TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.06

Captain Haddock (4) - Llamarble, Amrun, Bub Bidderskins, Matias
Benmage (2) - Johhog, Zachrulez
Johhog (1) - Regfan
Llamarble (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Matias (1) - Captain Haddock
Thestatusquo (1) - singersigner

Not Voting (3) - SocioPath, Thestatusquo, Benmage

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 21, 2012, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[Amrun]

Unvote, Vote: Captain Haddock

. I'll take your word for it.

Why?

And especially why his over mine, when he was blatantly sheeping me?

[Matias]

That was directed to CES.

[Amrun]

Okay. Then why the vote for CH?

[Matias]

Sorry for not quoting. Im out to eat.

Edit: Zachrules, offense taken, blah blah blah? I made that argument the post after he made it...

[Amrun]

Oh, right, forgot. my bad.

[Llamarble]

Catching up.

Zach, why do you prefer town over scum?
I got some 'GO LYNCH ZACH' from my QT.
QT also thinks CES town, Singer town, Bub probtown, Johhog scum.

Where I'm at right now:
TOWN:
Llamarble
Singersigner
Matias

Probtown:
Amrun
Bub Bidderskins

Weaktown:
Regfan

????:
TSQ
Sociopath - P. sure last year he said his reason for playing WF was to show scum could be caught in mountainous
Zachrulez
Benmage

Scumland:
CES
Johhog - Mostly talks about his gamechoice. Sticks to his Benmage vote in a kinda weird manner.
Captain Haddock

[Llamarble]

How is 1 not accomplishing 2? This is an illogical argument. Bub's probably town for it, though.

Hrm, I think this comes from scum SLIGHTLY more often than it comes from town.
And I do feel a little buddied by Amrun.
I wish Flash IV hadn't been eaten by the tigers.

[Amrun]

Bub has a history of making illogical arguments as town.

[Llamarble]

I was talking about you pointing it out rather than him making it, actually.

[Amrun]

I didn't buddy you in Flash IV that I remember, LLamarble. Nor its predecessor (def. not for that one, I tried to lynch you. FATE AND HIS STPUID AKDJ;AMASON ASLKJDD Still mad).

I'm also not buddying you here, but whatever.

[Llamarble]

Llarmable

, I disagree with almost all of your reasoning behind 'townpoints' handed out. Not completely thinking through a post before posting it is more likely to be player-related than alignment related and inclusion of words like 'heck' aren't town-tells in the slightest. I don't remember you ever handing out townpoints for things so meaningless, do you by any chance have a link to a game where you've done-so as town?

I don't think they were meaningless.
Scumposts tend to be crafted carefully and less likely to require additional info than thoughtdumpy town posts.

[Zachrulez]

Catching up.

Zach, why do you prefer town over scum?

Sparing the long detailed explanation, the gist of it is that I'm terrible at scum.

[Llamarble]

Okay.
I prefer town by a lot over scum too, but I played scum last year because I thought it gave our team the best chance to win and I figured I could still scumhunt in the other games.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub has a history of making illogical arguments as town.

That's more true than I'd like .

Llamarble, why does your QT think Zach is scum? I've got a pretty strong town read on him.

Oh, and CooLDoG wants everybody to stop using bullshit meta on last years game .

[Llamarble]

Grey thought 22 by Zach really lacked bite.
Just kinda felt to him like:
"Here, have a null read on a very unreadable poster.
Here, have a town read on Bub.
Here, have some mafia theory."
I agree with him that Zach has been pretty passive / isn't working his vote very hard.

[Regfan]

I don't think they were meaningless.
Scumposts tend to be crafted carefully and less likely to require additional info than thoughtdumpy town posts.

I strongly disagree. I comb over and recheck my posts 2-3 times as town and as scum. I know a few other people that do the same. I also know a lot of people that just post whatever they're thinking regardless of their alignment without rechecking it.

While we're talking though I wanted to know two things;

1) Who exactly on your team has CES as town and what was their reasoning behind it?
2) Why did you bring up Amrun buddying you when Benmage is doing it to a greater extent?

Right now my reads are essentially;

[Town]

- Matias -- Zach -- Benmage - Singer ---- Bub ----- Captain [TSQ, Socio, CES] Llarmable - Amrun ----- Johhog ---------

[Scum]

[Captain Haddock]

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

...I was actually analyzing Zach, but okay.

I know what you meant now but saying "early bandwagoning is scummy" isn't bandwagon analysis, what was your reason besides that? Because he wasn't the only one to do it.

What are your thoughts on CES, Haddock?

Quite towny.

VOTE: Captain Haddock

Nope.

43 started off artificial and followed up with "you are wrong so I get to vote you"

Why do you think it's artificial? I'm not voting him for being wrong, I don't think describing the 6th post "as not early at all" is geniune and the rvs "bandwagon" doesn't explain that to me. I'm voting him because I think he was trying make me suspicius and he was testing the waters.

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

Your post is terrible. NO, Encouraging suspicion of a player you won't even vote is scummy. Matias didn't exactly use neutral language and he was telling Zach his logic meant he should suspect me. But since then he said I was scummy for voting him.

"Haddock voted him to lash out at a threat" is dumb, the thing to do as scum would be ignore him and let him vote someone else(which he did). But I'm town and I want him lynched.


Matias was testing the waters at the start, he didn't even give a scum suspect but asked for multiple reads. His first vote was the only real wagon(rvs doesn't count), and now he's hopped onto me. He hasn't given any reasons for voting me either he just wants to vote with everyone else, he doesn't want to try and get a suspect lynched, just bandwagon.

[Llamarble]

@Regfan:
1. That was also Grey. I guess he regards CES as notoriously unreadable but also read him as town.
Johhog scum was LLD; the rest from that list were Grey.
LLD thinks CES scum though. MoI has mild town on Benmage and CES.
Grey's Zachread is the one that was strongest and he says Zach got better / worse since then.
Grey also mentioned Bub's mother.
Our QT is fun and has many very sketchy ads.

2. I was reading Amrun at the time. Benmage buddying me more isn't particularly important to me figuring out Amrun.
I noticed exactly what you said while reading Benmage through later though.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

So no reasoning for any of those, 'marble? And why did you put me in scumland?

[singersigner]

Has Shea posted yet?

Nope?

confirm vote: Thestatusquo

[Captain Haddock]

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

I missed this completely, but now that I look back on it, Haddock's actions seem really scummy. In context, it seems like a very weird thing for him to say, like he perceived even slightest thing to be a threat. I don't like it.

unvote; vote: Captain Haddock

Subtle encouragement to vote me but no attack and voting someone else is no threat at all. Your logic applies more to Matias, as he took no issue with my reasons for voting him(ignored my case) but voted me. You and Amrun should be voting him.

[Benmage]

Town:
Zachrulez
singersigner
SocioPath
Benmage
Captain Haddock
Llamarble
CES
Matias
Regfan
Amrun


Other:
Johog
Bub Bidderskins
Thestatusquo

Pretty happy with these town reads.

FIXED

Lets try this again.

unvote vote Johog

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: shea

[Zachrulez]

Has Shea posted yet?

Nope?

confirm vote: Thestatusquo

Sure he has, if you're counting posts that aren't being made in this game.

Unvote: Vote: Thestatusquo