Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[TheTrollie]

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

yeah i have...i've also seen stupid scummy decisions...like yours

[kondi2424]

I think you guys need to understand that

I'm not fucking retarded.

Why would I expect to get away with shit like that?

I'm actually pretty good at being scum, as shown by my signature.

[MattP]

So reaction tests are called backtracking now?

Yeah fuck you

PEdit: You guys seriously haven't seen a reaction test?

I have. However, I have also seen people make scum moves during the beginning of the game and then try to cover themselves by calling it reaction testing.

[kondi2424]

I think you guys need to understand that

I'm not fucking retarded.

Why would I expect to get away with shit like that?

I'm actually pretty good at being scum, as shown by my signature.

[TheTrollie]

by the way Matt is probably scum

if you knew the voting bloc idea was bad why did you say matt was scum for saying it was a bad idea?

[kondi2424]

It was a bait, Trollie. You act scummy during RVS and wait for people to pile on you.

[TheTrollie]

right...ok...but what im asking is if you are acting scummy, and someone calls you out...why are they likely scum? that makes ZERO sense to me

[drmyshotgun]

Guys, guys guys, now is not the time to quarrel amongst ourselves.
First we

need

to get rid of the Troll.

VOTE: Kassadin

[kondi2424]

Because anyone who thinks about the situation will realize that I'm not retarded.

Shotgun, I want your opinion of what just happened.

[MattP]

Can you explain your vote on Chrimi?

p-edit: Wtf is up with this Kassadin guy?

[kondi2424]

I figure that Chrimi knows that I don't do that shit. But he still tried to push.

[drmyshotgun]

Guys, I thought we were PLing Kass as soon as the game began, but since Kondi says something important has happened, I'll put my campaign on hold for a moment (won't move my vote though) and read why Kondi is pissed off.

[kondi2424]

Thanks :3

[Mortontfrh]

I don't understand the quick jump on Kondi for making the voting bloc. It's obviously a bad idea, and I can't fathom scum trying to come out of the gate with such a dumb idea.

People quick to accuse him of scum because of it seem to be a bit opportunistic. The idea was presented before the game had even officially started, so I think it's a bit obscure for anyone to be pouncing on how scummy it is.

[MattP]

I especially don't like Venmar's post, specifically the part that Trollie quoted. I can't tell if he's VI or scum.

[MattP]

Also, kondi's response to the push on him reads town.

unvote

I think looking at the bandwagoners / ideawagoners could help us pinpoint scum.

[Venmar]

I don't think Kondi made his post out of stupidity. He does not strike me as stupid person so i doubt he made his bloc out of stupidity or randomness. This does not change what i think of the bloc in general, it can be a very good MID to LATE game tool that i think can be implemented either late D1 or sometime during D2. I just didn't see the bloc really working out this early in the game. Trying to impose a bloc so early before posting is kind of sketchy and kind of a weak move. Kondi does not strike as a player who would make such a move.

@Kondie - What reads did you get off of everybody? Considering you said it was a bait, i would like to know what you think the result or outcome is / was.

[Venmar]

What did i say that makes me scummy all of the sudden? I said that Kondi could have possibly listed one of his mafia partners in the bloc. This was pure assumption that i made on very little information. The possibility of a mafia sneaking in a fellow mafia partner on to a list that could possibly make you look town is always a possibility. I was guessing here, given what Kondi said at the time. Most of the people listed seemed to be people he mentioned during confirmation stage as people he liked, so i guess i assumed.

[MattP]

You stated that kondi is scum:

Making a random list of most likely random people is just kind of weird to me, as

some of those could be your scum buddies

.

Now you're changing your story.

Also, can someone give me an explanation of this Kassadin guy please?

[drmyshotgun]

Ok cool.

I have NEVER seen an immediate voting bloc before and I think it will suck ass and fail epically.

Uhmm, Matt I think toning a bit down is a good idea.
I know your sudden anger was caused by Kondi saying: "Mattp is probably scum."
It was a light accusation, still early in the game and no reason to go so hot-headed from the get go.

voting bloc--dont understand

The reason why Kondi made this voting block was because the members of this block has collaborated in numerous games (including on-goings) so far and therefore has mutual idea of friendship among us.
In games I've played with them so far, they were intelligent, worthy and likable fellows.
I see that you might be confused we are buddying up so quickly but we just know each other very well and want to use that to our (Town's) advantage.

Kondi, I would think this bloc was dumb even if you had included me in it.

I agree it was rather blatant of him without giving any reasons for constructing such a group from the get-go, but you must understand that this group had been chatting in the Open Game Sign-up thread before the game about how we are all in the same game again etc etc (includes the promise that we will Policy lynch Kassadin).
I also do agree that there was no conversation whatsoever about building up a Voting Block before the game began, but that does not really matter.
I presume the main purpose of this Voting Block was to get rid of Kassadin from the get-go anyways.

And of course, you left me out, which means that you don't have all of the town in there.

Yes, we left him out....I find Chrimi the most fun player to be in a game with so far.

1) Created a BS "town" bloc, which screams overzealous scum.
2) Called the first person (me) to disagree with the idea scum, seemingly attempting to dissuade any discussion that disagrees with his idea.

1. He just felt the need to cooperate in order to lynch Kassadin, I presume.
2. You didn't

really

disagreed. You merely presented a flaw in the block. and Kondi merely presented a possibility on your alignment. I mean, we can call anybody that even before the game begins.

when are voting blocs not retarded...

I assume you haven't been in this site long time (neither have I, as a matter of fact). Wish you won't so hastily discard an actual game strategy.
Mattp gave an example of voting block working very well.

Just saying, i don't like it.

That's fine.

I'm not against this voting block idea curiosity-wise, but I'm not for it personally. It's way too plausible for scum to be a part of it which seems like an easier way for scum to hide by voting with the group. At the same time I'm curious to see exactly how this affects this game because I'm also new to the idea of a voting bloc. Kondi, why specifically those 5? I'm not as suspicious of you as the ones above unless you try to use this 'voting bloc' as some kind of shield, so only time will tell.

I'm going to make a vote towards VOTE: Kassadin unless he proves to me he's not just going to troll this game.

Yay, a Troll Hunter like me.
As I've said before, Kondi probably developed this group in order to achieve efficient quick-lynch on Kassadin.
Also, yes, I want to see voting block actually working too. It will put massive pressures.

Vote: Drmyshotgun

for being the only person i've played with.

Hello to you too.
I'm seriously in too many games...But still, I get to meet awesome people like yourself.

unless there is scum in the bloc...which seems pretty possible (especially in this case)

You seem pretty negative about this new idea to you. Presenting all sorts of bad cases and horrible possibilities. Are you scum trying to sabotage this Block?

Yuh. I wanted to see who would just think I'm retarded and who would go for it.

Urgh...Should have read the entire thing before making the post;; But oh well.
Okay, he was observing our reactions. Most weren't into it. What have you learned?

right...ok...but what im asking is if you are acting scummy, and someone calls you out...why are they likely scum? that makes ZERO sense to me

I don't think you've completely accepted what Kondi pulled there and yet you are weakening your tone.
Did you feel empowered when you were voting Kondi while Chrimi and Matt had already placed their votes on him?

People quick to accuse him of scum because of it seem to be a bit opportunistic. The idea was presented before the game had even officially started, so I think it's a bit obscure for anyone to be pouncing on how scummy it is.

Accurate as usual Morton. Indeed we can see them as opportunists. However I saw only one real opportunist and its Trollie.

I don't think Kondi made his post out of stupidity. He does not strike me as stupid person so i doubt he made his bloc out of stupidity or randomness. This does not change what i think of the bloc in general, it can be a very good MID to LATE game tool that i think can be implemented either late D1 or sometime during D2. I just didn't see the bloc really working out this early in the game. Trying to impose a bloc so early before posting is kind of sketchy and kind of a weak move. Kondi does not strike as a player who would make such a move.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Did you read that Kondi made Voting Block to see our reactions to it?
I think you are implying here that Kondi made it for some other reason.
Since you didn't specify what you think it was meant for, I want to ask you to do it now.



Kassadin is basically a Troll who comes on around once a day (or twice, or once in two days, who cares) and his posts contain something like 10 letters.
i.e: "He is scummy." "I follow wagon." "Vote: Someone"
He's been doing that in all his games and we are going to policy lynch him.

[drmyshotgun]

I get Town reads from Morton and Darkling.

[MattP]

If that's all Kassadin contributes then I don't want him in endgame. However, we're not wasting a lynch on him.

Mod: I request that Kassadin be replaced from the game

[drmyshotgun]

Ummm, he hasn't posted here yet and the Moderator does not particularly know Kassadin, so force replacing him at such an early stage is a bad idea.
If we were to do that in all our games, he wouldn't be playing at all...

Who knows? Kassadin will react from our mass-pressure.

[MattP]

Ok cool.

I have NEVER seen an immediate voting bloc before and I think it will suck ass and fail epically.

Uhmm, Matt I think toning a bit down is a good idea.
I know your sudden anger was caused by Kondi saying: "Mattp is probably scum."
It was a light accusation, still early in the game and no reason to go so hot-headed from the get go.

It was actually spurred by the stupid idea, and it was geared at the idea, not him. I don't think I ever insulted him rather than the idea (which is new for me, I think acing my final today made me a better person).

p-edit: People have been replaced before when they barely had a chance to post. If enough people want him out he can be kicked out.

[Venmar]

^ Regarding the very last question aimed at me.

My bad, i have a habit of doing that. What i was trying to say, is that I think Kondi made the post as a bait. In that posts is did say that making a bloc is much more beneficial in mid to late game, so it would not make any sense from a good player such as Kondi to make such a list this early. I also say that Kondi is not a dumb or stupid person, so him making such a bloc would again, not make sense at this point in the game. The bloc itself does not shine much evidence as i think the players chosen are either random, or how shotgun said, friends that have been talked with. I did not know this so at first i assumed it was just a bad move.

Did i explain myself? Please let me know if i did not. More than happy to explain further.