Experimental Role Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[pappums rat]

Vote: pidgey

[Majiffy]

Care to elaborate, pappums?

[chesskid3]

Yeah, I made up a fakeclaim with a suiciding part.

woooooooooooo you sure are a bright one

[Tierce]

chess, here is what I don't understand: you say that the person who shot Peregrine isn't town--but how does that relate to your ability, when you don't know who you're talking to and I assume you don't know who they shot either? Makes no sense.

Vi clearly didn't shoot Peregrine--as a modified SK, he'd want to strike someone that would attract attention that night, since Vi's ability apparently surpasses doc protections. I could see Vi targetting MoI; any watchers or docs on MoI would die too.

If Peregrine weren't dead, I'd be voting him right now.

Sad to see DeathNote die. He WAS obvtown, but I didn't expect everyone to see him that way. I have a hard time ascribing that kill to scum, unlike Vi. PeregrineV was obvobv vig - or at best, opposing scum factions hunting other scum - but the third party flip and the "Aegis faction" flip does suggest DN was probably killed by scum.

VOTE: Tierce

Nothing has changed since yesterday, plus defense of FG, etc.

I want to re-read yesterday and see who was all about soft defenses of FG besides PeregrineV.

Pine obv not scum with FG. FL either. I remember that much.

Oh okay so I came into the game defending my scumbuddy with turrets instead of taking the easy bus for towncred. Sure. It's a perfectly sensible play that matches my typical scum meta.

'Nothing has changed' when there are four flips and you vote the counterwagon to D1 scum? I'm obvtown, Amrun. What do you think of the people involved in both wagons?


AV, Parama didn't have any notes. He was trolling. It's his MO.

ALSO who was all like, "Mah baby don't mess around, because she loves me so and this I know fo shoooooo"

Prob language/cultural barrier. What does this mean?

Most subtle softclaims ever.

Four flips since your last post, and this is all you have to add? Thoughts please? Who is scum?

Why dram and not Amrun?

@Group, do you think Tierce & FG are/were teammates, or do you think Tierce was the counterwagon. I want everyone on record with this.

What is

your

opinion?

Not until 767 does he post, and here is his comments on FG (underline added for emphasis):

Not true. And he had some pretty good insight before #767, too, like Post 184, Post 261, Post 450. Why misrepresent him like this?

[pidgey]

finishes the post by throwing out 4 other names to consider

"So, I'm not convinced by any of the 2 wagons and not many people are convinced. I will think about it as I study and join one before I go to bed if I must, but:
a)Briz wagon going down makes me sad.
b)Pappum is acting very fishy, not giving much of reads while giving fluff.
c)Havingfits is fluffing and coasting the game, imo.
d)IAI vote to "HEAT THINGS UP" is stupid."

He had scumreads he preferred to see wagoned other than the main wagons, and would rather vote those, BUT is willing to consign his vote to the main wagons with 24h to deadline. Look at the timing. How does that make him scum?
The way you address him as scum ('FakeGod's teammate', 'Tierce's possible teammate') throughout this post makes it look like you call pidgey scum and then try to figure what makes him scum. The case seems fabricated.

Post 778, he still does this stuff where he hints at a bus but still defends his teammate FG (and possible second teammate Tierce) "I can actually see the possibility somewhere that MAYBE fakegod is scum and his lynch might be salvaged for a day from the amount of people that have joined the wagon and went out. I doubt he might be scum from his play though. But I doubt it more with Tierce, honestly."

This is not inconsistent with the train of thought of someone who legitimately thinks FakeGod and I are town and is trying to figure out where to place his vote to make a difference if need be, with the wagons around the same size. Why do you think it's scummy?

Post 782, more of the same as he addresses his teammate "...I just think you both are town and this lynch isnt really worth it one way or another. But i still think you have a slightly better chance to flip scum maybe."

Again, not inconsistent with town-think.

Post 801, after Parama votes FG, FG claims, MOI votes FG to L-1, the meaningless bus hammer vote comes
"There's less than 6 hours remaining.
No other wagon will form.
vote: Fakegod"

vote: Pidgey

Point taken here, though; the timing feels like he wanted to squash further discussion after the claim.

I need to re-evaluate that whole situation but I'm in a bus station.

Side note: You have no idea how many times I had to read this until it clicked. Mafia terminology makes RL expressions stop making sense even when the origin is the same. >.> (As an aside to the aside, did you know that 'bus' comes from Latin and is actually just a particle meaning 'for'? Yeah. /pointless Latin studies trivia)

I think Tierce could be FG's partner, but that it's unlikely. She refused to vote him, even to save herself. I would have expected a bus if she was scum with fg.

Again this makes no sense. Tierce came stroming into the thread saying “FakeGod is Town it makes no sense for him to be wagoned” and trying to divert to a number of other people. When said play back-fired and she suddenly became the FG counterwagon she couldn’t exactly say “Hmmm nevermind let’s lynch FakeGod” and not expect for people to view it as anything other than a “save my ass” bus.

Option C) I thought FakeGod was town and as a VT I won't jump on counterwagons to save my skin in a game called

Experimental Role

.


FL is ridiculously town for that Parama vote. I can explain this, would rather not.

2. Your logic here is bad. Scum FakeGod claimed an investigation role. Castigating him for hammering scum is quite terrible. Pidgey is unlikely his partner since Tierce claiming VT means that the deadline rush would strongly favor Tierce (unknown alignment) getting the rope over now confirmed scum FakeGod.

Word. Scum pidgey could easily vote me solely on the difference of the claims and have no problem today with it. (Fake edit: see end of post, though.)

Do you know if your target recommendation was targetting scum? I assume not.

It didn't target scum if it targeted Peregrineofctown. Why ask chess if he knew the alignment of the target? If he had a guilty, he would have claimed it by now.

I don't know whose head I' in.
I do know my suggestion was received and ignored.
And I do know I can drive him mad, killing us both (so that's a pretty clear indicator that there's 1 voice per head).

So you think said role is a 3rd Party killing role? In addition to Vi flipping effectively a Modified Serial Killer?

Because the other option is it is a scum member and unless said member is REQUIRED to make the kill for his team (and subject to all sorts of danger there) then suiciding them because you are pissed said person ignored your input is pretty petty and stupid FMPOV.

Why would taking out one scum/3rd party and one town be 'petty and stupid'? I think I'm missing something here. Do you think that chess's 'partner' is town? Why?

3rd party. And it really doesn't matter if you can't think of a reason for it, the flip is pretty blatantly there. Also check the name of the thread again and stop overthinking obvious things.

No. FakeGod flipped 'Aegis faction'. Vi flipped Third Party.

I didn't see Tierce's flip and I don't see the four flips that are out there clearing her.

Look at the wagons yesterday:

Brizingre1 (3) chesskid3, Pidgey, Hiraki

DeathNote

(1) Malthusis
sword_of_omens (2) Dramonic,

PeregrineV

Parama (1) AurorusVox
I Am Innocent (1) Tierce

FakeGod

(9) FaerieLord, pappums rat, Pine, Brizingre1,

DeathNote

, I Am Innocent, MagnaOfIllusion, havingfitz, bunnylover
Amrun (1)

FakeGod

Tierce (4) sword_of_omens, hiplop,

Vi

, Amrun
Malthusis (1) Parama

Pine (3) Tierce, Hiraki,

FakeGod

Brizingre1 (1) Pidgey

FakeGod

(9) FaerieLord, pappums rat, Pine, Brizingre1,

DeathNote

, bunnylover, Dramonic,

PeregrineV

, Shadoweh
Tierce (8) hiplop,

Vi

, Amrun, MagnaOfIllusion, havingfitz, chesskid3, I Am Innocent, AurorusVox
Shadoweh (1) Parama

Not Voting (1) - Majiffy

Pine (3) Tierce, Hiraki,

FakeGod

FakeGod

(12)

FaerieLord, pappums rat, Pine, Brizingre1,

DeathNote

, bunnylover, Dramonic,

PeregrineV

, Shadoweh, Parama, MagnaOfIllusion, Pidgey
Tierce (7) hiplop,

Vi

, Amrun, havingfitz, chesskid3, I Am Innocent, AurorusVox

Not Voting (1) - Majiffy

Does your vote make sense?


Majiffy is pretty sure not-Aegis. vijay-Pine--not so much.


O hai.
VOTE: pidgey
Thanks pappums. Votes here please.

IaI potential partner trying to force a bus.

[Tierce]

If anyone feels the need to claim miller now would be a good time to do so.

Vote: pidgey

Anytime, folks.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Vijay

Mod: Votecount?

[chesskid3]

if they were town they would have tried to figure out the alignment of the VOICE in their head, since IaI is a fucking GOOD vigshot.

not ignored it.

Yeah maybe they;'re still town but we need :reasons: so they should claim

[Amrun]

Amrun- i already explained it. I think that some of the mafia might has been bussing fakegod but when a viable counterwagon formed in tierce, they changed their vote.

Learn to read.

Frankly i dont care if you want to vote me, in fact it would just make you look even scummier in my eyes. Its funny because IaI said his case on 838 and you COULD have commented ANYTHING or at least say you have some form of read on me in your post at 845???

Oh but then i say im suspicious of you in 848. And NOW you have something to comment about the IaI case? Lol.

But that same thing applies to a bunch of people, not just me. And yes I DID bring FG out of obscurity. Saying anything otherwise is plain falsehood.

I didn't comment on the other things because I was MOVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I didn't have computer access or time. I was reading along on my phone, but long posts are a pain, so I just waited until I got computer access today and posted what felt relevant to me during that 10 minutes I had for this game.

I think I've missed something drastic in my moving shuffle. Wtf has chesskid claimed?

[Amrun]

if they were town they would have tried to figure out the alignment of the VOICE in their head, since IaI is a fucking GOOD vigshot.

not ignored it.

Yeah maybe they;'re still town but we need :reasons: so they should claim

what voice? what the fuck are you even talking about?

[Amrun]

Oh okay so I came into the game defending my scumbuddy with turrets instead of taking the easy bus for towncred. Sure. It's a perfectly sensible play that matches my typical scum meta.

'Nothing has changed' when there are four flips and you vote the counterwagon to D1 scum? I'm obvtown, Amrun. What do you think of the people involved in both wagons?

Uh, first of all, YES, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE AS SCUMPLAY IN MULTIBALL ESPECIALLY. Like, wtf? Is that a real question?

Second of all, why ignore that I'm saying you're probably not an FG partner, but I still think you're scum?

And I clearly meant nothing has changed in regards to you specifically, not the entire game. You're NOT obvtown - what makes you think that you are?

Plenty has changed due to the results of last night. I have several town (well, non-Aegis) reads. I think pidgey could easily be scum with FG. I know there's much more to glean from that day, but I've been too busy to read it again so far. I'll get around to it.

[pidgey]

Not sure why tierce is voting me, since i tout he was kind of acing me up against IaI in his post and then ended with a vote on me for some reason.

[pidgey]

I you think pappum is bussing me, why not vote him instead first since i did a kind of town move hammering fakegod? Also, pappum is just riding a wagon that is starting to have heat. He is doing it bevauae he is omgusing my read on him, which was as scum when i first catched up some pages ago.

[pidgey]

I mean, tierce, wtf has pappum done to make you sheep his one liner crap vote?

[Tierce]

It's called a cop guilty~ I think IaI is scum and his case on you doesn't hit points of scumminess on you, but you go first and then he does for being a buddy trying to sacrifice a less experienced team member in a way that comes accross as forced.


Fair enough for you, Amrun, but from my perspective, it doesn't--I know how I play.

And I didn't realize you were touting me as not-Aegis. Makes slightly more sense that way, but still... Wish I was ever so lucky as to be in a large with two wagons on scum D1.

As for being obvtown, er, my entire play? The fact that I'm always painfully obvious as town to pretty much anyone but you? I can go on, but HF or IaI or someone will probably go OMG SELF META KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT or some nonsense, so whatever, I'll drop that.

[Tierce]

pappums's can also be typically unrecruitable traitor play (Katsuki did EXACTLY that in Tiger MetaTiger), but I'm not taking any chances. If you flip town, pappums goes next. 1 for 1 trades are bad for scum and good for town.

[pidgey]

Well ill just ask not to be hammered before i claim then, but i assure you im not guilty. Pappums gonna have a lot to explain when i flip town and when i claim what i have to claim if he is not bullshitting around.

There is no way for pappum himself to have dirt on me, thats all im gonna say.

Id also like pappum to confirm he has a cop guilty on me.

[Bunnylover]

Vote: Pidgey

[pidgey]

is a fake

[Amrun]

OH SNAP lol

I totally missed that. Woo, moving will do that to you.

VOTE: pidgey

[pidgey]

Please dont hammer me before
a) Pappums confirms he has guilty on me
b) I claim
Possible c) Prolonging the game day for townsake even if im the hammer could be nice, too.

[Amrun]

I you think pappum is bussing me, why not vote him instead first since i did a kind of town move hammering fakegod?

lol

"I hammered scum in a plurality lynch! Me no bus!"

[pidgey]

lol

Also dont forget my reads, IaI, Amrun, Pappum/Havingfitz, in that order.

Anyway waiting for pappum to confirm he has something, i'll claim when he does.

[chesskid3]

if they were town they would have tried to figure out the alignment of the VOICE in their head, since IaI is a fucking GOOD vigshot.

not ignored it.

Yeah maybe they;'re still town but we need :reasons: so they should claim

what voice? what the fuck are you even talking about?

ME YOU CLOD

[pappums rat]

There is no way for pappum himself to have dirt on me, thats all im gonna say.

What exactly does this mean?

[pidgey]

That i'm town? Claim if you have a cop result on me, right now.