TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[hitogoroshi]

Anyway, a couple of quick questions for Quilford:

1. Is the conversation you had with DeasVail (turning the forum into a bit of a chat room) a normal playstyle for you?

2. Right now, do you have a second highest suspect in mind (below hito)?

I'll wait for the answers before I do anything else.

That's an awfully odd thing to say. What if someone had claimed scum while Quilford's answers were pending? Surely independent of Quilford

anyone else

could have done something worth commenting on?

My one question so far is the scum read on Ajax. Seems premature. Are some of these still RVS that haven't moved?

In what way does it seem premature?

Giving out judging groups is a bad idea because scum that aren't a part of one group can deduce who that group had to give their award to and figure out who optimal kill/block/dicksuck/whatever targets are

Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Knowing people who *can't* have PR X is a useful thing for the bad guys, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm with Reck here, let's not fullclaim. One representative saying "Our group is done" per group should be fine - don't even need to claim which group/number of people, as long as the claiming representatives happen early enough that every person has the chance to say 'hang on, I'm not spoken for.' Should we do that now, y'think?

Hito:

I did read Psychic Mafia, but there was nothing wrong with a quicklynch that game.

Yeah, exactly. That quicklynch was rad as balls. A quicklynch here would NOT be rad as balls, regardless of the targets alignment. Hence my first post expounding on such.

I know some people like to look at the times people are active and lurkerhunt and shit based on that, so in the interests of full disclosure: I'm currently drifting towards a nocturnal sleep pattern because classes are out and it's my natural baseline. It's noon here and I'm going to bed pretty soon, so waking up at like, 9 pm? So yeah, my 'time zone' is GMT, but don't pull any 'Why is hito lurking during the afternoon?', cause I am asleep that is why I am lurking.

[hitogoroshi]

Sorry Faraday, I'm not gonna let you be as smooth as Equinox. </3

[DeasVail]

I know some people like to look at the times people are active and lurkerhunt and shit based on that, so in the interests of full disclosure: I'm currently drifting towards a nocturnal sleep pattern because classes are out and it's my natural baseline. It's noon here and I'm going to bed pretty soon, so waking up at like, 9 pm? So yeah, my 'time zone' is GMT, but don't pull any 'Why is hito lurking during the afternoon?', cause I am asleep that is why I am lurking.

Ugh. This is scummy.

[hitogoroshi]

I'm used to getting shit for being nocturnal but that's honestly a new one.

[DeasVail]

I'm used to getting shit for being nocturnal but that's honestly a new one.

I'm used to people misunderstanding me but...

[Quilford]

Yeah, it's pretty instinctive to think what hito said is scummy. Announcing why you might not be posting in advance seems cheap and overdefensive. But it's really just the same thing as claiming V/LA, minus the official-ness. It's not a scumtell.

[DeasVail]

Yeah, it's pretty instinctive to think what hito said is scummy. Announcing why you might not be posting in advance seems cheap and overdefensive. But it's really just the same thing as claiming V/LA, minus the official-ness. It's not a scumtell.

Hmm, I disagree. From what I've seen claiming V/LA is for more than a day or two of absence and is often just something people do because it's standard rather than thinking "I better say I'm going V/LA just in case people think I'm scummy for lurking." I could be wrong, but I don't relate to that attitude.

If he had said something like "by the way, my posting will probably be quite nocturnal because my sleeping hours are weird", I wouldn't have thought it scummy. To me, it's over-explained and with the intention of avoiding being asked about it, which wouldn't be a problem (from my point of view anyway) , as it's not like he'll be posting much less/have less time to devote.

[Quilford]

Fair enough. But say he's had to explain it before. Is it less of a scumtell?

I know some people like to look at the times people are active and lurkerhunt and shit based on that

Did you have anyone in particular in mind?

[Trojan Horse]

Anyway, a couple of quick questions for Quilford:

1. Is the conversation you had with DeasVail (turning the forum into a bit of a chat room) a normal playstyle for you?

2. Right now, do you have a second highest suspect in mind (below hito)?

I'll wait for the answers before I do anything else.

That's an awfully odd thing to say. What if someone had claimed scum while Quilford's answers were pending? Surely independent of Quilford

anyone else

could have done something worth commenting on?

You're really stretching things here. Of course someone else could have done something worth commenting on. You're taking my casual language and turning it into an absolute.

I noticed one other thing: when you cast your vote for me, hito, we were tied for the most votes with 2 each. Your vote put me in the lead at 3. Looks like you were trying to take heat of yourself by making someone else the official bandwagon. I didn't think you deserved the heat at first, but now I wonder.

Vote: hitogoroshi

[Captain Ajax]

Mod edit: I edited in TH's previous post here

Spoiler: Previous Post Posted on Correct Account

Anyway, a couple of quick questions for Quilford:

1. Is the conversation you had with DeasVail (turning the forum into a bit of a chat room) a normal playstyle for you?

2. Right now, do you have a second highest suspect in mind (below hito)?

I'll wait for the answers before I do anything else.

That's an awfully odd thing to say. What if someone had claimed scum while Quilford's answers were pending? Surely independent of Quilford

anyone else

could have done something worth commenting on?

You're really stretching things here. Of course someone else could have done something worth commenting on. You're taking my casual language and turning it into an absolute.

I noticed one other thing: when you cast your vote for me, hito, we were tied for the most votes with 2 each. Your vote put me in the lead at 3. Looks like you were trying to take heat of yourself by making someone else the official bandwagon. I didn't think you deserved the heat at first, but now I wonder.

Vote: hitogoroshi

Bah.

Vote: hitogoroshi

This is ridiculous. I'm acting like Katsuki here.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, Votecount 3

Kublai Khan (1) - theamatuer

Captain Ajax (4) - MagnaofIllusion, hitogoroshi, Quilford, DeasVail

Quilford (2) - BBmolla, xRECKONERx
theamatuer (1) - Kublai Khan
Zar (1) - The Fonz
Gaoth (2) - Zar, T-Bone
hitogoroshi (1) - Captain Ajax

Not voting

(1) : Gaoth

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

21st of May at 11:50pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-05-21 23:50:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: (expired on 2012-05-13 23:50:00)

[Captain Ajax]

Oh, by the way: I read Quilford's answers, and I'm satisfied with them. I'm sure that was understood, but I better make that explicit, or hito will probably jump on that too...

[Zar]

Giving out judging groups is a bad idea because scum that aren't a part of one group can deduce who that group had to give their award to and figure out who optimal kill/block/dicksuck/whatever targets are

What exactly is your angle here Reckoner?

Pretty sure it's safe to assume there's a non-zero chance of scum being assigned to whichever judging categories are out there. They're probably able to narrow their threat pool by discussing their judging teams off-thread once the night comes.

[theamatuer]

DV, i think you might be slightly biased here IMO.
They seem to be buddying each other quite obviously. This, I believe, is because exactly one of the two is scum: the scum wants the defense from the town, and it'll lead to incriminating evidence once the scum flips

vote: Quilford

[The Fonz]

Except, DeasVail wasn't referencing "too townie" scum at all. The "too townie" idea is that a player is acting so town (and, generally, surviving too long into the game) that your brain starts to trick you into thinking that they're scum -- they're just doing everything so correctly and/or going unpunished for it. Often, it's valid. But DeasVail was talking about scum trying

too hard

to look town; in Hito's case, by stating the obvious.

I agree with you on this part, but it seems to me like Captain Ajax just applied the terminology incorrectly, rather than misunderstood what DV was alleging. Hito's post was quite Vollkanesque, thinking about it.

Fonz:

I don't see why I have to say it straight away either. Why did you not delete your vote for me?

It gives insight into my thought process. Do you normally do that - go through and remove your reactions to earlier posts if a later post makes you change your mind? Seems weird. I think 'DeasVail did something that could have been scummy but then did something that made me think it probably wasn't' is more useful content than saying nothing at all.

The reason I think posting something along the lines of 'Yeah I think X is scummy' and not saying why right at the start of the game (but not later) is bad is that in early game, you're trying to create a real, issues based discussion. If you say why, people can respond to it, critique your argument, or you might convince people to join you and get a real wagon rolling. If you don't, you can't.

What exactly is your angle here Reckoner?

Pretty sure it's safe to assume there's a non-zero chance of scum being assigned to whichever judging categories are out there. They're probably able to narrow their threat pool by discussing their judging teams off-thread once the night comes.

There's a nonzero chance they are in all the groups, there's a nonzero chance there's a group without a scum. It allows scum to do PoE: Well, we killed a power role that was in that judging group, that means the other power role from that day won't be in the surviving town players of that group. In the scenario where one but not all groups are scum-free, that's a bad thing.

[Zar]

I doubt Gaoth read any of the game at all.

Do you agree with the Gaoth votes, then?

the first page exchange between DV & Quil is really fucking gay

lol
Keeping my vote where it is to sheep Reck.

Do you, or do you not suspect quilford?

[The Fonz]

Also, the idea that defending other players is inherently scummy is the most ridiculous thing I've read in relation to mafia in years.

[Zar]

I see myself agreeing with what Fonz is saying a lot. I see town intent on his contributions and see him involved in discussions and taking a pro-active leadership position. He's my strongest town-read so far.

[xRECKONERx]

Giving out judging groups is a bad idea because scum that aren't a part of one group can deduce who that group had to give their award to and figure out who optimal kill/block/dicksuck/whatever targets are

What exactly is your angle here Reckoner?

Pretty sure it's safe to assume there's a non-zero chance of scum being assigned to whichever judging categories are out there. They're probably able to narrow their threat pool by discussing their judging teams off-thread once the night comes.

I have an angle for not wanting to give scum more information than they need?

Also the second half of your post makes literally zero fucking sense because it's just a bunch of pseudo-intelligent babble that means nothing in the end. Scum can discuss all they want, but if they don't have the actual information of who are in what groups, it denies them information. Plain and simple.

I don't know much about what else is going on... for anyone who's been following it, my home state kind of gave me the massive finger last night and told me I was a second-class citizen, so at the moment, organizing a resistance is taking precedence over mafia games. I will also be out of town on

V/LA Friday through Monday

due to my boyfriend's sister's law school graduation in Washington DC.

Mod: since I will be so out of it for about the next 5-6 days, would you prefer I find a temporary replacement?

[xRECKONERx]

Obviously I'll keep trying to check in but I'm not going to be able to be as active in this D1 as I want to be.

Quilford isn't scum though, I was wrong.

Unvote.

[Zar]

Also the second half of your post makes literally zero fucking sense because it's just a bunch of pseudo-intelligent babble that means nothing in the end. Scum can discuss all they want, but if they don't have the actual information of who are in what groups, it denies them information. Plain and simple.

Bear with my pseudo-intelligent mind, but how does considering the possibility of scum being a judge in a group, and therefore their team knowing what Scummie award was given out in a given category make no fucking sense? The whole team would obviously know who is definitely NOT the recipient of that award before deciding their target for the night.

[xRECKONERx]

Because votes for award recipients are private?

Because it's possible for one group to have zero scum in it?

Is this really so fucking difficult?

[BBmolla]

BBmolla: What is your read on Quil? (excluding influence from Reck) Also, explain the "wat".

It was null enough to explore a wagon.

Do you agree with the Gaoth votes, then?

Yep.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gaoth

If one of DV/Quil is scum, I'd have to say it's DV atm.

[xRECKONERx]

I agree with the above.

[Kublai Khan]

VOTE: theamatuer
1) OMGUS
2) policy
3) xRECKONERx-buddying

Oh hey. Don't you think the Reck buddying makes him town?

No? Why would I think that?

Also it occurs to me that nobody selected for the first round of judging is likely going to get selected for the second round. So single-representatives are fine, but no full-group reveals. Not until Day 3. Just to be safe.

What makes you think this at all?

Because I'm an idiot.

Before I say anything else (and I realize that I'm outing myself but,) Is there anyone who isn't a scummie judge?

Also, why is Quilford ignoring theamatuer?

@DeasVail - Do you prefer being scum to being town?