NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[kdowns]

How does Mastin know there is two scum teams? Or is there something I haven't read yet?

[Maxous]

I'd usually say Pine being fed up is a towntell, but I've seen scum act that way before, so am avoiding thinking it town. I think he's an alright wagon. RedFF not so much, but don't care about my opinion on him. I really don't mind the idea of Mastin as scum because of his desire to change his playstyle, while still (seemingly) sticking to the same way of playing.

Can I get a quick list of who you think the scum is? Your strongest suspects.
It's not entirely clear since.. you're saying many lynches are

okay

Don't really need them explained if you don't want, just names.

Mastin, stop being such a drama queen; It's suspicious that you are playing a massive noob card while simultaneously backing away from all of your previous reads (and thus, content).

I think that Mastin "wiping the slate clean" is suspicious because it releases him from all previous commitments he has made. We catch scum overtime in isolation; and he is basically cutting everything up to this point off with a few exceptions and wanting to start over.

And hypothetically why do you think Mastin-scum would of felt the need to cut himself off from previous ties? Why bother?

The Nero v StrangerCoug discussion is a lot of talking without saying much.

Yeah, I don't get what thier points are either.

#1164 and #1170: I could have sworn mastin2 was in Mafia 91, which had two teams of four, under his original account. I'd have to double-check that game, though, and it was a 30-player game instead of a 24-player game anyway.

even if he was, why is this scummy?
Admitally I have'nt went through all your links but this was the main point about why mastin is scum that I could find.

[Maxous]

Junpei never said he thought Benmage was faking.

Yeah, but he did'nt say it was because Benmage forgot either. You just assumed it.
Which was your case.

Also:

WTF? Your case is to point out how amazingly hyper-aware I am of the vote count and who the major wagons are on while quoting me asking for the mod to post a votecount.

So you are saying you were'nt aware that Mastin and Junpei were the two highest wagons? Or at least 2 of the 3 highest?

And yeah, Junpei's suspicion of KK amounts to little more than gut feeling -considering no examples of KK being ungenuine about Mastin - and saying KK is defending Mastin is quite a big stretch.

You know we could just all vote shotty...

We could all vote the mod too, but that doesn't mean we are going to.

Post reason(s) red is scum...

1. Psyche----Quite beginner town, feeling overwhelmed. (Couldddddd be lost scum, but thinking the latter)

Do you mean the former?

SSC, whats your opinion on rack?

Dead. Your name can be added to the "not gonna cry if this person gets lynched" list for not reading.

There a reason you keep avoiding everything that anyone asks/requests of you?

Are you saying he should give an opinion on a flipped town?
The hell is that avoiding?

Again, these Nero-SC debates are going way over my head.

[PeregrineV]

OhGodMyLife replaces Firestarter

[Nero Cain]

How does Mastin know there is two scum teams? Or is there something I haven't read yet?

Why do you not care about the votes on you?

SSC, whats your opinion on rack?

Dead. Your name can be added to the "not gonna cry if this person gets lynched" list for not reading.

There a reason you keep avoiding everything that anyone asks/requests of you?

Are you saying he should give an opinion on a flipped town?
The hell is that avoiding?

no

Just b/c those posts are in succession doesn't mean they are related. I had asked some questions of SC and Ben had asked SC for some links. Instead of answering my questions or providing Ben with the links. He attacks Ben.

This makes no sense as he already gave an opinion on Rack so your point is lost on me.

[Maxous]

Is drmyshottyizsik usually this useless?

Is Code_X usually this useless?

Why is he being useless? Because he suspects you?
And yeah, colour me sceptical that you wanted backed-up facts about why shotty is being useless, why did you even ask for them?

Nero's case on TML is quite good, actually.
TML's response is poor also... I would support the wagon if it becomes viable.
Considerably better than Mastin/Junpei lynch.

So I wouldn't mind offing lurkers to try and keep scum active and not lurking.

Pine is a good candidate for this. So is FG.

That my sense of humor is shot is conceded, but joking around claiming you are a certain role in a Mafia game is like joking around claiming you have a bomb at an airport. You cannot do either without serious repercussions. I stand by my vote, no matter how unpopular.

So do you actually think he is scum or what?

kdowns replaced Macros right? Maybe we should see if Mastin's theory is correct.

Unvote
Vote: KDowns

Can you explain how any of this makes sense? Why are you following your scum read's theory again?

[mastin2]

In case the Palisade brigade failed,

Mod: V/LA due to access issues

. Should be able to post 'cept on weekends, though I don't have enough time to read ten pages (I need to start from 59) today. (I will tomorrow.)

[OhGodMyLife]

Hey y'all. I'm just reading day two for now, because the deadline is imminent. Just a few pages in and I'm immediately suspicious of everyone trying to discredit shotgun. Dude is town. Only scum want to un-confirm a confirmed town.

Vote: Junpei

[Nero Cain]

So I wouldn't mind offing lurkers to try and keep scum active and not lurking.

Pine is a good candidate for this. So is FG.

But not kdowns?

*waves to LLD*

I SEE U!!!

[OhGodMyLife]

Also somebody tell me who actually made a case on Rack yesterday and who was just bandwagoning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So I wouldn't mind offing lurkers to try and keep scum active and not lurking.

Pine is a good candidate for this. So is FG.

But not kdowns?

*waves to LLD*

I SEE U!!!

Hi! Playing Team Mafia. Reading 4 games. You know, busy stuff.

Let me see what's happened here.

[Nero Cain]

can you be arsed to gimmie your read on FG?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey y'all. I'm just reading day two for now, because the deadline is imminent. Just a few pages in and I'm immediately suspicious of everyone trying to discredit shotgun. Dude is town. Only scum want to un-confirm a confirmed town.

Vote: Junpei

This is a excellent vote. Please keep up the good work fine sir.

[Kublai Khan]

Junpei never said he thought Benmage was faking.

Yeah, but he did'nt say it was because Benmage forgot either. You just assumed it.
Which was your case.

I didn't assume anything. If he had expressed the slightest doubt that one of his biggest scumreads was faking being dumb, then that would be an awesome towntell on Junpei's part.

Instead, he "knew" that Benmage was faking with scum-like certainty.

WTF? Your case is to point out how amazingly hyper-aware I am of the vote count and who the major wagons are on while quoting me asking for the mod to post a votecount.

So you are saying you were'nt aware that Mastin and Junpei were the two highest wagons? Or at least 2 of the 3 highest?

Not really. I knew nobody was currently close to a lynch and that mastin2 and Junpei had votes on them, but I had no idea what the votecount looked like.

[mastin2]

So a funny thing happened: for like the first time ever, I actually had an hour MORE than what I thought, rather than an hour LESS.

I've done some browsing, but, uh...well, lotsa townreads are acting like scum and a few scumreads are acting like town, so I kinda need to read again and make sense of stuff.

kdowns (Macros) continues to maybe be scum, but the Khan-Junpei exchange just reads as way too intense bussing (especially if I'm right about it being multiscum) for it to actually be bussing. TML's Pine vote also kinda puts a dampener on my TML-Pine(-shotty) scumteam theory, and the wagon on Pine doesn't really seem apetizing for some reason, though I'll need to check the names on it to make sure. Of the two, Pine looks better than TML.

So, put simply: still have relatively strong scumread on TML and shotty, have a weaker scumread on kdowns, Junpei and Khan definitely contains one scum but not sure about both, and Pine might not be scum, so when I have more time, I need to look things over again.

[Maxous]

Just b/c those posts are in succession doesn't mean they are related. I had asked some questions of SC and Ben had asked SC for some links. Instead of answering my questions or providing Ben with the links. He attacks Ben.

This makes no sense as he already gave an opinion on Rack so your point is lost on me.

Would of been more clear if you quoted ben asking for the links but I digress.

And no, I don't wanna lynch kdowns atm.

I understand Pine is unmotovated and unable to fully keep up with the game etc. but apathy does'nt explain his bad thoughtless 'fakeclaim' accusations towards Rack and shotgun and his scooby scumread.
It's not town, no matter how lazy you're being.

I should prob go more into detail the next day.
But you don't think "he is scum claiming VT and asking for a mod clarification." without realising the idea of scum doing that is weird.
And I agree with Shotgun of questioning why Pine just did'nt ask the mod does he consider mason a PR first instead of advocating his lynch.

In short, he is looking for things to pick at and call scummy instead of thinking his suspicions through..that's the general point.

P-edit:
KK, I don't get it. Junpei did'nt previously call benmage scum

[mastin2]

1. Psyche <--Prob-town. I eliminated him, and nothing I see makes me think that should change.
2. Kublai Khan <--Reassessing.
3. scooby <--Prob-town. Not as much as Psyche above, but still gives off uncommitted town vibes.
4. FakeGod <--Reassessing.
5. OhGodMyLife <--I eliminated Firestarter, and OGML's entrance into the game was quite strong, so most likely town.
6. The Mini-Librarian <--Prob-scum.
8. DeasVail <--Reassessing.
9. kdowns <--Might-be-scum.
10. Code_X <--Prob-town.
11. Benmage <--Was near the top of my townlist if memory serves; need to take another look.
12. Pine <--Ditto. Reassessing.
13. drmyshottyizsik <--Prob-scum.
14. HezLucky <--Prob-town.
15. drmyshotgun <--Conf-town.
16. Nero Cain <--Prob-town. His posting's getting stronger and stronger.
17. redFF <--Good-as-conf-town.
20. Lady Lambdadelta <--Prob-town. Her posting continues to look good.
21. Junpei <--Reassessing, but prob-scum.
22. Maxous <--Eliminated, and I don't think that needs changing.
24. StrangerCoug <--Prob-town due to GreyICE.

On the bright side, I'll have all of tonight to dream of the game and ponder it when I'm more awake. And furthermore, tomorrow after I've actually done that, I won't have to waste as much time getting caught up so will have more time to work out the above.

[HezLucky]

Hey Mastin. Did anyone ask you for your reads? No? Then why are you giving them. Other than an attempt to try and look town I can't for the life of me understand the purpose behind your post (O LETS GIVE MORE INFORMATION TO THE MAFIAZ)

Junpei is an EXCELLENT lynch. And if we have a townwagon flip today we are lynching from the people on that wagon tomorrow.

[Psyche]

And if we have a townwagon flip today we are lynching from the people on that wagon tomorrow.

What an excellent reason to lynch a townie.

[HezLucky]

And if we have a townwagon flip today we are lynching from the people on that wagon tomorrow.

What an excellent reason to lynch a townie.

I'm not surprised by this post given that it is coming from a mafia.

[HezLucky]

And if we have a townwagon flip today we are lynching from the people on that wagon tomorrow.

What an excellent reason to lynch a townie.

I'm not surprised by this post given that it is coming from a mafia.

Actually I take this back you're more likely misguided town.

[Psyche]

And if we have a townwagon flip today we are lynching from the people on that wagon tomorrow.

What an excellent reason to lynch a townie.

I'm not surprised by this post given that it is coming from a mafia.

Actually I take this back you're more likely misguided town.

Misguided? I'm not really pushing in any specific direction.

[HezLucky]

That's not the point. I'm trying to determine your alignment based on your tone to me in that one post.

[Psyche]

That's not the point. I'm trying to determine your alignment based on your tone to me in that one post.

That seems like a disingenuous explanation given that 1719 implies that you already found me scum before reading the post (which then corroborated said view).

[HezLucky]

That's not the point. I'm trying to determine your alignment based on your tone to me in that one post.

That seems like a disingenuous explanation given that 1719 implies that you already found me scum before reading the post (which then corroborated said view).

Actually, I did.

Go look at my post with a lot of reads.