TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Glork]

Let me put it this way, Grey: If I were scum, I'd consider busing like shit for the exact reason you posted. Getting a win is the most important thing, because without a win, not-busing-your-buddy-D1 means literally nothing.

I would especially consider busing Haylen, after Scummies WINvitational. She's proven to be pretty useless, and potential LyLo fodder. You can ask MoI on this one (and whoever has Benmage can ask him about that, too). IF she is scum, I guarantee any active scumbuddy would have been on that L-1 wagon. 100%, money in the bank.

[Slaxx]

I like this guy

I just don't get why he isn't voting Haylen

[Glork]

Y'know if Haylen flips scum and you're like 'lolvotegreyice' tomorrow I'm ripping your head off and mounting it on a pike, right?

Actually I may just do that if Haylen flips scum, pretty much period.

If she flips scum today, I'll already be paying potential tiebreaker points. *shrug*

[Glork]

Y'know if Haylen flips scum and you're like 'lolvotegreyice' tomorrow I'm ripping your head off and mounting it on a pike, right?

Actually I may just do that if Haylen flips scum, pretty much period.

If she flips scum today, I'll already be paying potential tiebreaker points. *shrug*

Actually, check that. It looks like, if I'm voting scum who is not lynched at Day's End, I just get nothing.

[Slaxx]

Wow, didn't even notice that.

[Glork]

So Slaxx, who are Haylen's scumbuddies in YOUR opinion, not Reg's/team's opinion?

[GreyICE]

You're stapling your town read on me to a town read on haylen.

I don't like it. Scum know everyone's alignments, and I really, really don't have a town read on Haylen, if you follow.

PEdit: Glooorrrkkkkk

[Glork]

You're stapling your town read on me to a town read on haylen.

I don't like it. Scum know everyone's alignments, and I really, really don't have a town read on Haylen, if you follow.

PEdit: Glooorrrkkkkk

It's more the opposite.

I have a strong town read on you, a slight town read on Haylen, and the idea that if either of you were scum, you would be busing someone.

I'm probably not making much sense, am I?

[GreyICE]

Headpike if you vote me tomorrow, Glork~

[Slaxx]

Probably not Jason: Seems awfully early to go that strong after scumbuddies.
Probably not UN: This doesn't look like distancing, also this
Sorry to burst your bubble Glork, but I don't see Grey bussing Haylen. Not because of Grey or Haylen individually but because of their interactions this
game.

the exchange between Murasa and Haylen looks really unnatural, I can see them being partners.

Particularlythis.

I think CoolDog defends Haylen almost a little too vehemently, so I am gonna say no for now.
Delta is possible, not for sure whether to take the first post as distancing or town on scum. Could go either way. Like you said, I'd have a gun pointed at him.
IAm works, I trust Reg that much there.
Pere works as per Grey, though if youre askign my opinion I'm still leaning town on Pere. I think.
Porochaz also works, If I red post #209 right he is discounting Grey's case as a personal vendetta against haylen.

[Slaxx]

Glork I hope parrots eat your intestines.

So tldr:

No: GreyICE, Jason, UN
The fuck if I know: Everyone else.
Possibly: Iam, Poro, Delta, Murasa

[UberNinja]

Wait I get points if I'm in on the lynch? What the hell

[Mastermind of Sin]

CD, I am playing the game.

[GreyICE]

Is your strategy to not vote until we get fed up with you and wagon you at which point you'll cleverly determine all the scum by figuring out which players think it's really scummy to not vote and do nothing for the entire game?

Because if it is, please don't

[hasdgfas]

Haylen(4): UberNinja, GreyICE, DeltaWave, iamausername
Captain Murasa(3): PeregrineV, Porochaz, jasonT1981
Uberninja(2): Haylen, CooLDoG
jasonT1981(1): Captain Murasa
iamausername(1): Glork

Not Voting: Mastermind of Sin, Slaxx

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 21.

[Captain Murasa]

Alright, I'm here and I'm reading up again. I'll get to answering Poro and his questions soon, if anyone else has questions they want me to answer then feel free to ask.

[Captain Murasa]

@Porochaz: Post the questions again and I'll answer them and do the specifics after I come home from school.

Nope. Need evidence you are reading the game.

Ok so I worked out why Murasa was bugging me. There is nothing in them. Opinions without any weight behind them. (and them being fucking absolutes, a pet hate, but particularly this early in the game), a lot of fluff, no analysis, no info. Just making useless statements or in other words, posting lots, saying little.

I also meant to change my vote last post to UN but I am going to

vote Murasa

I'm assuming you mean these?

Also yeah I'm going through ISO's right now and I'll quote stuff I find scummy.

[Captain Murasa]

CooLDoG:

Let's not go down the meta happy trail. I have seen a trend in team mafia where people go supper crazy over last years meta (check almost normal, I think). This ends here. Scum can hide behind these bullshit meta arguments and I'm not going to let this game divulge into "I can quote more games than you! HA, you are scum".

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Over defensiveness is a scum tell. I don't think it can necessarily be applied here, but if one paragraph can refute an argument just as well as a 5 paragraph wall, use the one paragrapgh. Hold off all of the links if you are pressed. It makes the game easier to read and harder for scum to hide.

I thought this was kinda scummy because he's kinda parroting what everyone else said but changing the wording a bit to make it look like he wasn't.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I found this townie because it really sounds like something a townie would say in that context.

[Porochaz]

MoS, you do that, I vote for you.

Glork isn't playing his town game here.

Was there a particular post, or is this an overall thing?

You should read my posts addressed to him.

LoL, so basically you would vote me for sheeping Glork because he's not playing his town game, rather than voting Glork for not playing his town game?

HMMMMMM

Yeah it doesn't make much sense does it...


No idea whats going on with this formatting and scrolling functions here (I can't see what Im typing), I am on my mums computer and she like internet explorer... so if this posts comes out bollocks thats why....

You need to read the game, or at least sheep someone else. Glork is not a good sheep at the moment. Even reading glork in iso, you will find that he isn't being as reasoned as usual. His vote on UN for instance was based on a meta that UN himself posted in mafia discussion.

[UberNinja]

Glork, I'm really not sure what your goal is here.

[Captain Murasa]

GreyICE:

Vote: Haylen

Hi Haylen

You've inned to one mini normal that our team found in the past two years. Quilford plays them all the goddamn time.

But Quilford is the sort of person you'd never in a million years give a scum PM to. You, on the other hand, prefer it.

Discuss.

At the end.

Of a noose.

This is probably the only GreyICE post I find really scummy. It's both hard to understand and it's a pretty bullshit attack. But as I said before his constant persistence to get Haylen lynched is leaning towards me thinking he's town.

[Captain Murasa]

IAAU's #249 has changed my read on him from null-scum to leaning town.

[Captain Murasa]

JasonT:

UNVOTE:

I think GreyICE is going to end up nowhere with his case. Meta tells like that are stupid, you don't know whether it's true or not.

PEDIT: Haylen just took the words out of my mouth :P

I am seeing Haylen as town right now, GrayICE posts are interesting... However Haylen is trying to answer anything asked off her, instead off ducking like scum would do.

However, GrayICE is right about 72. There is a lot of WIFOM introduced in it.

The huge waffle in this post is something I really don't like. It kinda feels like he was setting up Haylen as a future target so he could jump on her later if she became viable.

@ Capt - Right now I have more town reads than I have scum reads

Town - GrayIce, Haylen would be the top of that list... Glock I think is round about in 3rd place. Slaxx is probably town

As for scum, I agree with Glock on UberNinja. Mostly about the contridiction though. Would like to see more from Captain Murasa I have a gut scum read on... nothing substanal but just a feeling. Seems like she is trying to say the right things and seems forced.

Null so far is DeltaWave, same with Iamausername.

gonna have a quick re-read after my dinner and see if I can come up with something more.

This felt forced because as I said before it felt like he had to make up his scum reads. I think the gut read on me wsa really an excuse to jump on me later (which he did).

I know GreyICE has done some crazy shit before, so

I'm not going to use meta to instantly clear him or suspect him

(same goes for anyone else really).

Right now I'm suspicious of GreyICE.
VOTE: GreyICE

If only because of the bullshit meta attack he's pushing on Haylen

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So, your not going to use Meta to clear or suspect him, but suspect him because he uses Meta.

Sense made... none

This was a huge misrep.

JasonT is scum.

And what is it exactly made me scum? you do notice that as soon as I said I had a bad gut feeling on you, your thoughts of me as scum began?

Right here he twists my actions to make it seem like I OMGUS'ed him.

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

He's parroting and hoping that nobody notices he's scum with Haylen. Too bad, bro. You're scum.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I like this, it really sounds like it came from town.

what exactly about it sounded like it came from town?[/quote]
Explained above.

CoolDog's big post about me + vote is completely disingenuous and isn't saying anything new.

He's parroting and hoping that nobody notices he's scum with Haylen. Too bad, bro. You're scum.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I like this, it really sounds like it came from town.

what exactly about it sounded like it came from town?

Its just how Capt comes across, does not expand why it is town or anything... seems like she is just saying it to say something. Its something that picked my attention up, yes.. I guess I would be questioning it about anyone she said in that situation. However There are many others I would explore as scum before you.

I didn't think it was something that needed expanding. Also notice the waffle at the end.

[Glork]

Glork, I'm really not sure what your goal is here.

Lynching scum, hence the iamausername vote.

[Captain Murasa]

Hey Glork, while you're here, can you provide me with a recent town game and a recent scum game?