TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[UberNinja]

If you were hypothetically a vigilante you should shoot Haylen, prove she's scum, and then the morons who didn't believe us before will rally behind us and lynch whoever the fuck we want.

Unfortunately I don't believe you're a vig or else you probably already would have done that.

[UberNinja]

Lol never mind, I was thinking Day vig. Yeah sure, shoot MoS if Haylen's lynched. If not, shoot Haylen.

I also wouldn't be opposed to Glork dying.

[jasonT1981]

@JasonT: Wow, is that really the best you can do?

Cool, first you say that you said it as scum. But you can't remember the game? How coincidental. Also congrats I say it as either alignment. Calling me scum without putting in the effort to do your research first = scummy.

"I think Haylen is town. GreyICE made some cool posts. But Haylen is answering the questions which is pro-town. However Grey made a good point (notice the buddying too), Haylen really did do some suspicious stuff."

Is this really the only defense you are able to muster after I've asked you 3 times? You should know your scumreads at the click of a finger, not have to make them up. Even if you only had one real scumread you only would have needed to say that one instead of making up more.

Gut feelings are basically just a way to set up future jumps on the wagon (which you did). It's also used when you can't think of a bullshit attack against the player in question.

What shite are you babbling now, you asked me 3 times? what?

Read my posts. In the three times this has come up, that's the only defense you had.

Yes, I said it as scum... ive played mafia for 5 years, I cant be assed, nor do I care to go looking for one post. It is a waste of time that could be spent in this game.

So....you aren't willing to go to the effort of doing research to try and get your scum reads lynched?

What defense am I mustering?

"You asked, I answered."

What makes you think I didn't have any, you asked I posted. I never post full reads until asked for full reads. I cant think of a bullshit attack on you? I think my 'Bullshit' attack on you has actually been pretty substantial....

Your huge waffles gave it away, and the way you mentioned a gut scum read on me seemed to be so you can wagon hop on me later.

No, I'm pretty sure he's trying to mislynch me. I do have a viable wagon at the moment.

Stop using appeal for fear/emotion... oh woe is me... hes leading a mislynch on me.

Yep, trying to make a neutral post look scummy to get me mislynched. Nice one man.

Oh fuck me... do I really need to get a stick and beat you to death myself, I swear I will do it! Lynch someone else and batter you to death... sounds like a plan to me!

1) the defense I am muttering... YOU ASKED, I ANSWERED WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO I FUCKITY FUCKING HAVE TO SAY! You asked my scum reads... I GAVE THEM.
2) Its a waffle eh, nope, simply posting facts. I only post full reads if asked and concentrate on lynching scum day to day.
3) OH NOES.. YOU LEADING A MISLYNCH ON TOWN... THAT is a APPEAL TO EMOTION/FEAR
Again you push you're trying to mislynch me... suck it funckin up and give us reasons WHY WE SHOULDN'T lynch you instead of crying mislynch.

Haylen(5): UberNinja, DeltaWave, iamausername, Glork, GreyICE
Glork(2): Haylen, Porochaz
Captain Murasa(2): PeregrineV, jasonT1981
Uberninja(1): CooLDoG
jasonT1981(1): Captain Murasa


Not Voting: Mastermind of Sin, Slaxx

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 21.

My opinions:

Captain Murasa
Glork
Haylen

SCUM

Not totally set on the middle bunch but I'd vote for anyone in the bottom 4.

This isn't an incredibly convenient top three suspicion list or anything.

Vote: DeltaWave

damn right it is, top 3 suspects, are the 3 main wagons... Yea, Delta can die as well as Capt.

Porochaz, how the fuck can you say I'M avoiding scumhunting when jokers like DeltaWave make posts like that? Do you actually believe a word of what you write?

this, you're town. You are trying

Delta isn't posting useless, baseless reads
Capt isn't posting oh noes... your gonna mislynch me.

those 2 can die in a fire.. or noose.

Keep floundering Glork

Hey, scummy scummerson.... Reasons for your reads ASAP... or I swear to god I will make it my business to make sure you bite the noose.

Also, LoL @ not even being on Delta's list in #421. xD

In all my copy-pasting within the list, I must have missed you. I'll slip you into the next version.

going to post ANYTHING productive?

Keep floundering Glork

You're cute when you try to talk smack. You single?

Looks like someone is getting nervous. I think you know on some level that your reason for voting for me is razor thin so now you're trying to point the finger away from yourself as best you can.

again, nothing. going to post ANYTHING Game related?

Slaxx, scum tend to know EXACTLY where their scumbuddies are on those lists. It's *possible* Delta placed MoS somewhere and then accidentally cut the line, but pretty unlikely, IMO. The odds of a Delta/MoS pairing are extremely small.

honestly, right now I could see a Capt/Delta scum team.. but lets concentrate on getting one scum first and foremost before we start working out scum teams.

When I was making that list, I changed the order repeatedly by copy/pasting names. There's a big block of people in the middle that I'm not sure about. This is a pretty trivial thing and the focus on this, plus this ridiculous "voting block" plan solidifies my read on Glork. I've never liked the idea of voting blocks, especially on D1.

again fluff, heres an idea, l;ets get a voting block on you?

vote:DeltaWave

Edit - Lynch Delta... Hypo vig Capt.

[UberNinja]

Jason please restate your thoughts on the Haylen wagon.

And if you haven't done so yet, give your thoughts on MoS.

[jasonT1981]

Haylen, town... while being put under pressure heavily she shows no signs of nervous, backtracking or showing the pressure is getting to her. With the amount of pressure put on her, I could see someone cracking under it as scum. Town has nothing to be afraid off, will answer everything put at them as best they can.... Scum will flounder, falter, crack.

Haylen = town.

[GreyICE]

MoI wishes to know if you think Haylen is scum or not, Glork.

I would second this.

Because the 'yeah you're a good vote... *15 seconds elapse* Vote: Delta' isn't doing it for either of us

[DeltaWave]

Hey, scummy scummerson.... Reasons for your reads ASAP... or I swear to god I will make it my business to make sure you bite the noose.

I did already:

Haylen - reasons that were made obvious already (Post #38 & #153)
Murasa - buddying haylen (Post #448)
Glork - Self-Meta (Post #318) / ATE (Post #429)

it's interesting that you would basically copy glork's argument like that. I doubt you came to the same conclusion independently, or else you would have read through and seen that glork's "omg delta is just suspecting the top three peopleOMGZ!1!" line of argumentation is complete bunk. I have reasons for suspecting haylen, murasa and glork regardless of their wagons. It's a pretty lame argument anyway because my vote was on Haylen before there was a substantial wagon, and the murasa and glork wagons only have like 2 votes anyway.

[jasonT1981]

Oh and Capt, go look for it yourself if its such an important thing to you. 5 years of mafia playing I cant be bothered going through games right now looking for a needle in a haystack. It would be counter productive and time wasted that could be spent in this game.

[jasonT1981]

Delta - I do agree with Glock yes, I do find it rather convenient your top 3 scum reads are the top 3 wagons, regardless of when your votes went on.

It just feels like you are willing to lynch anyone with a wagon on them. Or one that could be viable.

[DeltaWave]

Delta - I do agree with Glock yes, I do find it rather convenient your top 3 scum reads are the top 3 wagons, regardless of when your votes went on.

It just feels like you are willing to lynch anyone with a wagon on them. Or one that could be viable.

You're parroting the same tired argument without addressing my response. You want to make it sound like I suspect those people because they are the "top 3 wagons" but I have independent, solid reasons for suspecting them that are

entirely separate

from the fact that other people are voting them. Are you going to address that, or are you going to continue to cover your eyes and say "lalalala deltawave is just voting the top wagons and I don't care about reality"? Not to mention the absurdity of the argument when you take into account the "top wagons" of Glork and Murasa (who only had 2 votes on them at the time.)

[jasonT1981]

better to parrot than do nothing at all.

[DeltaWave]

better to parrot than do nothing at all.

you have to be SHITTING me. your only support for your argument is herp derp glork said it so i'm going to say it to?

[DeltaWave]

EBWOP: *too

[jasonT1981]

better to parrot than do nothing at all.

you have to be SHITTING me. your only support for your argument is herp derp glork said it so i'm going to say it to?

So, no one is allowed to agree with anyone, and back someone elses argument up..

got it.

[Haylen]

I have yet to see a case against me. Glorks lack of answering my questions solidifies my belief he is scum.

Delta - How can I be scum if Murasa is buddying me?

[Haylen]

I'm around as much as possible at the weekends. I work nights and sleep a lot.

Don't expect me to answer everything until Sunday afternoon, Monday morning.

[Haylen]

Peregrine: "Haylen- I find townish, but I kind of get the argument against her."

Peregrine: "I think she's town, also the arguments for her being scum are valid. Which makes here scum I guess, but she's town!"
Scum wouldn't want to hop on a mislynch now, would they?

[Haylen]

Glork: Katsuki says your posts stick.
Quilford says it's all utter crap.
Parama's on the fence.

[CooLDoG]

mod, v/la over the weekend. Mother's day. *sigh*

[DeltaWave]

better to parrot than do nothing at all.

you have to be SHITTING me. your only support for your argument is herp derp glork said it so i'm going to say it to?

So, no one is allowed to agree with anyone, and back someone elses argument up..

got it.

Oh, you can agree with Glork, but when you just repeat what he says with no regard for my rebuttal then your motives become suspect. It's one thing to identify a good argument and advance it, but it's another thing to latch onto a bad argument and repeat it even though I've provided evidence that directly refutes it.

I have yet to see a case against me. Glorks lack of answering my questions solidifies my belief he is scum.

Delta - How can I be scum if Murasa is buddying me?

I will admit that I feel weird that my top scumreads are engaged in a Mexican standoff right now. Nevertheless I don't want to get caught up in WIFOM.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: "Haylen- I find townish, but I kind of get the argument against her."

Peregrine: "I think she's town, also the arguments for her being scum are valid. Which makes here scum I guess, but she's town!"
Scum wouldn't want to hop on a mislynch now, would they?

You'll have to link me to that second quote, since I don't recall saying that. Was you trying to rephrase?

Actually, scum love mislynches. Town hates them.
But I sense some form of rhetoric in that question. So, if it's a question, please ask. Otherwise, the sentence above is my answer.

[PeregrineV]

Grey and Peregrine: I want a full list of reads on each player for you.

Also, you asked for this. I believe it was provided. Did you have a reason for wanting it, or any comment afterwards?

And what did you think of Grey's reads he provided?

[UberNinja]

This game is deteriorating quickly. We need a lynch.

[Captain Murasa]

I'm interested in hearing why I'm a suspect of DW even though he hasn't mentioned me at all beforehand.

This should be obvious. Your adamant defense of Haylen has awarded you many scumpoints

VOTE: DeltaWave
I told you Glork~

[UberNinja]

Also, LoL @ not even being on Delta's list in #421. xD

Why are you looking for your own name in other people's lists? Trying to see if they think you're scummy or not?

Vote: MoS

DeltaWave's answer to this quip isn't bad either:

Also, LoL @ not even being on Delta's list in #421. xD

In all my copy-pasting within the list, I must have missed you. I'll slip you into the next version.

He's not eager to please or in a rush to give people what they want. His feathers are not ruffled at someone pointing out an inconsistency. His "You'll get it when you get it" response is a very townie attitude to have.

So far I am not seeing a case on DeltaWave except that his scum reads coincide with the wagons. If we are wagoning three scummy people, how the fuck does that make a difference as to DW's alignment?