TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Glork]

I never do survive until endgame, sweetpea~

[Porochaz]

The fact (and for some reason everyone has forgotten this) that deadline is still 11 days away hasn't been lost on me. Also whilst you could argue "Haylen is a distraction - we should lynch her, to remove the distraction", this doesn't get to the root of the problem. Why is she a distraction? To me, she isn't a distraction. I haven't seen much she has done wrong. Maybe instead we should be lynching the person who is causing that distraction, first was Grey Ice, now honestly, its you. You are finding Haylen a distraction, but honestly, Im not really seeing anyone finding it anything other than an issue like any other in a game. Im trying to work out A. why you are making this such a big deal? and B. why are you trying to make easy routes out of scumhunting?

Grey - okay, lets move on. However please put your vote back on Glork, vote for who you think is scum, not your team.

Glork - UN was a terrible, terrible vote. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

Your other votes are also under-explained.

[Porochaz]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6789 - technically.

[GreyICE]

I never do survive until endgame, sweetpea~

^^
Remember this if he's alive in endgame folks

@Poro: UN is town to you? This is new. And... Haylen's never stopped being scum.

[Haylen]

That's fascinating, consiering 2/3 of your team hasn't been active

on the site

in 7 hours, and the other one is Parama, who should ALSO be meta-ing me as protown based on Scummies WINvitational.

Katsuki gave a read yesterday, I wanted to make my mind up before following his read.

[Porochaz]

No UN is scum to me. But glorks vote was bad.

[Glork]

Glork - UN was a terrible, terrible vote. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

Disagree. UN was playing disingenuously.

Also, "easy routes out of scumhunting"?
So, me asking Haylen for past games to try to find some meta on her isn't scumhunting.
Me pointing out JasonT's obv protown post isn't scumhunting.
Me pushing PereV, who has been super-active-lurky, to contribute more so that I can get a beat on him, isn't scumhunting.
Me assessing whether MoS's buddying of me is protown or antitown isn't scumhunting.
Me going after iamusername for an awful, awful posting history and a complete bullshit attack on UN's RVS vote isn't scumhunting.

Can you please tell me what exactly "scumhunting' is? Apparnetly I'm not getting it.


Still waiting on any kind of evidence that Haylen's QT is actually here to call me scum. She's still lying through her teeth.

[Glork]

Also, Prozac, what exactly is your opinion of Haylen? Of DeltaWave? MoS?

[Haylen]

Well I want proof that your QT think I'm scum then.

[Glork]

That's fascinating, consiering 2/3 of your team hasn't been active

on the site

in 7 hours, and the other one is Parama, who should ALSO be meta-ing me as protown based on Scummies WINvitational.

Katsuki gave a read yesterday, I wanted to make my mind up before following his read.

Uh huh.

[Glork]

Well I want proof that your QT think I'm scum then.

I already posted what my QT thinks of you, a long-ass time ago.

CES has been wanting me to lynch you since like Page 4.
CTD thinks you're town.
Chamber hasn't been able to give me an answer one way or another.

I'm basically on my own on this one, because unlike your CONVENIENTLY CONSISTENT QUICKTOPIC, mine is made of real, different opinions.

[Glork]

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

[Haylen]

Well my team prefers to talk about cupcakes, and rainbows and pictures of cute puppies.

If you think it's bullshit that my team think you're scum, then I think it's bullshit your team thinks I am.

[Haylen]

Parama has, and always will think that metaing is a pile of crap.

[Glork]

DO YOU EVEN READ THE WORDS THAT I TYPE?

YOU CAN'T THINK IT'S BULLSHIT THAT MY TEAM THINKS YOU'RE SCUM BECAUSE HALF OF MY TEAM ISN'T CALLING YOU SCUM.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

Relax. I'm reading.

[Haylen]

Now now, in this game we need to use our indoor voice.

There's 4 people in your team. CES thinks I'm scum, you think I'm scum. That's half of your team.

[GreyICE]

MoI would like to inform Glork that he was in a hydra with SSBF in LOTR mafia, and was therefore a "hehe easy mislynch target" for Glork-scum.

MoI knows Uber is not a strong player, and knows that you know Uber is not a strong player, and says you nitpicking uber early was a huge warning sign.

[Porochaz]

Haylen has done nothing to give me the impression she is scum. The wagon was a lot more interesting.

Deltawave is starting to look like he's active lurking but... as I said before we are 3 days in... also lurking doesn't really mean much to me.

MoS taking such an inactive stance is worrying. Playing in such a way that he only takes that further for obvious reasons.

[PeregrineV]

The case is you're calling Grey scum but then trying to convince him you can't read him. Its two separate avenues: one of outward action and one of inward thought.

You outwardly

say

you think Grey is scum by voting him, saying he is lying/exaggerating/BSing whathaveyou, but then you try to convince him that he is reading you wrong, which of course implies you

think

or assume he is town. Meaning what you say and what you think isn't the same.

And that is why I'm voting you.

I shall write a screenplay, yes. Yes I shall.

I think you need to read post 147 again, because you are not even close to the point here.

Scum can't be convinced that their read is wrong, because they already know that their read is wrong, they're just pretending not to. Haylen was saying that GreyICE was scum, but also trying to convince him that his read was wrong. She says GreyICE is scum while acting like she thinks he is town. This is because she is knows GreyICE is town. This is because she is scum.

Understand?

To some degree, I see. But, if this was foolproof logic, Haylen would already be dead. And others must see the fallacy, because Haylen is not dead.
I think that until the flip, it makes sense to treat all players as both potential mafia and potential town. Granted, you may feel someone has more potential one way or another, but you can't know with certainty until the mod posts.

[jasonT1981]

@JasonT: Wow, is that really the best you can do?

Cool, first you say that you said it as scum. But you can't remember the game? How coincidental. Also congrats I say it as either alignment. Calling me scum without putting in the effort to do your research first = scummy.

"I think Haylen is town. GreyICE made some cool posts. But Haylen is answering the questions which is pro-town. However Grey made a good point (notice the buddying too), Haylen really did do some suspicious stuff."

Is this really the only defense you are able to muster after I've asked you 3 times? You should know your scumreads at the click of a finger, not have to make them up. Even if you only had one real scumread you only would have needed to say that one instead of making up more.

Gut feelings are basically just a way to set up future jumps on the wagon (which you did). It's also used when you can't think of a bullshit attack against the player in question.

What shite are you babbling now, you asked me 3 times? what?

Yes, I said it as scum... ive played mafia for 5 years, I cant be assed, nor do I care to go looking for one post. It is a waste of time that could be spent in this game.

What defense am I mustering?

What makes you think I didn't have any, you asked I posted. I never post full reads until asked for full reads. I cant think of a bullshit attack on you? I think my 'Bullshit' attack on you has actually been pretty substantial....

No, I'm pretty sure he's trying to mislynch me. I do have a viable wagon at the moment.

Stop using appeal for fear/emotion... oh woe is me... hes leading a mislynch on me.

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

Relax. I'm reading.

you have been reading for a while, yet have not posted anything.

ebyop. something lol

[iamausername]

I think that until the flip, it makes sense to treat all players as both potential mafia and potential town. Granted, you may feel someone has more potential one way or another, but you can't know with certainty until the mod posts.

what an incredibly useless post

[GreyICE]

I think that until the flip, it makes sense to treat all players as both potential mafia and potential town. Granted, you may feel someone has more potential one way or another, but you can't know with certainty until the mod posts.

what an incredibly useless post

TOWN

(not PV)

[jasonT1981]

Yea, Iamusername is going up into the green for me now.

I think that until the flip, it makes sense to treat all players as both potential mafia and potential town. Granted, you may feel someone has more potential one way or another, but you can't know with certainty until the mod posts.

what an incredibly useless post

non committal, a good way of not having to post reads or take a big stance.

PereV goes into the red/scum pile.

PereV Scum to town read list, please.

[PeregrineV]

@ Slaxx: What you mean the one where he tells me his team has reads but he's not going to share them because he needs the team to quickly fabricate those reads for him in the QT and they haven't done it yet?
Or the one where he pokes Porochaz, probably the least likable person in this game for attacking Glork, who is probably the person least likely to be lynched day 1 on this entire player list.

Herp derp.

@Haylen: That's Lain, of Serial Experiments: Lain~

Unfortunately for you you, some of my team has reads like Grey=town. Since I'm probably going to need electroshock therapy to buy that one without a thesis, it's really pointless sharing that, don't you think?

And that nut Poro, what was he thinking attacking Glork,

who is probably the person least likely to be lynched day 1 on this entire player list.

Vote: Glork