TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Porochaz]

MoS, you do that, I vote for you.

Glork isn't playing his town game here.

Was there a particular post, or is this an overall thing?

You should read my posts addressed to him.

[Haylen]

I think Cooldog is town.

Your defense is like a billion times STRONGER than it was in LyLo in Scummies WINvitational, and that freaks me the fuck out, because THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE THEN, AND YOU COULDN'T BE ARSED TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

In the Scummies Winvitational, I didn't have 3 people in a quicktopic who I didn't want to let down. I also, apparently, can't handle large theme games.

This one gets me, because the answer should be obvious.
But Haylen isn't GIVING it.

What? I don't understand what you're saying. What answer haven't I given that I should have? Grey said he only misreads me as scum, so I voted for him. Because he claims to only be wrong about me as scum.

Mastins Mafia
Mind Screw V. Flay and Ani say using that game as an example of anything is silly.
Oxymoron Mafia. I was a hydra here.

Oh, I might have been scum in Sykedoc's large theme before the crash when I was playing under Player 15 but I think I was town. I don't have any record of that game in my PM's, a thread or anything.

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

It's just one way of making a case. You are not refuted it or defending yourself against it. Why is this?

That thread.
Was not.
About anything.
From Buffy Mafia.
I thought it had been agreed that people misconstrued what I was saying. Thus I shall be ignoring any comments making reference to that.
I never read the thread after I replaced out, so I never found out who was scum. Do you seriously expect me to be able to remember every alignment of every player in every game I've played? Particularly games in which I have replaced out?

I had forgotten Multiple Personality Mafia.

Fluff between Murasa and GreyICE. Nice way to spam up the thread.

Whoever still thinks Haylen might be town hasn't read GreyICE's posts.

Whoever still thinks Uber might be town hasn't read Uberninja's posts.

Leaning town on Jason and Prozac.

I like Zach. He should keep talking, he's shown an ability to consistantly read me in past games.

Grey and Peregrine: I want a full list of reads on each player for you.

The scum read on Haylen comes from Grey's line of logic

What logic, Slaxx?

I'm not 'derping along without putting thought into this', I'm voting Haylen precisely BECAUSE she said nothing like what you suggest here.

I don't get what you're saying here either.

[quote=''Iam"]3) hasn't got enough attention, frankly. Talking about the number of scum on your wagon without putting any effort towards identifying who on the wagon is scum is not scumhunting.[/quote]
I thought that was obvious through my reads at the time. Uber and one of GreyICE or Slaxx.

Haylen was saying that GreyICE was scum, but also trying to convince him that his read was wrong.

Actually, I was trying to convince everyone he was talking bullcrap and thus is town.

[Mastermind of Sin]

MoS, you do that, I vote for you.

Glork isn't playing his town game here.

Was there a particular post, or is this an overall thing?

You should read my posts addressed to him.

LoL, so basically you would vote me for sheeping Glork because he's not playing his town game, rather than voting Glork for not playing his town game?

HMMMMMM

[CooLDoG]

I dunno, CD. Have you read Mastermind of Scum?

is the joke that he hasn't posted? He has posted but no content. I guess that could be considered lurking. I just don't think lurking alone should be enough for a lynch. Making scummy posts AND lurking should be auto lynch.

pedit-@CoolDog-The two I mentioned so far, and mostly gut. But, I do think that people have to active lurk to lurk in this game. Aside from you playing it, your team mates would be on your ass to get in the thread if it came to it, so lurking in team games is much more suspicious.

Not true. Seeing as lurking is a legitimate scum tactic we could still see it tactically used here.

Also, I'm probably just going to sheep Glork until I feel like doing something else. I don't feel like voting though but I'll just agree with whatever he says cuz he's in the groove.

Why don't you feel like playing the game with us?

The explanation here sounds more like "overdefensiveness is counterproductive" than "overdefensiveness is a scumtell". When can overdefensiveness be applied as a scumtell?

When it becomes apparent that a player's only concern is to stay alive and will do so over scum hunting.When defending takes more time than scum hunting then it is a scum tell. And when the player makes defenses for arguments that haven't been made yet in order to cover his or her ass.

I normally go on a case by case basis, and part of it is the way the defense reads. Casually sweeping away arguments because they take time away from your scum hunting is the mark of a town player who wants to lynch scum. Getting red faced and making wall after wall about one or two arguments is scum.

Mind Screw V. Flay and Ani say using that game as an example of anything is silly.
Oxymoron Mafia. I was a hydra here.

Stopped reading here. If you are going to make silly meta arguments at least have decent meta. Damn, I thought a winner of a scummy would be better than this...

[Haylen]

I was asked for my most recent scum games and I gave them. The last two were about a year ago when I was playing really really badly. I think I've got it back since then.

Do you consider lurking scummy? Or just active lurking?

[GreyICE]

Oh hey
Haylen
Is scum
With PV

Glork I dun wanna do Blood Bowl here, but Haylen's gotta die dude

[Haylen]

Why?

[GreyICE]

'cause lynching scum is my win condition and I feel like winning.

[Haylen]

The amount of logic in your explanation is so overwhelming that I think I'm going to rip off my clothes and scream to the heavens 'GREYICE IS AWESOME, WORSHIP HIM FOR ETERNITY, WORLD.'

[GreyICE]

You'd be shocked how often women do that for me. And a few men too, hey, I'm flexible.

So I mean PV as your buddy, how much did that one suck? It's not like your other pal is helping you out any.

[Haylen]

The only buddies I've got are Quilford, Parama and Katsuki.

[Slaxx]

You'd be shocked how often women do that for me. And a few men too, hey, I'm flexible.

ಠ_ಠ

Explain the connection to me, grey. I had Pere-scum but Reg convinced me otherwise and I was finally warming up to Pere-town, especially after his last post.

[Glork]

MoS, you do that, I vote for you.

Glork isn't playing his town game here.

Was there a particular post, or is this an overall thing?

You should read my posts addressed to him.

LoL, so basically you would vote me for sheeping Glork because he's not playing his town game, rather than voting Glork for not playing his town game?

HMMMMMM

Oh thank god.

For a bit I was worried you were scumsheeping me.

But yeah.

Unvote

[Haylen]

Grey: Your avatar is kind of cute, though. I'd give it a go with him. Congrats, I am now internet dating your avatar.

[GreyICE]

@ Slaxx: What you mean the one where he tells me his team has reads but he's not going to share them because he needs the team to quickly fabricate those reads for him in the QT and they haven't done it yet?
Or the one where he pokes Porochaz, probably the least likable person in this game for attacking Glork, who is probably the person least likely to be lynched day 1 on this entire player list.

Herp derp.

@Haylen: That's Lain, of Serial Experiments: Lain~

[Glork]

Thank you, Haylen.

post 561, Foolish Fool"]

Actually, Purple, scum don't always stress over the placement of buddies on a list. I actively try to get my scumbuddies lynched as early as possible...it makes me feel like an SK...

[/quote]Thaaaaat's EXACTLY what I was looking for.

This quote is from Haylen's side of the hydra in Oxymoron Mafia.

HAYLENSCUM META CONFIRMED.


Which, sadly, means both Grey and Haylen are protown. Well, they have the same alignment, anyway. And I'm leaning protown on that, because Grey is playing a pretty typical GreyTown so far, and I don't doubt the legitimacy of his provided team-reads at this point.

[Glork]

Thank you, Haylen.

Actually, Purple, scum don't always stress over the placement of buddies on a list. I actively try to get my scumbuddies lynched as early as possible...it makes me feel like an SK...

Thaaaaat's EXACTLY what I was looking for.

This quote is from Haylen's side of the hydra in Oxymoron Mafia.

HAYLENSCUM META CONFIRMED.


Which, sadly, means both Grey and Haylen are protown. Well, they have the same alignment, anyway. And I'm leaning protown on that, because Grey is playing a pretty typical GreyTown so far, and I don't doubt the legitimacy of his provided team-reads at this point.

EBWOP: Fixed. Oh god, quote tags.

[Slaxx]

K well don't shoot the messenger but Reg is telling me Pere's honesty about not having shit to say early +his spiel about overcoming bis reads as town.

Reg is saying Iam+Haylen+a lurker right now.

[Slaxx]

bias*

bias.

[Slaxx]

Before anyone asks I did, Reg says IAm's L-1 on Haylen was an attempt at towncred and seemed to be not-genuine/town motivated.

[Glork]

K well don't shoot the messenger but Reg is telling me Pere's honesty about not having shit to say early +his spiel about overcoming bis reads as town.

Reg is saying Iam+Haylen+a lurker right now.

Lukewarm on Haylen, but I could totes go for an Iamlynch here. "A lurker" seems right, too. If I have a gun, it's pointed at DeltaWave right now.

Vote: iamausername

[Glork]

Before anyone asks I did, Reg says IAm's L-1 on Haylen was an attempt at towncred and seemed to be not-genuine/town motivated.

Also, Post 51. Don't forget Post 51.

[GreyICE]

So Glork
Team Mafia
The scum team totes loses points if scum gets lynched day 1
Cuts down the odds of bussing severely
Discuss

[Glork]

Aware of this.

Really don't give a rat's ass.

regardless of the you/Haylen situation, iamusername has an extremely high probability of being a dirty scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Y'know if Haylen flips scum and you're like 'lolvotegreyice' tomorrow I'm ripping your head off and mounting it on a pike, right?

Actually I may just do that if Haylen flips scum, pretty much period.