are the Jester, because while I know he has always been a little disinterested in a game once he's joined it and realized how much he would have to work, I generally feel getting a scum role would have netted a bit more out of him by now just because it's moderately interesting. And V2V because he's cool and I have yet to see him as scum.

And I asked MoI for his reads based on the fact if he were lynched. It's common for town to leave thoughts, etc. behind, even on day1, even on page whatever. Your argument that "it's in the future, how will he ever know" makes no sense.

And yes you did take liberties, and you are now saying that someone can't give reads based on things that might happen? "If I die tonight, here are my reads." That is hypothetical , and yet is done very often.

It's pro-town to give reads BEFORE things happened. I asked MoI for his HYPOTHETICAL death post, that he would give BEFORE he died.

You arguing against him doing any such thing like you did in post 225 makes me wonder why.

So, why?

Well. Exactly two games are being referenced. The tit-for-tat thing, and this one.

Nope. Lies. I warned you before this started to look into it. Now you've intentionally spread slander on another player over a situation you decided not to even look into. Enjoy your scum points.

The rest of that paragraph is irrelevant since your premise was a lie. needless to say the entire thing was you talking out of your ass. There is a third game being referenced which both you and Yates ignored.

Semantics. You got to love them.

[Pizzadudes7]

@Mod: know should be given a prod

@Fate: Why did you vote Yates THEn read the thread and vote me? Why not just actually read the thread?

Now, I looked at MoI's ISOs and decided to go through a couple of them myself.

Pappums: He hasn't supplies anything pro-town or anything at all (coming from me, yeah). And he continually pushes the MoI wagon even when he hasn't supplies any kind of reason why.

Also,

Unvote

Benmage: First, get a profile pic please. Now, in my opinion, he seems too defensive. When someone asked him about his statement about my vote, he got pissed and told them to stop fucking with his inquiries. Not really a good pro-town attitude. Finally, most cases that are brought up he tries to shoot down EXCEPT MoI's. Once I had made my vote, he later voted for MoI. Then asked ME why I voted MoI. If he didn't think it was a good vote, why would he vote for MoI as well? Very scummy.

Fate: First, your arrogance pisses me off extremely. You came into this game with an attitude of "Aww hell yes! Another game where I can fuck with people and not get yelled at at all! Lets go vote randomnly and call myself scum openly!" Not a good approach. In post 32, he states that MoI wants metas and acts loike he hates them. Then in 106 he basically says that MoI's meta is always scum and never town. For a dude who hates metas, you sure like using metas. Going through the rest of his posts....let's see......arrogance....cockiness....AN ACTUAL POST WITH A LOGICAL VOTE ON YATES!?!.........self-centered blah............A vote on me with my 4 post ISO........more arrogance. Not trying to destroy the validity of his last two votes, just hard to take them seriously when surrounded with so much arrogance.

[Fate]

You're questions are useless and a poor attempt at feigned scumhunting.

Your reaction to my arrogance is scummy fuck too. "Don't get me wrong Fate, not trying to undermine your validity but your arrogant"

That whole paragraph is information but no analysis outside of pesronality. So you've got me down as arrogant, and Benmage as defensive, but who the fuck is town and hwo is scum?

Yeah you're dying today

[Pizzadudes7]

You're questions are useless and a poor attempt at feigned scumhunting.

Your reaction to my arrogance is scummy fuck too. "Don't get me wrong Fate, not trying to undermine your validity but your arrogant"

That whole paragraph is information but no analysis outside of pesronality. So you've got me down as arrogant, and Benmage as defensive, but who the fuck is town and hwo is scum?

Yeah you're dying today

Thanks for the update scum. Have fun with the mislynch.

[Fate]

So now I'm scum? I thought I was just arrogant?

LOL DIS GUY

[Pizzadudes7]

Oh, you are arrogant. Also, that post was arrogant.