TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.09

Captain Haddock (3) - Amrun, Bub Bidderskins, Matias
Thestatusquo (3) - singersigner, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez
Johhog (2) - Regfan, Benmage
Benmage (1) - Johhog
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Llamarble
Matias (1) - Captain Haddock

Not Voting (2) - SocioPath, Thestatusquo

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 21, 2012, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[Amrun]

No, I said he wouldn't use it as a scum tactic. (I don't remember my exact wording, but that is what I meant.) I very specifically said several times that it isn't relevant to his alignment in my opinion.

Do you really think early day 1 townreads have to make sense together as a scumteam?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

191 is BS because Johhog's team mafia related dealings are one of the sketchiest things about him because he spends a lot of time talking about it and scum LOVE talking about things they can be honest about.

We're not really talking about the same thing. And I don't think think he's being honest about the specific dealings I'm talking about if he's scum. And your scum read on me is shallow, 'marble.

Your Amrunscumread sucks, Regfan.

SHEA-BENMAGE-LLAMARBLE 2012

[SocioPath]

Socio, what are your thoughts on Haddock

Looking at him isn't as important as looking at his wagon.
He is much finer than those that vote him.

and Jahudo?

Johhog, the way he responds to poking is going to be the determining factor here.

[Captain Haddock]

All this still holds. And when CES did move his vote he put it on a lurker, AKA more safevoting.

What about Matias just joining existing bandwagons? Isn't that safevoting?

Captain - Mediumtown

It'd probably be worthwhile to do a meta-check up on him and I'll likely do it in the next few days or so but I'd like it if someone else did it as well.

If you have time for that can you read my iso besides Matias' and comment? I even asked him his reason for voting CES and he didn't explain.

Or rather, things that you think doesn't make sense were explained.

He explained nothing. If you have the time try and read our ISO's quickly side by side.

Did anyone notice the size of my wagon? It makes me more sure I've caught scum.

I'd like your reads and thoughts on other players than Matias though because right now you're tunneling on him and I'm pretty positive he's town.

These reads are mine, not the teams: Zachrules town, CES quite towny, Johnhog slightly towny. Singer was fairly scummy but I will have a better read on her later. Bub is scummy because he played with me as "confirmed town" scum and his reason for voting me is: I voted Matias because

he might have a suspicion on me he's not pushing

! Amrun is less scummy but still scummy, a bit for her reason and I didn't like Amrun's question.

[Benmage]

CES

worst list ever?
-question. In 143 you call the bandwagon vote a meta null tell. In 147 it indicates its a town tell. Which is it?

I'm likely to believe our quasi truth tells for picking town right now.

[Benmage]

LLAMA you can't be scared just because of winvintational!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES

worst list ever?

I suspect I'd need to mention more than 3 names to be able to compete for that title.

-question. In 143 you call the bandwagon vote a meta null tell. In 147 it indicates its a town tell. Which is it?

Null tell. I had no reason to match my town meta in the offsite game.

[Benmage]

Well than, my initial reasoning for thinking you were town is no longer valid.

Who else is scum with you? I have an Amrun tingle.

(You didn't answer why I was scum btw)

[Benmage]

I also recently decided that this:

I decided that MetaMafia was

too hard for me

as I'm recently back to this site

.

Means town.

[Benmage]

Ooo probably not sameteam with that comment to Reg.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Who else is scum with you?

Shea and 'marble (hint: both of those are easier to get lynched, so focus on them?)

Re: #234, yes.

[Benmage]

Here's where I'm at:

Conftown via truth tells
Benmage
Zachrulez
singersigner

Most town looking
Regfan
Matias
Llamarble
Johhog

Other reasoning
SocioPath
Captain Haddock

Remainder:
Thestatusquo
Amrun
Bub Bidderskins
Cogito Ergo Sum

[Benmage]

(You didn't answer why I was scum btw)

[Benmage]

Oh and this game'll likely have an interesting endgame chat on prejoining positions on alignment and if its a truth tell or not(As I am believing them until shown otherwise). SEE the MD discussion on truthtells.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Eh. It's an inherent part of the Team Mafia set-up, nothing iffy about it. If Zor had wanted to avoid the issue, he could've just gone with not telling the teams what role they get.

(You didn't answer why I was scum btw)

Correct. Very observant of you.

[Benmage]

Eh. It's an inherent part of the Team Mafia set-up, nothing iffy about it. If Zor had wanted to avoid the issue,

he could've just gone with not telling the teams what role they get.

I forsee a new rule coming TM2013.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

*shrug* I know he considered it for this year, so obviously the otter has reasons for wanting to keep it this way.

[Regfan]

I know you're bad at reading me

, Regfan, but come the fuck on. lol

I just realized all the issues that I've had reading you ever has been based around games where I wasn't actually

in

the game but rather following on alongside (Winvitation + at least 10 or so others) but in the select 4-5 games I've played with you I don't think I've read you wrong, so where did you get the bolded from?

No, I said he wouldn't use it as a scum tactic. (I don't remember my exact wording, but that is what I meant.) I very specifically said several times that it isn't relevant to his alignment in my opinion.

Do you really think early day 1 townreads have to make sense together as a scumteam?

If he wouldn't use it as a scum tactic yet we know that he hasn't posted wouldn't that make him town? I really am not following your line of logic ending with it being a null-tell. Also can you rephrase your last line above because I don't understand it.

If you have time for that can you read my iso besides Matias' and comment? I even asked him his reason for voting CES and he didn't explain.

I'll re-look at it tomorrow when I wake up but be warned, even if you're right I don't think it'll change my mind. We have a strong meta town read on him.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Socio, what are your thoughts on Haddock

Looking at him isn't as important as looking at his wagon.
He is much finer than those that vote him.

and Jahudo?

Johhog

, the way he responds to poking is going to be the determining factor here.

I just realized that

And who on his wagon looks interesting to you? Come on Socio, get in the game here.

I really can't read Amrun, so I'm asking my QT for help. I relay that info back, but either way I think Haddock and Amrun are not scum together. Amrun started the whole wagon on Haddock. I don't see scum doing that on a buddy.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Haddock, what does your QT think about your reads?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I really can't read Amrun, so I'm asking my QT for help.

Why would you ask those suckers for help?

[Zachrulez]

I really can't read Amrun, so I'm asking my QT for help. I relay that info back, but either way I think Haddock and Amrun are not scum together. Amrun started the whole wagon on Haddock. I don't see scum doing that on a buddy.

They're both town. If there's scum on the wagon it would be Matias. Given the point Haddock brought up, I wouldn't expect scum to touch that wagon with a 10 foot pole. (Aside from Matias who would have a defensive motivation to do so.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

What does DDD think of Amrun, Zach?

[Zachrulez]

What does DDD think of Amrun, Zach?

Most of our back and forth in the QT so far has been agreement with my line of inquiry on Singer and support for my current scumreads. I made a note of the question in the QT and I'll let you know when he answers.