TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[GreyICE]

Also my favorite defense whine from scum after the fact is "oh my god, you voted me for terrible reasons, waaaa waaaaa"

Anyway, Glork and Haylen have some weighing in to do, and Haylen votes are needed.

[Glork]

Why are people talking about hypothetical vigilantes like it's mainstream now?

MoI wishes to know if you think Haylen is scum or not, Glork.

I would second this.

Because the 'yeah you're a good vote... *15 seconds elapse* Vote: Delta' isn't doing it for either of us

Back on the fence. I will say that my slight town read on her has evaporated. As I indicated earlier, given the timing of her going "oh yeah, my team says you're scum" and the fact that half her team hadn't been active for six hours, it REALLY sounds like that was fabricated.

But, I wouldn't put it past Haylen to be completely psycho and irrational and post fabricated bullshit as town.

Oh, you can agree with Glork, but when you just repeat what he says with no regard for my rebuttal then your motives become suspect. It's one thing to identify a good argument and advance it, but it's another thing to latch onto a bad argument and repeat it even though I've provided evidence that directly refutes it.

I have yet to see a case against me. Glorks lack of answering my questions solidifies my belief he is scum.

Delta - How can I be scum if Murasa is buddying me?

I will admit that I feel weird that my top scumreads are engaged in a Mexican standoff right now. Nevertheless I don't want to get caught up in WIFOM.

Holy shit this is bad.

First part: Do I really need to link a GreyICE/UberNinja iso? Because holy shit, UN is all over Grey's nuts this game. Buddying like a fucking madman, he is. And yet, Delta will OGMUS jasonT for kind of sheeping me, while ignoring the cock-sucking machine that is UberNinja.

Second part: "Yeah, it's unlikely that my top suspects are trying to rip each other's throats out, but that's okay! I'll let my suspicions remain convenient and consistent!"

If anybody can find evidence that Delta's actually trying, and isn't completely full of shit, please present it to me. Because I'm really not seeing it.


Captain, jasonT really isn't the direction to go right now. Can we please revisit it at another time? I don't see myself voting for him at any point ever, and this is getting pedantic.

UN's defense of DeltaWave is noted.

Murasa's meta-ing of me, and iamausername's response to it in Post 490 begs an important question: Grey and UN, do either of you know a thing about my scum-meta? If so, what?

Grey, you don't think Delta's scum? Really?

and talk about Glork a bit

Please, don't let the other eleven players in this game stop you from continuing to talk about me.

Glork.
Reads on CooLDoG. Now

Hasn't done much for me. Could be the token scum in Delta's "I would lynch any of the top four" if it isn't Haylen.
I wouldn't mind seeing this guy die.

At the end of the day, all you do is OMGUS GreyICE.

Not really. He's got some solid scumhunting instincts. I think he's just EXTREMELY susceptible to flattery.

Grey, remember what you told me you'd do to me if you were scum in Blood Bowl? Protip: That's exactly how scum should treat you. Kiss your ass and follow your lead, and you'll call them all protown. It's now UN (not saying he's scum, just that he's done literally nothing but sheep you so far) has treated you, and you just plunk him in the protown category simply because he "agrees" with you on everything. When people (inte, MoS, BB) show resistance or disagreement, especially if it includes any kind of discrediting or suspicion of you, you seem to fly off the deep end.



IDK. If I had to pick a group of three right now, I guess it'd be DeltaWave, UberNinja, and... fuck. Haylen, Cooldog, or PereV (who I keep forgetting is even IN this game), in that order.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Should read (inte, MoS, me). I had Blood Bowl on the mind and typo'd that shit.

[Glork]

Grey.

Consistency is a scumtell.

I will admit that I feel weird that my top scumreads are engaged in a Mexican standoff right now. Nevertheless I don't want to get caught up in WIFOM.

Please. For the love of god. Explain to me how you don't want DeltaWave dead right now.

[DeltaWave]

Hey Glork. Do you know what bussing is?

[Glork]

Quiet, scum, big kids are talking.

[DeltaWave]

Quiet, scum, big kids are talking.

Looks like you've moved onto your next crapcase without even addressing my rebuttal to your last one. Oh well.

Just because people I suspect are pointing the finger at each other won't diminish my suspicions. I don't know if you've ever heard of a concept called "bussing", where scum point fingers at each other in order to make it seem like they're not connected. The existence of that concept is why I'm not going to clear people because they are voting each other.

[Glork]

So

Glork

DeltaWave
Team Mafia
The scum team totes loses points if scum gets lynched day 1
Cuts down the odds of bussing severely
Discuss

[Glork]

bah. should be

tag, not

tag.

[DeltaWave]

Doesn't matter. I'm not going to give someone a free pass because of bussing.

[Glork]

Do you agree that busing D1 is unlikely given GreyICE's observation of Team Mafia Rules/Scoring?

[GreyICE]

Actually, glork, you'd be interested to know two things:

1) Voting for my scum suspects is a far more effective method of buddying than telling me how awesome I am. I left VezokPiraka alive for three days as obvscum because he kept voting people I wanted lynched (multiscum yay!).

2) Our quicktopic contains several reads on UberNinja, the strongest of which was for post 476, from MoI (which we pretty much all agreed with without question):

I'm interested in hearing why I'm a suspect of DW even though he hasn't mentioned me at all beforehand.

This should be obvious. Your adamant defense of Haylen has awarded you many scumpoints

On the contrary. If Haylen's scum, that makes Capt. Murasa more likely to be

town

.

Regarding Haylen (whether she's scum OR town) I'd expect scum to take a conflicting stance and not either be in favor of, or opposed to, the wagon. Either that or take multiple conflicting stances one after the other (a la Glork) to muddy the waters and dilute the case on Haylen so as to distract from her lynch if she's a scum buddy.

My vote can go on any one of Glrok, MoS, or Haylen. In no particular order.

Frankly, at this point the ONLY reason I'd consider UberNinja scum is if you flipped scum because you'd be mocking me. And probably not even then.

You haven't addressed a damn thing I've said about UberNinja, and have in fact dismissed it all as 'oh he buddies GreyICE.'

Frankly, that's a fucking good reason to lynch you. A very good reason.

Oh, read CooLDoG's ISO and give me some specific opinions. Not opinions 'after we did some other things.'

P.S. DeltaWave is voting for Haylen. That makes him good people in my book. See? You could be good people too if you bussed.

[GreyICE]

P.P.S. I thought you thought that bussing was very possible because winning > tiebreaker points and if the town thought you wouldn't bus that's all the better.

Or am I misrepresenting you

[GreyICE]

P.P.P.S. I'm buddying UberNinja really hard. Why don't you man up and attack me for buddying him~

[Glork]

Already told you, Grey, if I were scum, I would be following like a puppy dog on a leash. You're easy to manipulate.

The thing is, I really don't give a flying fuck. I think my ability to read these players is better than your entire team's, so I'm not going to cave to peer pressure anymore.

[Glork]

P.P.S. I thought you thought that bussing was very possible because winning > tiebreaker points and if the town thought you wouldn't bus that's all the better.

Or am I misrepresenting you

It is *possible*, but you're missing the point I'm trying to make. Delta's literally using "but it's possible" in order to keep his suspicions consistent, despite your suggestion that his supsicions don't make sense.

That's a fucking scumtell.

[GreyICE]

Cool.

Well, I'll be over here wagonning your scumbuddy.

Feel free to join in any time, for exactly 0 town credit.

Thanks for not answering about the CooLDoG thing, btw. I'd love to know why you're voting DeltaWave over him, buuuuttt.

[Glork]

EBWOP: To elaborate, at the SAME TIME HE IS ACCUSING ME OF BEING SCUM, he is saying that MY SUGGESTION IS MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR SUGGESTION.

Think for like TWO seconds, Grey. Seriously.

[Glork]

I'd love to know why you're voting DeltaWave over him, buuuuttt.

Because DeltaWave has committed several concrete scumtells, and CoolDog is just an inkling?

Like, are you actually this retarded, and you've been fooling me this entire time, that I need to put those words into a post?

[DeltaWave]

Do you agree that busing D1 is unlikely given GreyICE's observation of Team Mafia Rules/Scoring?

WIFOM. Like I said, I'm not going to absolve someone of suspicion because of bussing. Not going to happen.

I'd love to know why you're voting DeltaWave over him, buuuuttt.

Because DeltaWave has committed several concrete scumtells, and CoolDog is just an inkling?

Like, are you actually this retarded, and you've been fooling me this entire time, that I need to put those words into a post?

lol

[Glork]

I'm not asking you to absolve anyone of suspicion. I'm asking you to assess the possibility that somewhere in your top three, you've made a mistake. You said you'd be willing to lynch any of your top 4, and I sincerely doubt town would say that.

[GreyICE]

Well it's my suggestion, so obviously it's superior to your suggestion. Why now that you pointed it out, I can see it too! My ideas are obviously all superior than anyone else's. Also, scum can never suggest anything pro-town, and I have never suggested a pro-town idea as scum in order to buy town cred and neither has any other player on this site. The most reliable way to catch scum is sit around and discuss mafia theory and whoever has the best grasp on mafia theory is clearly town!

Did you miss the fact that I agreed with you too? Yep, your point carried the day.

I'm one vote, Glork, and I'm not moving off Haylen. She has done pretty much zero scumhunting of any form, and is fucking terrible to boot. I'd like to see her dead.

Very.
Very.
Dead.

P.S. Delta is town. CooLDoG is scum. You are not paying any fucking attention, and that's bad.

[DeltaWave]

I'm not asking you to absolve anyone of suspicion. I'm asking you to assess the possibility that somewhere in your top three, you've made a mistake. You said you'd be willing to lynch any of your top 4, and I sincerely doubt town would say that.

Oh yeah? I said I'd be willing to VOTE for any of my top 4. (Post #421)

Which part of saying "I'll vote for the people I find the most scummy" is suspicious to you?

[Glork]

*facepalm*

Vote, Lynch, same thing. I've got an idea! Let's argue semantics instead of behaving cooperatively.

You're still failing to address how you can reconcile these three things:
1) Aside from "WIFOM" (which is bullshit, and you know it), you cannot explain why scum would bus D1, when it is very CLEARLY a suboptimal strategy for scum
2) Your stated top suspects are in, as you describe it, a "Mexican standoff"
3) Despite 1) and 2), you choose not to reconsider any of your suspects because....?

[DeltaWave]

My top scum reads have done nothing to make me reconsider, that's why.