TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[GreyICE]

TWICE

[CooLDoG]

really sorry about this, but something came up today. I'm going to need one more v/la day. I will catch up on this. I promise.

[GreyICE]

SCCCCCCCCCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

SCUMDOG

SCUM SCUM SCUM

[Glork]

Now that I've recovered from my mild heart attack, I can answer this:

Also, MoI notes:

You just admitted you think we're both town (alternatively you think we're both scum, but)
You just asked him to vote for Haylen, rather than your 'scum suspect' DeltaWave.

He suggests that town Glork would ask Uber to vote for town-Glork's strongest scum suspect. Not a wagon that is NOT his strongest scum suspect.

You may have some idea of how close I am to shelving Haylen until day 2.

Gimme the reason I need, Glork. Come on.

That doesn't make any sense.

It's pretty much public knowledge that Uber has zero interest in lynching Delta, so why would I ask him to move from me onto my top suspect?
He has, however, expressed plenty of desire to lynch Haylen, who's on my short list, and it would also be consistent with his constant sheeping of you.
Please ask MoI how he thought that me asking UN to move to Delta is, in any way, shape, or form, a worthwhile request?

Also, how on earth did I "admit" that I think you're both of the same alignment? I was acknowledging your mutual cock-sucking throughout the game, nothing more, nothing less. UN has followed you around like a puppy dog up until his "policy lynch," so that's exactly what I was referring to.




PEdit: Where did you fake-claim in BB?

[Glork]

Oh, the "vigilante" claim that was obviously not real considering you had just claimed vanilla townie in our massclaim?

I guess techincally, that counts. But anybody who gave it even an ounce of consideration deserved to be beaten with a stick. You were obviously talking about your MVP shot, and PereV was just derping like caughtscum.

[GreyICE]

I fakeclaimed 1-shot reflexive roleblocker. I was actually a 1-shot bulletproof.

I just didn't want to claim 1-shot bulletproof because lol@my chances of ever being shot after claiming that.

Also breadcrumbed doctor which is why Tierce thought I was scum in the deadthread. Buuuuuttt, game is over and done with.

Frankly I'll happily wait 24 hours for CooLDoG content though, I've read CD as town quite a few times, and I don't read those walls of blech as town.

[Glork]

Ah, I see. I had no idea that was a fakeclaim, I never looked at your role PM after the game.

By the bye, CES says you do fakeclaim all the time as town, because you're bad at this game.

[GreyICE]

Tell CES he's still a policy lynch for being better as scum than he is as town. And all of my fakeclaims have been awesome and usually catch scum. About 4 times in 5 I'm legit claiming though.

[Glork]

By that logic, I should be a policy never-lynch-before-day-before-LyLo.

See, I'm of the opinion that players should strive to be good enough to where they don't have to fakeclaim ever. Nobody ever used to fakeclaim as town, it was seen as strictly taboo. I also feel like you have the potential to be a phenomenal player just by classic scumhunting, but you're too flippant and immature to put all the pieces together. This discussion is probably served for post-TM, though.

[UberNinja]

Can we stop talking about other games and talk about this game please thanks

[PeregrineV]

@Glork- I read Delta as town. I get the thought processes behind his answers and questions.

@Grey-Nice analysis on last years team mafia roles.

@Haylen-

b) someone explains to glork and pere that asking me to prove discussions in my qt is akin to asking me to prove my role.

I never asked that.

I said this and this and finally this after you ignored the first two.
And are you seriously trying to blackmail the thread, threatening to "withhold posts" until some condition is met?

You should vote yourself to show how truly exasperated you are....

[GreyICE]

Can we stop talking about other games and talk about this game please thanks

See Glork, this is why he's town. Or she. See Hiraki-sig.

Anyway, it's time for Haylen termination. We'll have the MD discussion post-game.

[DeltaWave]

Here's the problem Glork.

To be very clear, I'm accusing you of trumping up the case on me. This is because you are being inconsistent with what you consider scumtells. This goes back to the post I made, in which I provided the reasons for my top three suspects. You called that post a "stock non-answer" even though I gave reasons and even linked to the posts that made me suspicious. At the same time, you are overlooking Murasa, who hasn't pointed to

anything

solid other than gut and speculation. Almost your entire case revolves around this "stock non-answer" argument, and that's apparently enough to send you into a suicide 1v1, but why not apply the same standard to Murasa? This is an inconsistency.

You tried to play this off in 635 as me asking you to explain why Murasa is town. I'm not asking you to explain that. I want you to explain this inconsistency. You've dodged this numerous times now and have outright refused to answer, so I don't expect a reply, but I'm pointing out the scumminess of what you are doing. There are only two possibilities for this kind of behavior: either you're scum, or you have colossal tunnel-vision right now. Since you described yourself as this master mafia player I'm not inclined to believe #2.

I still find it scummy that you don't see Jason's blind sheeping as even the slightest bit suspicious.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I can't stop trollololing that GreyICE thinks I'm trying to bring the laziness of my town play down to match my scum effort rather than the other way around. Just goes to show how little he knows about the shit he spews.

[UberNinja]

You just don't get it, do you?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Exactly my point. =P

[iamausername]

This Glork/Delta slapfight that's taken up most of the last five pages is hella frustrating, because I think there's a strong likelihood that both are town.

EYES ON THE PRIZE, PEOPLE.

Anyway, it's time for Haylen termination.

It was time for Haylen termination about fifteen goddamn pages ago.

Here's a reminder for everyone:

Post 118: Haylen tells GreyICE that he (and his team) cannot read her, votes GreyICE.
Post 143: Haylen explicitly states that GreyICE is "the scummiest person to [her] right now."
Post 156: Commence backpedalling. Haylen moves her vote off of GreyICE, says that he is "bad bad town".
Post 251: Haylen claims that this whole time, when she was voting GreyICE and calling him "the scummiest person", she was "trying to convince everyone he was talking bullcrap and thus is town".
Post 496: When I question her about this blatant lie, she ignores the questions, and continues to insist that there is no case on her. When I draw attention to the questions she is ignoring, she claims that she "didn't notice" them, then

goes right on ignoring them

.

Beneath the following spoiler tags is a list of everything Haylen has said about who is scum in this game.

Spoiler: Guess what they have in common!

You're exaggerating here and you were exaggerating when you said nobody could find more than 2 of my normal games which is quite interesting when 6 of them are listed on my wiki.

Vote GreyICE

Glork's voting me when he said my defence isn't scummy. Voting patterns inconsistent with opinions -> noted.

Murasa, why is Uber town? My read on him is currently leaning scum.

Not this early in the game, I'm not. It's 6 pages in and I'm not 100% sure you[GreyICE]'re scum, you're just the scummiest person to me right now.

I'm voting you for you're scummy behaviour since the beginning of the day.

By the way, if I get lynched today, there's at least 2 scum on my wagon.

So that's L-1.

Parama wants me to tell you you're scum, Slaxx.

CLEAR YOUR FUCKING BRAINS AND GET ON A REAL WAGON.

Unvote
Vote Uberninja

Whoever still thinks Haylen might be town hasn't read GreyICE's posts.

Whoever still thinks Uber might be town hasn't read Uberninja's posts.

My team thinks you[Glork]'re scum.

Didn't notice iams questions, perhaps that should have crossed his mind. Also, semantics arguments are so fail. I don't think you're town.

Dislike delta purely for the murasa is buddying me therefore i have to be scum which will never ever make sense.

Did you get it? No? OK, I'll tell you: the list of players that Haylen has ever called scum corresponds

exactly

with the list of players who have voted Haylen.

Scumhunting!

[GreyICE]

I can't stop trollololing that GreyICE thinks I'm trying to bring the laziness of my town play down to match my scum effort rather than the other way around. Just goes to show how little he knows about the shit he spews.

Hey MoS, why are you voting for DeltaWave right now? I asked you this, now I ask you it again. References to unique opinions not your own are required.

Also, if there is a vig, he should shoot CooLDoG. But lets say he does shoot you and you do flip town, well... here's the amount we'd all care

[Haylen]

Iam: That's because the people voting me are voting me for stupid reasons and should definitely know better. There is no case on me, it's a ridiculous pile of bullcrap. Now tell me, why those things you stated are scummy?

When I draw attention to the questions she is ignoring, she claims that she "didn't notice" them, then goes right on ignoring them.

I'm V/LA every weekend. I answer the more pressing things only then.

[quote="Iam']So why were you voting him?

For reasons I already stated in thread. Go look them up, I'm not reposting.

Why were you saying things like "you're the scummiest person to me right now"?

Because he was?

How do you expect anyone to believe this?

Because it's true and I was voting him.

Why do people seem to believe this?

Because my votes and opinions are consistant with each other.[/quote]
Because you seem to be strawmanning me, I would have prefered to be sticking a massive middle finger up at you, but I wont because right now I'm feeling quite nice.

Your above argument is bullshit.
Your semantics argument is bullshit. (by the way, only scum need to reach that hard)
Your 716 is also bullshit. Because you don't explain why the thing you have stated are scummy.

I'll answer the rest when it isn't 2am.

[GreyICE]

Iam: That's because the people voting me are voting me for stupid reasons and should definitely know better. There is no case on me, it's a ridiculous pile of bullcrap. Now tell me, why those things you stated are scummy?

When I draw attention to the questions she is ignoring, she claims that she "didn't notice" them, then goes right on ignoring them.

I'm V/LA every weekend. I answer the more pressing things only then.

[quote="Iam']So why were you voting him?

For reasons I already stated in thread. Go look them up, I'm not reposting.

Why were you saying things like "you're the scummiest person to me right now"?

Because he was?

How do you expect anyone to believe this?

Because it's true and I was voting him.

Why do people seem to believe this?

Because my votes and opinions are consistant with each other.

Because you seem to be strawmanning me, I would have prefered to be sticking a massive middle finger up at you, but I wont because right now I'm feeling quite nice.

Your above argument is bullshit.
Your semantics argument is bullshit. (by the way, only scum need to reach that hard)
Your 716 is also bullshit. Because you don't explain why the thing you have stated are scummy.

I'll answer the rest when it isn't 2am.[/quote][/quote]


HEY GLORK

THIS

LYNCH THIS

[Haylen]

Quil doesn't think Glork is scum.

Grey: I vote for who I think is most likely scum. Yeah, Delta's up there but right now my eyes are on Glork.

To whoever told me to vote myself: Nope. My team would be losing points. I'm trying to help them gain them.

I'd also like to say that Iam's semantics argument is the vaguest semantics argument I've had the misfortune of reading.

PRE-EDIT Grey: Right now I really do hope you lynch me. As it'll be an awesome bitchslap losing points for your team. Go on, do it. I'll actually enjoy the satisfying feeling. You need to stop shoving cacti up your jacksie by the way, it might make you less high-strung.

[Haylen]

@ Pere - It was the last one I was on about. I CAN'T FUCKING PROVE CONVERSATIONS FROM MY QUICKTOPIC WITHOUT COPY/PASTING THE LINK IN HERE. THE FACT I'M BEING CALLED SCUM AND PEOPLE KNOW I CAN'T DISPROVE IT WITHOUT BEING MODKILLED IS FUCKING IDIOCY.

COMPRENDE?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hey MoS, why are you voting for DeltaWave right now? I asked you this, now I ask you it again. References to unique opinions not your own are required.

References #1

References #2

Pretty sure those are both unique and not my own.

[GreyICE]

Right, I know CD is scum and all, but... Please someone vig this oxygen-waster. No human alive can determine the alignment of a person dead set on being useless.

Actually tempted to start a CD wagon, but HAYLEN.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh, and this is how your play has been

this

every game, GreyICE: