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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 8:42 am

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Votecount 5.3:

MagnaofIllusion - luckyjt (L-1)
Luckyjt - ActionDan (L-1)
Rainbowdash - MagnaofIllusion (L-1)

Not voting - Feirei, Rainbowdash

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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 1:50 pm

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@MoI - At least answer me this: Why does stark completely make up a result on town instead of giving a truthful result? It really just reads like a bit too much of a risk to me.

Also please, goon-goon-tracker is weak? Thats average at worst. I would take tracker over RBer just about anything without second thought, and goon-goon-X is commonplace.

Also again, ninja doesnt beat voyeur, ninja to voyeur says "Hey there is a ninja in the setup" and thats it. Thats ninja getting half beat to start by a town role. It counters one role, I will be floored beyond reason if the last scum role is anything but GF or goon.

Im just going to pony up. I really dont think its Lucky here, the "please vote me, docs on Amrun" just really doesnt fit into what I would expect to see from scum at that juncure.

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@MoI - Believe me or not, but if I was scum there is zero way you would have lived. Even if I was a ninja, taking you down basically just made it all "what about a GF" with AD and Lucky alive and me having already claimed miller so no fear from a cop. Do you really think that would have been a difficult win at all for me?

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In the even a no lynch happens for whatever reason (time wise) MoI is following Lucky since it prevents a kill without making it 1v1 no matter who is scum.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 3:06 pm

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MoI can you elaborate how you came to decide to follow CSL N3? Plus I will wait for your iso's of CSL, rban/Istark/bbm etc.

about power: cop/cop/voyeur by itself isn't really *that* useful. cops were meant to claim close to one another generating theories about sanities + maybe town might have even lynched one of them (yes even with the theme known to be *~cops~*). Voyeur serves to verify cop targets on the off chance. against goon-tracker-[goon,ninja,gf] it barely helps counter scum at all, which is the ultimate purpose of town power (because 10:3 vanilla isn't balanced).

so cop/cop/voyeur is meh.

on the flip side, goon/goon/tracker is low (but for MS site meta, it's fairly standard for some reason). Moi just finished a little italy game where he replaced in as scum and made the same comment in the scum QT, in which he suggested => no cops (he was right).
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 3:13 pm

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Honestly, I'm thinking along these lines:

Lynch Moi (if town) ---> lynch RD

or Lynch Lucky (if town) -----> continue MOI vs RD knowing one of you HAS to be scum and decide then. I keep flipfloping.

in light of the above I would trade our current situation for RD vs MOI vs ME in 3p lylo if I could. But CSL will definitely live tomorrow. I think.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 3:31 pm

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Being brutally honest, one of the bigger reasons that I like a MoI lynch over a Lucky lynch today is that I feel I stand a far better chance being able to take Lucky down in F3 than MoI if im wrong about this. Yes I know MoI is going to basically just point at this jumping up and down, but to put it simply I think it gives the best winning chances in the long run.

I just keep thinkig that most of what MoI has done matches up to what I would have done as scum, particularly as a GF. The snap back on Stark*, the clearing of AD, the push on me before lucky.

*Because it doesnt seem like MoI gets/admits to getting it: If Stark got cleared and MoI got lynched at any point, it would have been odd for Stark unless MoI is a ninja because why would dead scum that make the most sense to send in the kill have not? It makes sense for whatever scum is left to have sent in the kill unless the mod is odd and allows double actions, which given the response of Stark to me I dont think happened. Either way, something like goon-GF-X where Stark is claiming "X sent the kill" sounds awkward since X probably needs to be an active role for balance to be achieved.

That and I really dont believe that any scum lets MoI live over a cop but MoI. The last scum killed Korlash over both of them, so were obviously hunting for a different PR. MoI again makes the most sense to be hunting for a different town PR, since he isnt one, and if is a GF is not at all threatened by OOTN result wise.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 4:06 pm

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Feirei wrote:-reads 1004 three times-

._. no way in hell that came from scum.

Problem is, I have a gut town read on MoI, but maybe that's because I haven't eaten anything. More after I get food.


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RD, ya I detected that survival instinct throughout the day, I can't fault you for it, it's just slightly selfish if you know what I mean.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 4:28 pm

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ActionDan wrote:RD, ya I detected that survival instinct throughout the day, I can't fault you for it, it's just slightly selfish if you know what I mean.


I dont like getting lynched, and actually havent yet. If you think this is bad you should see me if I come close to getting lynched as scum (havent in a normal mechanic game - in over four years)

I do still think that MoI is more likely scum though, the fact that if I am wrong I still think town win chances are around is just another tiebreaker for me here. MoI is probably lying if he says he isnt playing with the same thoughts in mind a bit here too.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 4:49 pm

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@lucky,

what led you to think Moi is the most likely last scum?
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Fri May 11, 2012 7:58 pm

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ActionDan wrote:Poor soul never made it to the refrigerator.
Feirei needs a prod

R.I.P., dear Feirei/CSL. We hardly knew ya.

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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 4:23 am

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Post #1029 by RD has basically my reasons as well to think MOI should be lynched. My biggest being as I have said before, that MOI is the most dangerous to let live if he is scum. I know if we lynch RD today, tomorrow I will get lynched. I am not that good at arguing one vs one and i would end up lynched even though I am town. Arguing against MOI tomorrow will impossible for me, while RD I still have a minimal chance. So I have said it before, Moi is the most dangerous if scum right now. I really dont want to get lynched as town that at this moment all Im thinking is to get rid of the biggest potential threats.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 4:32 am

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I'd more likely vote for you Lucky if it was RD vs Lucky instead of MOI vs Lucky. just saying.

Please use your own words to reason out why Moi might be scum. or at least why Moi has a better chance of being scum than RD.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 5:22 am

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No I feel that if MOI wanted to frame me I would be done.

Now if you want me to explain my reasoning why I think Moi is scum. There was a post where Istark began saying that MOI has gotten his scum partner lynch so that everyone would believe him and get a town pr lynched. Yet Istark ended being lynched as a scum PR. SO what does this say? Well MOI is 100% town based on that discussion between Istark and MOI. So we decided to go through the rest of the game arguing who is the last scum and believing everything MOI says because MOI has 2 scum lynched to back up. The game ends and the mafia wins since no one suspected MOI.

This scenario is what I believe the mafia expected to happen with those two lynches. Yes they sacrifice two players but their third player goes unnoticed and they win the game. But yet my only doubt is the fact that MOI is so calmly debating back and forth with RD. As I said I am not a debater and if it came down to me vs MOI I would end up lynched.

Now one thing I must also bring back is the CSL slot. If CSL gets replaced we will end up leaving the final decision to that replacement since CSL slot is the most town not confirmed.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 6:47 am

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Now reading iStark's move as newb town.
Unvote: iStark
Why? Because he doesn't get why "lynching you is the only way to confirm that you aren't lying and keeping you out of suspect list" is a terrible reason to lynch someone. That induces the genuine-undecided-town interpretation on the flip-flopping, too.

@iStark: "lynching you is the only way to confirm that you aren't lying and keeping you out of suspect list" is a terrible reason to give to want to lynch someone. Why? Because it applies to every player on the playerlist. Do better.

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investigate now
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As much as I'm endeared to this silly style of posting, I don't think Mist Beauty is including enough actual talking points in amongst them. Do I think she is scum? Not yet; I think she is silly neutral. @Mist Beauty: do more analysis so I can read you, 'k?

As for IceGuy, he's off of my not-scumhunting list, but the previous scumtell still lingers.
As for kondi: same. Since we didn't lynch him earlier, the momentum behind kondi-suspicion has disappeared, but I still retain my earlier scumtell on him.
As for v2v: Since the game in reference is ongoing, and v2v's motivation sounds real, I believe him. But when that ongoing game ends, I want to hear him explain it, 'k?

So unfortunately, I'm at a crossroads. One of my suspicions isn't rising above the rest, so I merely have to keep my CoS list and cherrypick the current most-likely-to-be-scum person off of it.
Vote: kondi
This is not based on recent evidence; it's the shadow of his big, hardly-mentioned-anymore scummishness on the earlier pages. Also no kondi it's not a policy lynch stop accusing people of that.


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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 7:16 am

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W/e I feel like making a few dealios.

Might as well first get these little important questions out in order.

@(Lucky, RD) - am I right in assuming neither of you will be pursuaded to vote anyone else besides MoI?

@(Moi, Feirei) - would both of you be pursuaded to vote for Lucky?

Annoying as hell feirei isn't here.

Anyway answer those small questions and then we can all do something fun~<3
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 7:40 am

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Can we get today done with? I already know who I'm voting if MoI flips town.

AD, why, all of a sudden, are you all over lucky?
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 7:46 am

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~teehee~

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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 7:47 am

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At this moment I may still switch my vote but I would prefer this MOI lynch.

nice to see you back feirei, wish to see your thoughts on the people in the game.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 9:58 am

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@AD - Thats kinda terminology stuff to an extent. The interactions from Lopsy in that post to MB and Stark both look like scum-scum to me too.

@MoI - Just incase something goes wrong and there is a no lynch, you are "following" Lucky in that case. Im convinced last scum is more likely GF than ninja, so it either clears me or cements a 1v1 that has scum.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 10:20 am

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W/e good enough. Feirei seems not to care to vote Lucky and wants to flip Moi.

So be it.

Anyway, I was of two minds when Moi 'cleared me'

W/e I was hoping to lynch Lucky who I think is the last scum so I can win with town, but since everyone is so obstinate. I'm gonna have some Fun Fun Fun.

Read this and weep. Or be happy (if scum)


I'M A SURVIVOR!


and I feel comfortable now saying I also was granted a 1-shot BP

So here's the deal

Ima gonna

VOTE: MoI

and end today. CSL is like not scum. ya? so here's the plan scum (Lucky prolly but just in case RD you can hear me out too).

You kill RD or Lucky, whichever of you is not scum (lol). then I'll vote for CSL first thing tomorrow. you vote CSL. we sip champagne for dirty deeds done.

So happy investigations came out mafia/not mafia. I rode that little piggy all the way home. I was happy there was the 'GF' stuff so scum wouldn't kill me like they did Korlash (god I was so worried).

if it's 4P mylo tomorrow all bets are off.
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 10:25 am

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a pity I have to go now. I really wish I had more time to brag here.

I can't believe I have to claim since every town person didn't want to lynch scum today.

hint hint: this is why Moi isn't scum. town needed high power. I mean scum totally could have a GF or ninja since town so strong.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 10:33 am

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Oh, I guess you can kill CSL if you feel like it, but in that case I'm just literally gonna flip a coin and harass both of you by playing :agressive mind games: until I flip a coin. So if you think fate's on your side be my guest! that would be an amusing ending to this game.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 10:36 am

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I guess me + teh scum can claim that we mislynched MoI. Not easy I tell ya, not easy.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 10:40 am

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I mean I feel bad for many of the dead townies. Poor Korlash, you were funny. Poor Om, I knew thee from another place and time. I remain loyal, but I will NOT be a scapegoat. I shan't. I WILL SURVIVE

I will survive!!!!

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And I will survive
I will survive

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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Sat May 12, 2012 6:53 pm

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Was the music number necessary...?


Votecount FINAL:

MagnaofIllusion - luckyjt, ActionDan, Rainbowdash (LYNCH!)
Rainbowdash - MagnaofIllusion (L-1)

Not voting - Feirei

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The air was tense around the police headquarters. Unknown to the 13 people (now 5) who were inside the building those long 5 days ago, the sudden lockdown and subsequent isolation they had imposed on themselves had made them into the talk of the town, if not the neighboring cities. Though they did see throngs of people during the daytime, and kept themselves out of sight as much as possible, what they didn't know was what the mass was comprised of--townsfolk honestly worried for people they loved or for their fellow citizens; news anchors eager to catch the latest news on this undoubtedly rich story; blow-ins from around who just wanted to see what was up; and many, many people from various cities who saw the predicament on the news and wanted an up close and personal look at the situation.

Each day, all these people perched themselves, so to speak, on the steps to the building, wondering what might be happening inside those doors. Newsmen and political agendists who covered the story debated endlessly on what caused this, was it right, and other nonsensical topics. And one entity just watched...and watched...




Inside the Police Headquaters


MagnaofIllusion, Luckyjt, Rainbowdash, Feirei, and ActionDan stared each other down, standing in a rough pentagon shape, muscles taut, eyes shifting, each one waiting for the others to make a move for them to react to. THis stalemate seemed to last endlessly, though it was only for a few hours.

Eventually, MoI and RD started getting into a heated argument, trying to convince the other as much as they were trying to convince the others that the opposite was scum. ActionDan didn't have to worry about this that much, as the revelation of Amrun and Om as cops solidified him as being out of the range of suspicious, but Lucky was still sweating bullets, as sometimes the arguments would turn to talks about him.

The talks went on, to the point that Dan was getting sick of hearing people talk, period. He wanted this over, now.

"I've had enough!" he shouts, startling RD and MoI out of starting another round of debates. "This is getting nowhere. We're getting nowhere. And I'm sick of listening to any of us argue."

"Thank God..." Lucky muttered, figuring that meant he didn't have to be under suspicious anymore.

"now, Lucky, RD, you two both think that MoI is scum, right?" he prompts the two of them, drawing his gun on MoI when he starts to object, saying a curt, "Shut up."

"Y-Yeah..."

"Yes..." RD taps her foot.

"Then it's settled," Dan releases the safety on his gun, making MoI back up a little when he hears the click.

"Whoa, now...Let's just--" Anything else he would've said gets cut off as Dan shoots him in the side, making him fall back with a yelp.




Outside, the throng of people jumped when they heard the bang of a gunshot. And if the five knew, they could imagine that every nearby newstation was now riveted back to that lone building.




"WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT FOR?!" MoI yells in between groaning from the pain.

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His finger slowly curled around the trigger.

MoI's grew wider.

The trigger got pulled.

And when it was all over, they made one last check for those tell-tale letters, and found none for the last time.




"This is a hard line of work. Not just the labor involved each night, but the commitment made each day to those we have sworn to help, protect, and defend from any harm, inside and out. That's not to say that I don't wish it was less, but I don't regret the choice I made then."

"Do you regret it now, then?"

"...No, I can't say I do. Just wish that this wasn't how I ended up."

"Yes, a bullet through the head does keep one from doing his line of work, doesn't it, MoI?"




???


The old friend sinks back into his chair, rubbing his temple as he watches the TV.

"You win this one, Old Man," he mutters, feeling somewhat peeved, sort of. Getting up, he leaves the TV on to make a call as the camera shows the doors to the headquaters opening.




A crack like a whip echoed through the grounds of the building and the outlying area, knocking everyone there into a sort of tense silence. No one dared to move, only looking at each other with side glances with their eyes, wondering what might be next but fearing what it'll be.

Then some near the front began pointing at the door, which was beginning to inch open, and were shouting behind them to attract the other's attention. Before long, Luckyjt, ActionDan, Feirei, and RainbowDash seemingly had the entire nation's eyes directly on them as they stepped out of the building, shielding their eyes from the late-day sun to take in the sight of all the people.

"...Did you know about this?" Feirei asks no one in particular.

"I don't think any of us could've," Rainbowdash sighs. "But we're alive, at least."

"Amen," Lucky murmurs.




It took a couple days of interviews, private talks, and public investigations to really sort most of the happenings out. The police Chief's death, unfortunately, couldn't be solved, as the 13's self-imposed isolation helped decay the body enough that most methods of investigation were most useless, a lack of closure the four undoubtedly wished they had. The "old friend", despite it being clear to them that he was the one who killed the chief, was still able to escape.

The experience, though, had bonded the four, in a way. They couldn't exactly call each other "friends" (not that some of them didn't form that pairing), but they had a sort of mutual understanding of each other that came from. It was enough to help each other cope with what happened, at least, and that would have to suffice.

They all attended the chief's funeral service a couple days later, able to at least share this one last moment with their fallen comrade. While closure was still out of their grasp, this last moment they have with him, will have to do.

MagnaofIllusion,
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