TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[jasonT1981]

Bit of chatter in my team quick topic with DDD, he seems to think GrayICE is playing very similar to what he did as town in TM: PYP. I didn't read this game, but furthers my thought GrayIce is town. GrayICE, do you have a link to that game so I can check it out?

[Slaxx]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17417

[jasonT1981]

ok thanks, will try and weed my way through it tomrrow, too late at night now to be doing a full read.

[Slaxx]

I was in that game.

Summary Grey Ice comes in with statistics, a lot of people call it WIFOM, he gets lynched, he winds up being right (if I recall), and then we all sat down and ate "I told you so" cupcakes he baked for us.

[Captain Murasa]

@Jason: It felt forced, like you had to force out your scumreads as if you didn't have any at all.

@Haylen: UN has felt town to me thw whole game, and I thought a lot of his actions were pro-town. Why is everyone wagoning UN?

[GreyICE]

Grey...give me 1 game each where your team have read me correctly. You think I'm scum when I'm not, LLD thinks I am when I'm not, and the experience I've had with MoI is he think's I'm town when I'm not.

You're exaggerating here and you were exaggerating when you said nobody could find more than 2 of my normal games which is quite interesting when 6 of them are listed on my wiki.

Vote GreyICE

Oh, you want to do this Haylen? You want to do this? Lets do it, Haylen. If you flip town, lynch me tomorrow. How about that, Haylen. You know I'm going to flip town, are you man enough to make that bet? I bet not, you're not, and not just because you lack a penis. You also lack balls.

Come on Haylen, bring it.

As for reading you right, remember Multiple Personality Mafia? Okay, I hated you for not shooting, but you were so fucking town it wasn't even funny. Magna misread you in the game where you counterclaimed the scum cop claim as scum cop.

Care to provide a game where I misread you? Oh that's right. I HAVE NEVER MISREAD YOU. EVER.

Care to provide another game where, outside of an amazing power role claim fueled by a mastin-setup one of our team misread you?

Oh that's right, we don't.

Come on Haylen. Bring it on.

[Slaxx]

Is this seriously going to have to come down to me sitting down and sifting through all the games you guys have played in or can you save me a day and just admit that one of you is lying or exaggerating ಠ_ಠ

[GreyICE]

Also, Grey, you've played with me twice before, both times I was town, both times you tried to lynch me. You cannot read me like an open book.

This is a LIE.

First, I've played with you three times.

Second, want to link to the games where I 'misread you?' Would that be Calculus Mafia and Buffy Mafia?

Because you seem to have forgotten a very important detail in my 'misreading' of you.

[GreyICE]

Is this seriously going to have to come down to me sitting down and sifting through all the games you guys have played in or can you save me a day and just admit that one of you is lying or exaggerating ಠ_ಠ

Here you go, Slaxx:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21433
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17533
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=15977

All three games. Check out multiple personality mafia. Never even considered voting her (Rena, one of her hydra alt thingies).

Check out the other two. See if you can find something very specific which relates to her claim of me being unable to read her (hint: I knew she was town in both games)

[Haylen]

I forgot you were in Multiple Personality Mafia, I even forgot I was in it, I was actually trying to forget that game.

I also forgot you were scum in Calc mafia.

One game does not an open book make.

[DeltaWave]

Don't get DeltaWave's vote, I'm not seeing the connection between "you're wrong about scum being nervous in RVS" and "you're scum". Gonna go look into Quilford meta to see if Grey's point holds any water.

My bullshit siren is going WOOO WOOOO WOOOOOO

[GreyICE]

I forgot you were in Multiple Personality Mafia, I even forgot I was in it, I was actually trying to forget that game.

I also forgot you were scum in Calc mafia.

One game does not an open book make.

So you admit I have never, ever misread you.

Ever.

Is that about the whole of it, Haylen?

[Slaxx]

Oh man the irony of MPM is I was pushing her lynch. I was Tuniogen with Richard, lmfao. And you told me not to. good times.

Ok so I don't get the second game, you were scum there.

[Haylen]

I admit you got me as town in one game. A game I was a hydra with Nachomamma8 in. The confounding variable is that you could have gotten the pro-townness from him rather than me because I barely posted.

[Slaxx]

Well there could be a first time for everything Grey.

What I'm more interested in his why haylen is voting you. Do you really see this much eggzinonebasket coming from Grey as scum Haylen? Grey has done some ballsy things as scum/3p but I think its too early for him to be pulling this shit, especially since he has a team holding him accountable for risks he is making. I think he is town.

[GreyICE]

Lets summarize this.

Haylen is trying to convince me that I can't read her.

With her vote on me.

If I'm scum, why does she want to introduce doubt about my read on her? I wouldn't have an honest read on her, I'd have a dishonest read on her based on the fact I was scum.

But here's she's trying to sell me that me and my team can't read her... and pushing for my lynch at the same time.

Come on Haylen, 1v1 time. Got balls?

[Slaxx]

Also, and this is gonna sound douchey and I apologize but I am just being honest here, I don't see any reason scumgrey would practically trade himself for your lynch as town unless he got a message in his role PM stating you were an ubercopvigamafier. You're not that invaluable to town, no one in this setlist is.

[Slaxx]

Lets summarize this.

Haylen is trying to convince me that I can't read her.

With her vote on me.

Good enough for me. Back on the original choochoo.

vote haylen

[Haylen]

Not this early in the game, I'm not. It's 6 pages in and I'm not 100% sure you're scum, you're just the scummiest person to me right now.

I'm voting you for you're scummy behaviour since the beginning of the day.

[Haylen]

By the way, if I get lynched today, there's at least 2 scum on my wagon.

[Slaxx]

why

[Haylen]

Because this wagon is absolutely ridiculous. It's so ridiculous I'm not even sure what the case is.

[Slaxx]

The case is you're calling Grey scum but then trying to convince him you can't read him. Its two separate avenues: one of outward action and one of inward thought.

You outwardly

say

you think Grey is scum by voting him, saying he is lying/exaggerating/BSing whathaveyou, but then you try to convince him that he is reading you wrong, which of course implies you

think

or assume he is town. Meaning what you say and what you think isn't the same.

And that is why I'm voting you.

I shall write a screenplay, yes. Yes I shall.

[Slaxx]

*convince you he cant read you

[Haylen]

So according to Grey, the only time he would read me incorrectly is if he's scum? Ok.

Vote stays.