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[pappums rat]

Everyone on the pizza wagon: what do you think of MoI?

[Korlash]

Never seen him play before, so I'm not doing any of thsi meta shit. His play here is unacceptable, and I'm not going to pray he gets vigged tonight and our problem goes away, I'm lynching it because I ALSO think he's been scummy.

Bullshit. Every single one of us has seen a 'Pizza' before. Some player that could arguably be labeled as a VI, or a new player, or a bad player, or whatever that turns into lynch bait and 9 times out of 10 ends up a mislynch that starts the town a day late with what amounts to a half info wagon. Everything you've said regarding him being scummy amounts to "I think he is a bad/worthless player" which is not the same thing.

@Korlash: No sarcasm is ever in my words. If I wanted to use it it would be clearly evident.

Good, so it was just a clarification thing.

@MoI- Triggered a scumtell twice. Pizza's just a wagon he also hopped on that wasn't the Rat wagon. I don't think he cares.

He triggered the same one twice? Or two different ones... Why not tell us what they are? What is the deal with it "not being the Rat wagon"?

I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will

Bullshit. "I think Rat is scum but it would be best to lynch MoI or Myself"... No. If you really felt Pizza was scum you wouldn't say it would be better to lynch MoI. And this is a bullshit appeal of mortality. 'Guys, I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the town'...

Die scum, die! But in a nice way so we can have cake afterward. But some small amount of not-niceness as well... because you're scum. =D

[Fate]

@Pizza

- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?

Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.

Vote: Pappums

And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!

[Fate]

@Pizza

- care to vote Pappums Rat to even up the competing wagons?

Sure, just because I do think he is scummy.

Vote: Pappums

And Fate says: HE IS TRYING TO SAVE HIS ASS. LYNCH!!! LYNCH!!!

You're quoting the guy who says YOU are scum?

Saying survival vote sounds more accurate.

Your vote is in the wrong place

[MagnaofIllusion]

Benmage has again made numerous posts (15) in other games since his last string here (which were all fluff).

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You're quoting the guy who says YOU are scum?

Saying survival vote sounds more accurate.

Elaborate on what you are saying here …

@Peregrine

– Fate is correct in Post 478 you should be voting Pappums.

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Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity.

That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.

Oh look, handwaving. But let’s examine …

1. RL to consider – Benmage hasn’t said anything about RL reasons for low activity and content. In fact that only thing he alluded to is being in 5 games. I’m in more than that right now. So that’s not a real reason ATM.
2. Level of involvement in the game – when Benmage has, as Town, consistently in the past espoused a “Town Benmage is active Benmage” stance (and he agreed to this) then his level of involvement in the game should be considered alignment driven.
3. Strategy for the game – not a really valid point IMO since strategy in a particular game is not alignment dependant.
4. Many other things to consider – broad net that says nothing.

But let’s also discuss the straw-man I’ve bolded.

I clearly have indicated why Benmage in particular is scum BEYOND activity (same for Fate to a lesser extent given I have not made a full case on him) and you trying to suggest the only reason for my statements is this point is scummy as all get out.

It is a massive stretch to say I am playing against my wincon by not trying quite as hard as I could.

Well if you were Town and just CBFed to actually support your statements thus making you look scummy as fuck it is hardly a stretch.

Because I was too caught up in my confirmation bias and made arguments that were based in it.

So you’ve abdicated that yet another point you are using against me isn’t valid. But I’m still scum. Noted.

I have already answered said question – yes clearly his “Hey discuss this hypothetical situation” was not a “I will hammer you if you don’t claim” statement. You starting foaming at the mouth the first time I stated it so I’m not sure why you are now pretending I didn’t answer it.

[Fate]

Fate is correct

sigged

[The Mini-Librarian]

@pizza: in your own words, why is pappums scum?

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@pappums: do you think MoI has a higher chance to flip scum than pizza?

[Pizzadudes7]

For one, he has been fixated on MoI and myself this whole time. I see no reason for anyone to just keep one target at a time. Also, he only has contributed when people directly ask him questions and early on in the game. Honestly, and this is coming from me, he really isn't helping himself out and he DEFINITELY isn't helping the town out.

[PeregrineV]

@Korlash- Call it the "This thread sucks" scumtell.

@MoI- Papums and Pizza are the biggest wagons. I didn't see an outstanding reason for voting Pizza, so it looks like a "biggest wagon" vote.

At this point, I think Papum's sounds reasonable. He's given his reasons and stayed with them.

[Benmage]

protown..... so being scum and making mistakes equate to he samething..... that's news to me.

Well welcome to the Burden of Proficiency Ben – I don’t think you are bad enough a player to make those sort of clearly incorrect mistakes as Town.

But as scum looking to get my mislynch? That I could buy.

Mis-stating open sourced information. YES I TOLD YOU EVERYONE YOU WERE TOWN IN ASOS AND DIDN'T THINK YOU"D FIX THAT......... Reeeeeeaach further please.

When he decided he was going to spam the thread with semantic arguments that are going nowhere. He did this in a recent game as scum, but I think this is more of a playstyle thing than a scum-driven thing tbh.

BTW I am done with the walls and quote strip back and forth. I am not going to partake in miring this game in unreadable monster wall posts. If you have something you want me to respond to, do so in a succinct question sans wall plox.

What game was this, as Ban he seemed much less committed to the game.

post 349
OH. There it is.

- I was not arguing against giving final reads, i was arguing against how you asked him to do it. vast difference.

This horse hasn't been beaten enough yet....

Futhermore are you suggesting that Benmage and Fate are ‘easy targets’ based on my interactions with them?

Quote 4: I voted you because you are scum.

EVERYONE SHOULD EXAMINE THIS RESPONSE CLOSELY.

I asked Papums to summarize why he voted for me in his own words. This is his response.

Then vote him. Thanks!

-I think he's calling us easy targets to rile up, not low hanging fruit if you will....
-Decent second point. That feels like an AtR.

if only I have enough hours in a day. Since I don't, and the living players would do there own version of who-was-on-the-wagon day2, I asked you, the potentially dead player, to do so before you died.

Are you really not understanding what I asked for or why I did?

Preachit.

Ben clearly wasn’t going to go looking for it. Why would I, as scum, not tell him to do it himself as opposed to doing all the legwork?

That was quite early into the game.... I could've done some meta research, I certainly have in past game.

-You can that confidently now...but at the time. Not really.

And I will circle back to the crux of my question. Why refuse the town what could potentially be your "last thoughts"?

And I'll repeat, ONCE AGAIN, my response to this - I was not worried at all about having time to post my final thoughts even if you hammered. Period. Last time I address this.

Also - why, if you were asking for my 'last thoughts' did you not express an intent to hammer. That's pretty much site standard for when people claim and give last thoughts here on MS. The closest you got was giving a wishy-washy "I'm debating it" comment.

See, I still don't like this at all about MoI.

*sigh* case? My case is that you're fabricating a scumslip. I don't understand what else I can do. Sure you can defend yourself but I'm obviously not convinced. Like I said, it's a matter of who they believe.

You're calling it A. He's calling it B. Personally I think what you're saying that'd he do, or try and do as scum is a long shot. So no-one is rallying to your side. You need to stop focusing solely on this issue. (hypocrisy?probably )

post 418
Good this reads like town. For Min-Lib.

3. I’ll be quite curious at Benmage’s thougths on what is clearly inflammatory language that he states is a scum-motivated play.

Wait... what did I miss here?

This isn't a 'doubles standard' me and MOI have. It's good and proper play, end of story. And I defy you to find an instance of me or MOI ever neglecting to back up our attacks when asked to. Let alone when asked three fucking times.

I could find MoI twisting things to sound the way he'd want them to.

*sigh* case? My case is that you're fabricating a scumslip. I don't understand what else I can do. Sure you can defend yourself but I'm obviously not convinced. Like I said, it's a matter of who they believe.

For the record, is the entirety of the 'fabrication' argument simply that he's too good a player to have thought it was a legitimate slip? If so, I think saying he 'fabricated' it is a bit far. Pushing it while seeming to not care if it was true or not, sure... But outright fabricating it seems too hard to back up.

Ding ding ding

... I think I'll stay here and wait it out. Remind me what the Pizza case is again?

Literally no attempt or sign of scumhunting so far. Makes useless questions to appear being "helpful and inquisitive" over-reaction to the vote I made on him.

Its pretty open and shut

Sorry, I was in the woods since Friday, but I'm back.

So, the actual case is that I don't post my scumspects therefore SCUM? Never have I seen a game where something like that was true.

Also, I think someone asked if I thought MoI was scum. If that was a question, I would say possibly, but no matter what I say, people will say we are partners

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how is this shit still alive?

I don't understand this either.... Was it mentioned once before....wow.

post 441

Benmage because of the MoI vote thing that happened with him and me (where he challenged my MoI vote after he made his own).

*headdesk*

^Fail.

Expect it to happen today.

Disappointed in you Ben, I was considering adding you to my list of role models... actually going to the Gym and then posting! I knew it was too good to be true... no one can do either of those... ;_;

I'm glad you've kept the humour(fancy). Sometimes I feel like I'm sitting down to work. WTF is that!!? This is a game. Dis shitz suppose to be fun.

[Benmage]

Pizza is a bad lynch, case in point: regardless of his alignment in this game, would anyone here actually expect him to play any differently as the opposite role? Answer: no! His lynch has nothing to do with him being scum and that's bullshit when we have so many good scum suspects to hang first.

Mmmmmm I'm the first to yield I suck at reading newbs/Vi's. Tis my 1 flaw.

But I don't think this guys worth glossing over just yet.

Yates is the scummmmmmm.

MoI your point on Fate and Benmage is interesting. I think Benmage is town, but I remember saying Fate-probscum.

Oh well, vig him tonight.

@Korlash You have completed town games of Vijay. Tell me one please.

Have any non-fluff for us Ben?

Because this snipe is way cooler than asking why I could possible after all that change my read right. Gosh I wish I was as BadAss as you. (internetsarcasm)

Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity. That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.

QFT. MoI will use just about anything it seems to paint the negative picture.

I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will

Unvote
Vote: MoI

for this reason. If an MoI lynch will not happen I will return to pizza.

Fuck this reads so town.

Never seen him play before, so I'm not doing any of thsi meta shit. His play here is unacceptable, and I'm not going to pray he gets vigged tonight and our problem goes away, I'm lynching it because I ALSO think he's been scummy.

Bullshit. Every single one of us has seen a 'Pizza' before. Some player that could arguably be labeled as a VI, or a new player, or a bad player, or whatever that turns into lynch bait and 9 times out of 10 ends up a mislynch that starts the town a day late with what amounts to a half info wagon. Everything you've said regarding him being scummy amounts to "I think he is a bad/worthless player" which is not the same thing.

Yeah, and I've also seen those same useless fucking players turn out to be scum. Which is a 10X worse feeling. Also if you want to yield it a PL D1 is the best day. Not Lylo where scum twist the remaining town into believing his is scum... because less face it, he'll act scummy as fuck, and the reasonable town will be dead. SO its damned if you do, damned if you don't. Lets not also go into the fact that I don't want a player like this anywhere near lylo, but I digress.

I think we have gotten just about as much from Day 1 as we can, and I think we should consolidate to three candidates: MoI, pizza, and myself. I think we would get the most relational information from either a lynch of MoI or myself. While I do believe pizza is scum, I will

Bullshit. "I think Rat is scum but it would be best to lynch MoI or Myself"... No. If you really felt Pizza was scum you wouldn't say it would be better to lynch MoI. And this is a bullshit appeal of mortality. 'Guys, I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the town'...

Die scum, die! But in a nice way so we can have cake afterward. But some small amount of not-niceness as well... because you're scum. =D

Wait... did he not previously find MoI scum.... (Im about to do isos anywhose)

I won't say I "lol'd"...but I half-grinned.post 477

[Benmage]

Benmage has again made numerous posts (15) in other games since his last string here (which were all fluff)..

FUCKING BASTARD!!! POSTING ELSEWHERE!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!

(although, being behind a couple pages in a game could be a deterrent, whereas he could be up to date in the other threads... or hell it could be the start of a new game ...the posts could be largely phone posts...)

NO FUCK THAT KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!! RAWR AMERICA

[Benmage]

Wow this is awful. While people often do have traits that you can judge them to some degree on, making this hard of a metatell is just terrible. There is RL to consider, there is a person's level of involvement in the game, there is the person's strategy for the game, and many other things to consider when you get into a person's activity.

That you say they are scum here based upon how often they post in other games or places of the forum is a FUCKING TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.

Oh look, handwaving. But let’s examine …

1. RL to consider – Benmage hasn’t said anything about RL reasons for low activity and content. In fact that only thing he alluded to is being in 5 games. I’m in more than that right now. So that’s not a real reason ATM.
2. Level of involvement in the game – when Benmage has, as Town, consistently in the past espoused a “Town Benmage is active Benmage” stance (and he agreed to this) then his level of involvement in the game should be considered alignment driven.
3. Strategy for the game – not a really valid point IMO since strategy in a particular game is not alignment dependant.
4. Many other things to consider – broad net that says nothing.

But let’s also discuss the straw-man I’ve bolded.

1. I clearly have indicated why Benmage in particular is scum BEYOND activity

(same for Fate to a lesser extent given I have not made a full case on him) and you trying to suggest the only reason for my statements is this point is scummy as all get out.

1. Disagree.

1. You being able to keep up with more than 5 games means I can....This logic is perfect. (moreinternetsarcasm)
2. Answered already, but you'll ignore truth and beat this point. I've been called out for slow starts before. The game is still D1 and hence premature to be looking at PC. Am I scum in all my games? ROFL.

[Benmage]

For one, he has been fixated on MoI and myself this whole time. I see no reason for anyone to just keep one target at a time. Also, he only has contributed when people directly ask him questions and early on in the game.

Honestly,

and this is coming from me, he really isn't helping himself out and he DEFINITELY isn't helping the town out.

(To potentially save for Korlash endgame if things turn out my way, otherwise ignore this)

[vijay2vasandani]

Okay, I cbf reading all that. Benmage, who should my vote be on if I can't lynch Yates?

[Benmage]

Really.... Definitely NOT MOI. Wait.... Okay MoI.

[Benmage]

My opinion is so not biased either.

(I am planning on looking at the others now, starting with our two leads pizzza/rat.)

[vijay2vasandani]

Idc really. We lynch somebody, I shoot Yates, they shoot me, I die and don't embarrass myself XD

[Benmage]

Whatever.

The MoI case is awesome:
I have a family and can post during the weekends.
MoI has a family and cannot.
Therefore MoI is scum.

(This totally isn't me mocking MoI's point of being able to handle X amount of games, and me being overwhelmed)

[Benmage]

So Vijay claimed Vig, and MoI claimed Vengeful.

Lynch MoI please.

[vijay2vasandani]

Yeah idk about that one.

[pappums rat]

@pappums: do you think MoI has a higher chance to flip scum than pizza?

Given that many think pizza is a bad player and that the things he has done to get himself wagoned is the sort of thing he is likely to do, yes I do think MoI is more likely to be scum than pizza. While pizza has mainly just been shitting around coasting, MoI has [slander] been manipulative and has been actively slanting certain "facts" his way to make things sound the way he wants them to. [/slander]

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 Vote Count 5

Rat 4 - MOI,Korlash,Mini-Librarian, Pizza,
Pizza 3 - Shotgun, Fate, MattP,
MOI 3 - Benmage, Yates,pappums rat,
Mini-Librarian 1 - Zeek
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
MattP 1 - PereV

Not Voting

It is now Day 1, with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

(expired on 2012-05-15 10:21:52)

till Day 1 Deadline

[MattP]

It is finals week for me and I just won't have time to finish reading past pg 12 until after finals.

I also don't have time to really delve into this game right now, since I'm in three games and it's a very busy week.

I will be much more active D2 and the night phase will give me time to catch up. I'm sorry everyone.

[Benmage]

Yeah idk about that one.

Well nonetheless, whats the most common scum role? RB. So don't softclaim so obviously please.