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[vijay2vasandani]

@ Yates: yes, Korlash always plays like this. Fluff and stuff.

[Fate]

I am very well how Korlash plays, in an attempt to be unreadable. But his reads aren't bad, and townKorlash woudn't vote right into a hammer of two townies dying. This is scum and I'm not moving.

[Korlash]

Ha ha you crafty bastard, waiting for me to go to work before posting so I have no way to respond! Well two can play this game I have a phone!

I'll be quick, if I was scum who spent all day buddying up to MoI I wouldn't waste that to switch to his wagon this close to deadline when he would have died anyway.

In addition, I do not "chomp at the bit" over tw idea to kill two townies. Look at fire and ice (will link when I get home) me and my scum partner no killed four nights in a row. In my last newbie game, I lead the charge killin my only partner day one and no lynched that night. I am cold and calculating as scum, more than that I am patient.

The idea I would waste an entire days worth of play as scum for two 'town deaths' is laughable.

[Fate]

Yates you're wrong as fuck there's nothing SURVIVALIST about claiming fucking vengeful. Its an unncessary ballsy gambit for scum-

and look right here if MoI is alive in Lylo YOU DO LYNCH HIM NO QUESTIONS ASKED and have him shoot someone thats how vengeful works

-and god help me-MoI IS actually good at scum and fakeclaims.

[Fate]

Ha ha you crafty bastard, waiting for me to go to work before posting so I have no way to respond! Well two can play this game I have a phone!

I'll be quick, if I was scum who spent all day buddying up to MoI I wouldn't waste that to switch to his wagon this close to deadline when he would have died anyway.

In addition, I do not "chomp at the bit" over tw idea to kill two townies. Look at fire and ice (will link when I get home) me and my scum partner no killed four nights in a row. In my last newbie game, I lead the charge killin my only partner day one and no lynched that night. I am cold and calculating as scum, more than that I am patient.

The idea I would waste an entire days worth of play as scum for two 'town deaths' is laughable.

self-meta ok nice

[Korlash]

That's funny coming from a guy who three posts ago used what is arguable incorrect 'meta' to suggest I was scum...

[Benmage]

Hey guys, been off site for like 2 days. And I just player like 7 hours of rugby... So give me the weekend to catchup.

[Korlash]

MoI hit L-1 again after pulling a not-town gambit then tried to blow the smoke my way. Fate followed him like a little puppy. And I saw a deer run across the street... it was majestic...

There, all caught up.

Newbie - Fire & Ice

Links I promised...

All right, day lights burning. Someone put MoI back to L-1 so I can get him ranting again and try and find his other partner.

[drmyshotgun]

What's happening? I'm sorry I am not here a lot. Anything I'm required to do at this point except to read and catchup (if so, gimme 1 day)?

[Korlash]

1. I have never played with Korlash before so I don't know if his play here is "typical Korlash" or not but I certainly don't understand his playing style. There seems to be a lot of fluff and arguing for the sake of arguing which is where I agree with Pere in post 350.

Yup, sounds like me. But before you go judging my play style just check out my last five games mate. Each one was a notch in the old win column. I'm not perfect, and my style of play isn't the most fun for everyone, but it works for me and I know what I'm doing. (most of the time) If you have to vote me for being suspicious, go for it, I've had to deal with a lot worse for less... but try and keep a dislike of my playstyle as far away from your final decision as you can.

2. I will go back to my ancient accusation about fence-sitting with Korlash. He doesn't vote the whole game while arguing about the strength of other people's votes then throws his vote on MoI late in the day for a flawed reason? This also takes me back to post 348 where I called him out on the fact he claims he regrets MoI not getting lynched but then claims he never stated he thought MoI was scummy enough to lynch. Instead of answering my question, he tried to get me to argue my choice of bolded words. Which AGAIN illustrates how he tries to turn every little thing into a sideshow.

How are my reasons flawed? If you disagree with my assessment his claim is likely fake and his gambit has no call to come from a town, fine, but don't call them "flawed" due to a difference of opinion. Not using my vote and arguing the strength of the votes of others are mutually exclusive so i don't get why you're trying to force that connection. I'll give you the sideshow thing, I probably do do that. However, it's equally possible I use it to create a wider margin of information as it is that I use it as scum to deflect so I would cation how much stock you put into it on a non-spcific scale.

3. I have already stated in post 396 the reasons I think pappums is Town.

Yeah pappums isn't on the chopping block anymore and both me and MoI equally pushed his lynch so I don't get how this is a reason to vote me... Still, whatever, I disagree with you. (A scum flip from Fate after MoI dies might work on changing my mind about him though... I doubt all three of them are scum.)

I don't know. I've been trying to stay caught up but this is the first real turn of events that I felt like I needed to spend some time on.

For what it's worth, my whole "Lynch MoI for double the chance" isn't some bullshit shtick I'm tossing out willy nilly. Lynch MoI, and even in the event you 'guessed' wrong, I still die. Lynch me, and if you're wrong you have to waste a second day making up for it.

I get that you want to 'think about it' but lynching MoI covers all bases and nearly guarantees a scum dies today. (The only way no scum dies is if both of us are town, in which case lynching me before MoI would waste two days and net us twin mislynches while lynching MoI would save us a night kill and give us an extra day to recover.)

There is no logical argument to lynch me over MoI in this situation. It's become fairly mathematical at this point. *shrugs* Just the hand we've all been dealt I guess... Takes some of the fun out of it though...

[Korlash]

Korlash's hop on was overjustified (I get Fate dead also? Win Win! Also I do like playing with you but all the concocted bullshit means you have to die and take Town with you.), his appeals to Vijay (stay as far away from the lynch as possible you are toooo valuable) and this last round of "We have two chances to catch scum by lynching MoI Fate) seals it for me.

I've been calling you town nearly all day long and my read on you was changed nearly entirely due to one event from you. You call it 'overly justified' I call it the necessary amount of analysis for a player to accurately change their read like that. If you spend all your life thinking the sky is blue and then look up and see a sea of orange above you you are not going to just keep skipping along your merry way mate. Some serious over-analysis is going to take place in your head.

Regardless of anything else you say, you just claimed you think Fate is town yet you're calling me scum for saying your gambit didn't add up? No. You've created a situation that defies any potential gain from this 'gambit' of yours. Either you placed the kill on someone who you shouldn't have (not a scum read) and were accurately called on it, or you placed the kill one someone you should have (aka a scum read) and are lying now when you suggest I am scum hoping to take out two town. Like I said mate, you need to learn how to gambit better. This is the second time you've failed to think things through. (and most likely the second time you'll lose for it )

You can misconstrue the V2V comments all you want, I'm both right in that AND have a history of being buddy buddy with him all game long so this isn't a new development from 'flailing scum' or whatever you hope to make it out to be.

No Town player says "We've got two chances to catch scum ... MoI if he's scum and me if he shoots me".

I was speaking from the town's perspective MoI, which you would be able to see if you were actually town. Regardless of which one of us is scum, lynching you guarantees that person dies. Lynching me doesn't. End. Of. Story.

If you really were a vengeful town you would realize this and be willing to die for it (Pushing for my lynch of course first and foremost, but you would still acknowledge the win/win situation of lynching you). Lynching you and taking me out would be using your 'town power' to it's fullest potential and if you truly were town you would have at the very least mentioned this fact by now.

Korlash-scum means paradoxically that pappums is more likely just terrible Town. But his buddying / defending Benmage fits scum buddy behavior to a tee.

Hard to say how to take this atm... You're trying to set up some argument for tomorrow, but I can see it going either way... You wouldn't want to just do me a solid and tell me which one of these guys is your partner would you? Promise I'll pay you back the first time you manage to catch me as scum.

[Korlash]

@ Yates: yes, Korlash always plays like this. Fluff and stuff.

Yeah... It's a character flaw that has kept me out of meaningful relationships and multiple chances at procreational activities... :'( It's a dog's life being Korlash... But someone has to do it...

I am very well how Korlash plays, in an attempt to be unreadable. But his reads aren't bad, and townKorlash woudn't vote right into a hammer of two townies dying. This is scum and I'm not moving.

This is bullshit man and you know it. The only game I know of that you've seen me as town was KK's game where I accurately called out Spy and Iam (and seemingly was the only player in thread to do either one.) I caught Spy do to a reevaluation of day one activities towards the end of said day. This is tantamount to what I just did when I analyzed today's wagons and confirmed I was possibly wrong about MoI. I can't remember what originally attracted me to Iam-scum in that game, but I do know it evolved into him doing a bogus claim that I rightfully called him on. And low and behold, what did I do to MoI in this game? Called him out on his likely fakeclaim.

Don't say my 'reads aren't bad' and then call me scum for using the exact same fucking methods to find scum in this game that I did in the last.

What's happening? I'm sorry I am not here a lot. Anything I'm required to do at this point except to read and catchup (if so, gimme 1 day)?

If you want scum to die, vote MoI. If you want to do proper town play, vote MoI. And if you want this day to end in a scum being lynched, vote MoI. I wouldn't say you're 'required' to vote him... but... Well, it wouldn't be a bad idea...

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: MoI

[MagnaofIllusion]

Remember

-

Benmage is scum. Put it in the bank.

Korlash is probably scum also. He prides himself on being able to 'talk his way out of anything' and he bit on the "Take out two Townies" bait I laid out.

Vote Analysis will probably find the third.

I'm VT for the record. I fake-claimed Vengeful to see people's reactions and actions. Go back and look at who was hesitant to vote me the first time around on top of how Korlash acted here.

[Yates]

How are my reasons flawed?

You are assuming [or trying to make us assume] that everyone in this gambit is night killable, that scum don't have role blockers, and/or that we have a full reveal after flip. Let's say we lynch MoI and in the morning there has only been 1 scum flavor kill and MoI has flipped Town. The assumption that would be pushed is that MoI was lying about his PR and no further information would be gleaned. In reality, if MoI is actually vengeful he could have taken his shot but been RBed or the person he took a shot at could be BP [Town] or not NK-able [Scum].

@Fate

- I can't disagree more. Why would he announce his role otherwise? Even if he's telling the truth, that's a survivalistic play by definition.

What I see is that he had already gotten to L-1 once in the day and was at [or on his way to] L-1 again when he played the vengeful card. While I understand what you are getting at, you can't tell me that it wouldn't also be equally likely that MoI as scum wouldn't just be trying to get a few more days in. Maybe he's the "odd-night killing scum," for example. Or maybe he just wants to make it to scum night talk so they can talk strategy, as another example. Or maybe he's going to set up his scum buddy's fake PR claim to get his scum buddy to end game, as a third example. There are a ton of reasons to try something like that as scum.

PE
Welp. Admitted fake vengeful claim pretty much makes my point at Fate.

[Yates]

I fake-claimed Vengeful to see people's reactions and actions.

If you are VT and this was a gambit, who do you think you caught?

Personally, I don't think it played very well as anyone can claim they didn't want to be on your wagon b/c they are a PR and didn't want to take the chance at being a victim of friendly fire.

[Yates]

Also:

Benmage is scum. Put it in the bank.

Did you ever make you case on Benmage-scum? I'll go back and look but wanted to catch you while you were still on b/c if you did, I have forgotten or been distracted.
[Going to look now]

[Yates]

Is this your case?
"So this is my ‘Respond to Benmage’ post."

[MagnaofIllusion]

By the way ... Korlash is scum for the following post in the IGMEOY Dead QT -

"Fucking fuck fuck... Someone hammer... i need to use this game as meta for [redacted]... "

It demonstrates he was selectively hunting evidence to "support" his case.

Once I flip Town you can lynch / Vig Ben and Korlash in rapid succession.

[Benmage]

You are unfucking believably terrible at this MoI. I don't even give a fuck now if you do flip town.

[Benmage]

And your venge shit...was some of the scummiest shit I've ever seen.

[Korlash]

You are assuming [or trying to make us assume] that everyone in this gambit is night killable, that scum don't have role blockers, and/or that we have a full reveal after flip. Let's say we lynch MoI and in the morning there has only been 1 scum flavor kill and MoI has flipped Town. The assumption that would be pushed is that MoI was lying about his PR and no further information would be gleaned. In reality, if MoI is actually vengeful he could have taken his shot but been RBed or the person he took a shot at could be BP [Town] or not NK-able [Scum].

Wouldn't a venge kill be a day kill? I'll be the first to admit I don't understand the role, but given what MoI claimed that is how I inferred it. This still doesn't flaw my reasons of his claim being fake (case in fucking point people) or his gambit having no town merit what-so-ever.

I'm VT for the record. I fake-claimed Vengeful to see people's reactions and actions. Go back and look at who was hesitant to vote me the first time around on top of how Korlash acted here.

I voted you for fakeclaiming and you just admitted I was right. You're still going to push that I'm scum? That's sad man.

By the way ... Korlash is scum for the following post in the IGMEOY Dead QT -

"Fucking fuck fuck... Someone hammer... i need to use this game as meta for [redacted]... "

It demonstrates he was selectively hunting evidence to "support" his case.

Once I flip Town you can lynch / Vig Ben and Korlash in rapid succession.

Ha, bullshit. I needed to show everyone the extent you go to as scum making shitty decisions and getting two of your scum partners lynched for it. How does that game in anyway support my case on YOU personally? it doesn't. This is all so that no one gives fate or rat or anyone else you attacked a pass when you flip scum. Plus, in the event I was actually somehow lynched, unlikely but anything could happen, I needed that game to show you come up with some sick ass power gambits for your entire team and people needed to watch out for that once you had time to talk to them.

I didn't need to improve my case on you, if anything you should be arguing I was looking for more town meta from myself where I caught scum in the same ways I caught you. (I.e. I caught scum in that game based on a fakeclaim and my first post in the dead QT was to call the last two scum accurately) That might make a more lasting impression but only in the event you flip town, which I don't see happening.

IGMEOY for when he flips scum. He replaced in and came up with a plan where he bussed both his partners and had one of them counterbus him. After two straight lynches of scum he should have been sitting pretty but he screwed it up by having the wrong person stay alive. I'm telling you this whole "kill fate" shit was aimed at a partner. (That, or the Rat Counter wagon)

[MagnaofIllusion]

You are unfucking believably terrible at this MoI. I don't even give a fuck now if you do flip town.

Please spare me Scumbag.

[pappums rat]

TBH this Korlash voting MoI thing has me a little torn. I can see how Fate's reasoning on this could be right, but MoI has been so obvscum to me all day that I cant bring myself to unvote him, and Fate's theory is a bit of a stretch, there is no real evidence to back this assertion up. All things considered, I still think MoI should be today's lynch. If he flips town, I would expect one of Korlash or Fate to be scum.

[pappums rat]

* that should read "I would expect Korlash to be scum and Fate to be town."