TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Regfan]

Amrun, can you explain the Captain scum read for me please because I'm not getting it.

That's weird, because when we voted internally White Flag was on the bottom of both his and mine lists. To avoid flipping a coin though I volunteered, I decided that MetaMafia was too hard for me as I'm recently back to this site.

I vividly remember him stating that he liked the setup inside the live draft chat room (He was user 100). I tried going back to check but the spreadsheet is closed.

[Johhog]

Yeah fuck, Backroom or whatever. You know what I mean, the mechanic Mafia.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.04

Benmage (2) - Johhog, Zachrulez
Captain Haddock (2) - Llamarble, Amrun
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Bub Bidderskins, Matias
Matias (2) - Captain Haddock, singersigner
Johhog (1) - Regfan
Llamarble (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Zachrulez (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (2) - SocioPath, Thestatusquo

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 21, 2012, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[Johhog]

Amrun, can you explain the Captain scum read for me please because I'm not getting it.

That's weird, because when we voted internally White Flag was on the bottom of both his and mine lists. To avoid flipping a coin though I volunteered, I decided that MetaMafia was too hard for me as I'm recently back to this site.

I vividly remember him stating that he liked the setup inside the live draft chat room (He was user 100). I tried going back to check but the spreadsheet is closed.

Here's our full choices, if it matters (not copy-pasted as that would be rule-breaking):

Isa:
Backroom (note, written as "MetaMafia")
Normal
Almost Normal
Scummies
White Flag

PeregrineV:
Normal
Almost Normal
Backroom
White Flag
Scummies

Zar:
Scummies
Backroom (also "MetaMafia")
Normal
Almost Normal
White Flag

Johhog:
Backroom (also "MetaMafia")
Scummies
Almost Normal
Normal
White Flag

[Amrun]

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

[Benmage]

There's a reason why I chose Llamarble at the beginning.

Scum would likely hop onto a bandwagon being pushed against someone formerly scum in a game

like this in an attempt to fit in, assuming Llamarble is town (or possibly even if he's not).

-Where'd do you get this opinion from, just personally?

Benmage why did you pick this game?

-No powerroles.

Skill>=win.

Scumpoints for 'I cooked up this purposeful vote in my lab pregame.'

QFT this was my inquiry for Zach. Sweet I knew you were town.

I think scum think more about how they're going to play the early game than town do.

Exactly... town join the game, and play. Exhibit A. Scum are more likely to formulate a plan. Do research. Etc. Hence my questioning of Zach.

Oh right, I'm sorry I did something that falls under your own personal scum meta. I'll refer to my fortune teller next time.

Not a fan of this attempt to wave off the accusation.

I was certain that Llamarble was going to be the first one wagoned in a sequel to the same format game last year in which he was scum. I don't like RVS.

This makes no sense. Since you've been here longer than a year, I can't write it off as being a newb.

I was voting Benmage because I think he would prefer a theme but would pick WF if it would allow him to be scum.
I still want to hear why he picked this game.

You know me well sir.

Consider this me asking everyone why they chose this game.

Hmmm.
-MetaMafia seemed like it would require too much devotion. I'm already strapped...plus now I have to help my teammates .
-Scummies popularity contest.
I chose 1-3 as possible choices I'd wanna play in. Just got WF.

Also as town I represent 10% of my team. As scum 33%. If 1 person blows it on the scum team, thats a huge negative. Rather than having 1 VI on town.

That said to properly answer Llama's question, for why I say he knows me well...is I'd love to pick scum. I'd take it a gagillion times over. And for that, I am forced to take town roles when the option arises. AGM's CYS I chose town, and made this exact same (paraphrase of course) statement.

Oh and

unvote vote Matias

[Benmage]

Town:
Zachrulez
singersigner
SocioPath
Amrun
Benmage
Captain Haddock
Llamarble


Other:
Bub Bidderskins
Cogito Ergo Sum
Johhog
Matias
Regfan
Thestatusquo

Pretty happy with these town reads.

[Matias]

Ben, that post is weird. What kind of question is "Where did I get that opinion from"?

[Benmage]

Town:
Zachrulez
singersigner
SocioPath
Amrun
Benmage
Captain Haddock
Llamarble
Johog
CES


Other:
Bub Bidderskins
Matias
Regfan
Thestatusquo

Pretty happy with these town reads.

FIXED

[Benmage]

Ben, that post is weird. What kind of question is "Where did I get that opinion from"?

Why would you ever believe scum would push someone because they were scum in the previous game? Like legitimately push? Or RVS?

[Matias]

Ben, that post is weird. What kind of question is "Where did I get that opinion from"?

Why would you ever believe scum would push someone because they were scum in the previous game? Like legitimately push? Or RVS?

Did you not listen to the part where I said it was to blend in during RVS, or what

This is the kind of stuff people aren't reading.

[Johhog]

Why do you think that SocioPath is town Benmage?

[Regfan]

Johhog

, if you thought that Backroom was too hard for you why was it your first choice? Also do you have any strong reads for this game yet?

Ben

, can you explain the Amrun, Johhog, CES and Socio town reads for me?

Kuribo says, "The votes are all over the place."

That's it so far, team-wise.

By the way. Regfan is town.

My team and I agree.

Amrun, can you explain to me what I'm missing here? Also I sort of see what you're saying in regards to Captain. I just don't agree with it.

[Amrun]

Team posts happen in real time, Reg. Discussion happened between posts 87 and 90. Although I should add that when I said "team" I did just mean kuribo and I, for now. The others are off doing Real Life things I guess.

Also we're deliberately not saying why we think you're town.

[Matias]

For the record, I'm still waiting for Haddock's response to my question on how he feels about CES mainly.

Let me just recap for those of you who don't get it.

So I joined this game. I looked at the thread when it started, because I've been busy with finals. I took a look at the playerlist. I saw Llamarble, but no mith or DGB. So, with that in mind, I figured that a Llamarble wagon would start because "u were totally scumzors during last WF" dumb logic. I thought, "what would scum do in this situation?" and came to the conclusion that they would most likely vote Llamarble as well to fit in. So I voted to influence a wagon on Llamarble to see who would join it.

Amrun, then singer, then CES. Zach, however, posted something that I wanted to know more about, so before I put my vote on CES, I analyzed him early game. Inconclusive, so I placed my vote on CES.

For the record, my reply to Llamarble's "scum meta" comment was sarcasm. I couldn't give a damn about what his scum meta is and my actions falling under that, because it's his scum meta, not my scum meta.

[Matias]

Hopefully that clears up stuff like "why did you think scum would want Llamarble lynched" and "why do you believe that it was a serious wagon" strawmans

[Johhog]

To be honest it was much of a tie-breaker, I trusted Isa more with the game than I trusted myself with it. It's not that I wouldn't be able to handle it.

I don't have that many strong reads yet but these is the ones that I have:

Town:

Bub
Llamarble
Zach

Null-town:

CES

Not a fucking clue:

Amrun
Regfan
Singer
Socio
TSQ

Null-scum:

Matias
Haddock

Scum:

Benmage

I've skimmed a bit too much though, I'll reread and see if I adjust something.

[Amrun]

You have one scumread in Benmage. Why?

[Matias]

I should post a read list too. Ask if you have questions.

Singer
Regfan
Amrun
Llamarble
Socio
Bub
Zach
Johhog
Benmage
Haddock
CES

TSQ hasn't posted yet

[Benmage]

Ben, that post is weird. What kind of question is "Where did I get that opinion from"?

Why would you ever believe scum would push someone because they were scum in the previous game? Like legitimately push? Or RVS?

Did you not listen to the part where I said it was to blend in during RVS, or what

I just don't understand how you come to that belief..... How is voting previous scum blending in... shit I think it would spur more spotlight.

[Amrun]

Why are we posting full reads lists on Page 5? Come the fuck on.

inb4 singer rages

[Johhog]

Amrun: It's mainly a gut-read but his last posts about his reads hasn't improved my view of him, I'm going further into that when he answers my question. I guess it started though with his CES vote in RVS, I didn't like that at all as I saw that CES post as pro-town.

PEdit: In what order Matias? Town to Sum?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

My placing is based purely on the "scum would blend in" argument that doesn't actually apply to me, right, DH?

[Benmage]

Ben

, can you explain the Amrun, Johhog, CES and Socio town reads for me?

CES for his reasoning why Johhog is town, double confirmed them both.
Amrun because he feels genuine. I mean shit he looks real obvious.
SP gut.

[Benmage]

Explain your scum reads Mat.