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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 2:26 am

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Want further proof that Benmage and Fate aren’t likely Town? I give you this …

Activity Log as of this post wrote: MagnaofIllusion 2012-05-04 14:55:03 2 days 18 hours 73
Korlash 2012-05-06 19:37:17 0 days 13 hours 66
Yates 2012-05-04 08:21:25 3 days 0 hours 56
Benmage 2012-05-06 12:59:48 0 days 20 hours 53
Fate 2012-05-06 13:44:56 0 days 19 hours 49


If you have trouble reading that I’ll translate for you … Benmage and Fate are only the 4th and 5th most prolific posters in the thread.

Benmage solidly believes, as Town, that activity correlates with alignment. Proof? Let’s go to A Feast of Crows which he’s been so happy to reference – There he was Town and aside from the Scum Child role (Zoraster who was scum from the start who could not be lynched or Nightkilled) he had double the posts of any other player in thread (at least in what remains of the thread, click the link for himself). In fact late in the game (eaten by Tigers) one of the points he constantly made was that he was Town because Scum never is the most active player in thread.

@Ben please confirm this.


Fate is the most prolific poster on site. He, as Town, loves to spam the thread trying to get his personal scum suspects lynched for his personal bragging rights and e-peen. The fact that he is posting less than 4 players is pretty damning. The fact that I’m one of them is even more so.

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Vijay wrote: ... I think I'll stay here and wait it out. Remind me what the Pizza case is again?


Basically that he reacts badly to being called scum and is poorly scum-hunting.

Which means he’s either scum or a VI. If you can tell the difference in Pizza let me know how you do so directly.

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Korlash wrote: I left my statement open to allow for cases to be made on people you think are town. Mafia set-ups come in all shapes and sizes and you can't tell me arguing why you think someone is town couldn't be a major part of some game somewhere for some-reason. (obviously this doesn't outright apply to this game but like I said, I leave room in statements like this to account for any scenario possible.)


I see where you are going here. That said I’ve never seen it listed as a ‘case’ before. Only as defending Town-reads.

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Benmage wrote: ^Fail.

Expect it to happen today.


I think you should have just left it at Fail.

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Pappums wrote: The simple answer is that I cbf to slog through 18 pages of wall posts to find specific examples. If people see this as antitown or scummy then so be it, but this game is wearing on me and I just dont have the energy to go back through all that again.


Well then replace out if you can’t be fucked to actually play the game. I’m 100% serious. This is an excuse that has zero Town positive benefit.

You know who make bullshit statements and refuse to back them up? Scum. So either you are scum (which I believe) or you are basically playing against your wincon as Town.

Pappums wrote:1. Yes, I admit my reaction was probably a little overblown and based in confirmation bias.


Then why have you given so much attention to me going after said reactions that don’t appear Town oriented?

Pappums wrote:2. I dont know whether I would consider pizza VI or not as I cant recall playing any games with him. In this game however, his actions look like active-lurking scum to me.


Well I will say that Pizza is a full on VI to the level that I’ve Mod Blacklisted him from my games. So I’m not going to be able to read him directly. He is in my opinion that bad a player. So I’m going to read him as I do other VIs (FourseenCircumstances comes to mind) and using that methodology I don’t see him as likely scum at this point. The fact that I have several other strong scum candidates also factors in to this.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 2:27 am

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His questions.... ARE THERE JUST TO APPEAR TO BE HELPFUL. Therefore by definition they are NOT scumhunting because there is no actual intent or POSSIBILITY for these questions to have any relevance to a player's alignment.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 2:40 am

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Pizza is a bad lynch, case in point: regardless of his alignment in this game, would anyone here actually expect him to play any differently as the opposite role? Answer: no! His lynch has nothing to do with him being scum and that's bullshit when we have so many good scum suspects to hang first.

Fate, you say his questions are just there to appear helpful. What makes you think he would ask any different questions "as town"?
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 2:44 am

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Never seen him play before, so I'm not doing any of thsi meta shit. His play here is unacceptable, and I'm not going to pray he gets vigged tonight and our problem goes away, I'm lynching it because I ALSO think he's been scummy.
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 3:06 am

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Yates is the scummmmmmm.

MoI your point on Fate and Benmage is interesting. I think Benmage is town, but I remember saying Fate-probscum.

Oh well, vig him tonight.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 am

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His point is that I'm not the most active poster in the thread ego I'm scum, which is just a useless meta that's not even true. I've explained why I don't feel liek posting in this game that often, and its not as if I lurk as scum (if you bother to look you'll notice I was the most active poster in most of my recent scum games). His point is invalid and null at best
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 6:06 am

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The game is too young, and I have been too burdensome to do justice here. I would be more concerned with my lack of content, than the number of posts I have.

The answer to MoIs question is yes.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 6:08 am

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There's no point to MoIs snipe at me.

SERIOUSLY that's a fuckin usseless personal attack.
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 7:12 am

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MattP wrote:Ok, three things:

1) This is the most horrific and nauseating game I have ever tried to replace into / catch up on. I am 12 pages in and I am in pain.

2) This is clearly the MoI/Fate/Benmage show with guest appearances from meatpuppets 4 thru 13

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Vote: Pizza
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I will divulge more of my hatred for you all and the incestuousness I despise between MoI/Fate/Benmage when I return from my travels to Baltimore. That is all.


lol, really?

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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 7:20 am

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@Vijay
– I don’t recall your read on Pappums. Could you please illuminate me?

@Peregrine
– Is Pizza not scum and thus Matt’s hop justified your ?

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Benmage wrote:The game is too young, and I have been too burdensome to do justice here. I would be more concerned with my lack of content, than the number of posts I have.


Um, whut? You can’t play the game because everyone is “Too New”? Cop-out and I do not like at all. Who, besides me in your eyes, is scum Ben?

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Fate wrote:His point is that I'm not the most active poster in the thread ego I'm scum, which is just a useless meta that's not even true. I've explained why I don't feel liek posting in this game that often, and its not as if I lurk as scum (if you bother to look you'll notice I was the most active poster in most of my recent scum games). His point is invalid and null at best


Funny about this claim by Fate … he I believe is referring to Brass and Shrapnel.

If that is indeed the check out this post by Fate post-game there ..

If I was clearly scum you didn't really seem to make an attempt at convincing anyone I was.

I kinda won while afk powerlurking playing GW2


So Fate is right there acknowledging that he lurks as scum when it is to his advantage.
Yeah, you can take that “that meta sucks” and cram it Fate. If you were Town you’d be plugged into this game. As it stands you are lurking out pushing on Pizza and have ‘maybe’ a scum read on Pappums who you aren’t interacting with in the least. Not Town oriented behavior.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 7:33 am

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During LyLo, during the same week-end I was afk here yes I lurked SITEWIDE and the game ended so it was funny to-

WHOAHWAHOWHAOWHAO WAIT YOU ALMSOT GOT ME THERE TALKING OT YOU
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 8:01 am

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Vijay ISO
Review (an post I don’t reference consider fully Null material at this stage) –

– The “good vote MoI, but misguided” actually reads to me as scum looking to be as casual as possible after our MST3K game together.

@Vijay
– why was my vote a ‘good’ one?

– As previously mentioned Vijay got +Scum points for inventing a ‘slip’ that made no sense in context and voting it.

– Again as previously noted - +scumpoints for the “You are mudslinging” comment on a meta basis.

– I see the Town thought process to asking Knox to commit to a vote (even if it was a secondary scum-read to me at this stage). + Town

– Willing to hammer me even if it costs him his life. +Town.

– +scumpoints here. Vijay is saying he likes by Shotgun when that post itself is a “I’m lost” post that really says zero.

and – Actually a +Town on these posts given he is willing to agree that I have a valid point on Yates while still saying I am scum. Shows he is willing to consider the possibility I am Town.

– Townpoints in that (From my perspective, I know) Vijay is the first to move away from my wagon and does so with reasoning as to another scum candidate.

– Actually I have to give +scumpoinst for this as he specifically in 124 that he was willing to hammer me if I am a bomb. It reads as possible active lurking on his part.

– Minor scum-points for appealing to Fate for a vote here while he’s been soft-selling Fate as scum at various points.

@Vijay
– is your “Yates is scum” position driven by anything other than “He was pushing MoI on a manufactured scum-tell’?

Would you vote Fate today?

Conclusion
– Mixed bag. I wouldn’t lynch him unless it came down between him and someone I had a Town read on today to avoid a No-lynch but definately not a Town read.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 8:54 am

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@Korlash: No sarcasm is ever in my words. If I wanted to use it it would be clearly evident.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 11:02 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Benmage wrote:The game is too young, and I have been too burdensome to do justice here. I would be more concerned with my lack of content, than the number of posts I have.


Um, whut? You can’t play the game because everyone is “Too New”? Cop-out and I do not like at all. Who, besides me in your eyes, is scum Ben?

No, my comment is that its only D1, so to be analyzing total post counts is premature. You surely have seen me called out for starting games slowly before. Mina in aSoS... Idno brain farting, but it happens.

Let me get to that second question. I need too. And there were things nagging me (need to find em and recall).

Oh and, I think I'm in like 5 games. I don't think I'm the most prolific poster in any of them. As, this game, like them, have seen a plague of RL. So unless you think I'm scum in all 5......... :neutral:
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:17 pm

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@MoI- Triggered a scumtell twice. Pizza's just a wagon he also hopped on that wasn't the Rat wagon. I don't think he cares.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:18 pm

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What scumtell peregrine? Stop being coy please.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:30 pm

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Benmage wrote:
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Benmage wrote:The game is too young, and I have been too burdensome to do justice here. I would be more concerned with my lack of content, than the number of posts I have.


Um, whut? You can’t play the game because everyone is “Too New”? Cop-out and I do not like at all. Who, besides me in your eyes, is scum Ben?

No, my comment is that its only D1, so to be analyzing total post counts is premature. You surely have seen me called out for starting games slowly before. Mina in aSoS... Idno brain farting, but it happens.

Let me get to that second question. I need too. And there were things nagging me (need to find em and recall).

Oh and, I think I'm in like 5 games. I don't think I'm the most prolific poster in any of them. As, this game, like them, have seen a plague of RL. So unless you think I'm scum in all 5......... :neutral:

Ben is right, he hasn't been posting in like two other games I'm playing with him.

MoI I'll get to your post in a bit.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 12:39 pm

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Regarding Pappum's read: null. I haven't seen anything that sticks out as scummy to me. I could probably ISO him if you really wanted a read, but that isn't how I do things. I'd rather find scumreads and eliminate from there.

Regarding "good vote": that was supposed to be a condescending remark. Tone doesn't really work on a screen so much

Regarding Yates: yeah pretty much. That's the main thing.

Regarding Fate vote: only if I can't get Yates lynched and it's close to deadline.

That should be all. I don't really feel invested in this game :( MoI the reason I liked shotgun's post 125 was because I feel lost too. You guys just start ranting about meta we have no idea about.

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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:15 pm

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Day 1 Vote Count 4


Pizza 4 - Shotgun, Fate,pappums rat, MattP
Rat 3 - MOI,Korlash,Mini-Librarian
MOI 2 - Benmage, ,Yates
Mini-Librarian 1 - Zeek
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
MattP 1 - PereV

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Pizza

It is now Day 1, with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:17 pm

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@Pizza
- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:28 pm

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Goddamnit I'm too prideful to change my read on MoI.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:33 pm

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Have any non-fluff for us Ben?
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 1:41 pm

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
@Pizza
- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?


Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.
Vote: Pappums


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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 5:42 pm

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Pizzadudes7 wrote:
MagnaofIllusion wrote:
@Pizza
- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?


Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.
Vote: Pappums


And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!


You're quoting the guy who says YOU are scum? :?

Saying survival vote sounds more accurate.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 pm

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Want further proof that Benmage and Fate aren’t likely Town? I give you this …

Activity Log as of this post wrote: MagnaofIllusion 2012-05-04 14:55:03 2 days 18 hours 73
Korlash 2012-05-06 19:37:17 0 days 13 hours 66
Yates 2012-05-04 08:21:25 3 days 0 hours 56
Benmage 2012-05-06 12:59:48 0 days 20 hours 53
Fate 2012-05-06 13:44:56 0 days 19 hours 49


If you have trouble reading that I’ll translate for you … Benmage and Fate are only the 4th and 5th most prolific posters in the thread.

Benmage solidly believes, as Town, that activity correlates with alignment. Proof? Let’s go to A Feast of Crows which he’s been so happy to reference – There he was Town and aside from the Scum Child role (Zoraster who was scum from the start who could not be lynched or Nightkilled) he had double the posts of any other player in thread (at least in what remains of the thread, click the link for himself). In fact late in the game (eaten by Tigers) one of the points he constantly made was that he was Town because Scum never is the most active player in thread.

@Ben please confirm this.


Fate is the most prolific poster on site. He, as Town, loves to spam the thread trying to get his personal scum suspects lynched for his personal bragging rights and e-peen. The fact that he is posting less than 4 players is pretty damning. The fact that I’m one of them is even more so.

Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity. That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.

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Pappums wrote: The simple answer is that I cbf to slog through 18 pages of wall posts to find specific examples. If people see this as antitown or scummy then so be it, but this game is wearing on me and I just dont have the energy to go back through all that again.


Well then replace out if you can’t be fucked to actually play the game. I’m 100% serious. This is an excuse that has zero Town positive benefit.

You know who make bullshit statements and refuse to back them up? Scum. So either you are scum (which I believe) or you are basically playing against your wincon as Town.

It is a massive stretch to say I am playing against my wincon by not trying quite as hard as I could.

MoI wrote:
Pappums wrote:1. Yes, I admit my reaction was probably a little overblown and based in confirmation bias.


Then why have you given so much attention to me going after said reactions that don’t appear Town oriented?

Because I was too caught up in my confirmation bias and made arguments that were based in it.

Could you answer that one question I asked? It was:
me wrote:5. So, you are honestly saying that you did not take PV's "imagine my vote on you to hammer" as expressing intent to hammer?


Pizzadudes7 wrote:
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@Pizza
- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?


Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.
Vote: Pappums


And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!

LOL and why exactly do you think I am scummy? You have not even mentioned me in this game.

I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will

Unvote
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