TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[hitogoroshi]

Quilford, seriously dude, I think you're getting way more worked up then you should be about Fonz.

So, T-Bone returns in #242 and his top suspects just so happen to be the two with the biggest wagons? Either this guy can't think for himself, or he's scum. Plus thinks Captain Ajax is scum, and yet I'm one of his top town reads without any explanation when I've spent most of the day trying to destroy the CA wagon?

Look how mad Fonz is for not being recognized for his efforts to dismantle the Ajax wagon. If I had to bet he was really sure this was a crap wagon and he wanted to make sure he'd be listened to on an Ajax mislynch.

I mean, if nothing else, we're not lynching Fonz tomorrow because we're lynching Magua tomorrow. But you really seem to be applying standards to Fonz in a conf. biasy way. Shit dude, I sometimes just assert my reads without evidence because I think it's the right move, it's sometimes the right move. For that matter, you rag on Fonz for 'unexplained reads' DIRECTLY AFTER your list of every player in the game with a one-word read after them.

You're almost certainly town what with the Ajax crusade, barring a crazy Ajax townflip, but seriously, you're in a self-sustaining tunnel right now. Fonz isn't my strongest town read or anything (maybe like 5th from the top? still pretty town), and certainly I'll consider a scum case on him, but your current thing is just running on it's own power. Take a step back and

look again.

Besides, I think my calling the scumteam was right all along, remember this shit?

Captain Ajax - His hitogoroshi vote was horrible. Both times. Overall though, he's not setting off any alarms.

hitogoroshi - I wish I had played with hitogoroshi previous because something is bothering me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Town read though.

Gaoth - One post and there's a wagon? Feels opportunistic as fuck. Null read, for what it's worth.

Quilford - Scum.

theamatuer - has yet to post anything pro-town.

xRECKONERx - Aw man, he scum slipped in Post 96.

Ajax isn't setting off any alarms, aside from the two alarms he set off. Gaoth voters are "opportunistic as fuck". theam has "yet to post anything protown", doesn't actually call him scum. His votes on theam, even though quilford is "scum" and reck "scumslipped". (I know he said he was 'getting quilfords attention', but circa his latest post he's giving a scumread on Quilford yet, so that's just another weird thing.)

So yeah, Ajax-Magua-KK. Probably not Fonz, imo.

P.edit: MoI is here to back me up before I even said it, and also give me top of the page. Legit.

[MagnaofIllusion]

P.edit: MoI is here to back me up before I even said it, and also give me top of the page. Legit.

And you get my first official MS Bro-Fist hito ... cherish it!

Bro-Fist!

[Magua]

Magua’s play screams buddy. He replaced in and called Ajax Town while going out of his way to not argue that I (and others) were wrong. Town-Magua strongly believes in his Town reads. I know this from hydrating with him. It’s one of the reasons we chose to do so … he generates strong Town reads and I generate strong scum reads and we mix them together to destroy scum. The fact that he professed as Ajax is Town read and then backtracked to “I’m not saying he’s not scum, I just think TheAm is more scummy” does not fit with the play of Magua Town.

@Magua – Sorry to say buddy but I’m going to have to grind you up tomorrow given how scummy your play has been. Wish we could have for once drawn the same side in a game.

ASoS didn't have a "Rolename Cop", it had a rolecop. TROLOLOLOL over Zdenek being "Modified Nightkill Immune" ensued.
ACoK did have a rolename cop, which is still not a cop in the same way that Gunsmith (which Mina used in NY 145) is not a cop.

I specifically looked at Mafiascum Fantasy Camp cause it's LB's only modded game so far, and saw your role, but holy shit, Magna, "Once during the game, you can give two names and two alignments and will be told if you're correct" is also not a cop.

But that's all semantics, so here's the real argument: By all means, make the argument that I linked the games without looking at them. Make the argument that that's the thing I would do as town or scum.

Oh, what else while I'm here? "LolMaguagoingtomodmetaisfunny". Hitogoroshi should understand the phrasing of my #312 and has nothing to do with mod-meta.

[Magua]

La la la

VOTE: Captain Ajax

La la la

[Quilford]

'For that matter, you rag on Fonz for 'unexplained reads' DIRECTLY AFTER your list of every player in the game with a one-word read after them.'
I make no effort to hide that my reads are anything but 1-word catchups. Fonz dresses them up.

Magua: you should /hammer/. PEDIT: good

[theamatuer]

Ehh I still wanted to see that response but w/e
Also inb4. Scum kills Magua and mistakes him for magna

[The Fonz]

There's no IIoA there at all. (Also, I'd hardly say the length of that post is a wall. WTF has happened to people's attention span?) That you talk about a post of basically pure scumhunting (minus the bit where I, y'know, answer a direct question) this way causes me to want to break stuff. Incidentally, compare this post to any re-read/replacement/late entry post I've ever made. You're basically calling me scum for the way in which I express my scumhunting thoughts, and I'm not going to stand for it.

But anyway, I'm sure there's going to be plenty more of this day two, given that y'all were completely right on Ajax. 'May be awarded by the town' is not at all ambiguous. Anything else anyone desperately needs to say before the hammer?

There is, but you've cleverly disguised it in the form of looking like you're stating an opinion ('BBMolla votes Ajax at the end of a wall, very little of which actually talks about Ajax.', So, T-Bone returns in #242 and his top suspects just so happen to be the two with the biggest wagons?') [/quote]

How am I 'disguising' it? Those

are

my opinions. I find it scummy (or rather, at the time found it scummy, Ajax being scum drops this down a lot) that BBMolla just kinda dropped a vote onto the leading wagon after making a long post talking about just about everything but said wagon and why it was good. I find it scummy that T-Bone's top suspects

just so happen

to be the top two wagons everyone else is pushing.

OR you give a five word shitty read immediately after, which does not count as analysis ('Hito calling both of the best-known players in the game town within a couple of pages without explaining. That's questionable.', 'Reck changes his mind and does a mea culpa, that's kind of a town sign.') and so on.

Says who it does not count as analysis? Pointing out things that seem scummy to me = analysis.

You're not going to stand for it. Boo-hoo. That is not pure scumhunting at all, that is 'someone did this, this is how I feel about it in 5 words'. Try again.

That's pretty much the fucking definition of scumhunting you tool, pointing out things that people have done and whether you think they indicate scum or town.

What do attention spans have to do with walls.

My point being, that post wasn't actually very long.

No. Hammer immediately.

Funny, because I tend to think letting MOI get that out had at least some value.

Unvote, Vote: Captain Ajax

[MagnaofIllusion]

I note Magua’s response avoids addressing the fact that he’s not playing as he would as Town re: his Ajax Town read.

ASoS didn't have a "Rolename Cop", it had a rolecop. TROLOLOLOL over Zdenek being "Modified Nightkill Immune" ensued.

The Mod’s own list says the following –

24) Kast - Varys - Lannister Aligned Rolename Cop was killed Night 3

So am I lying?

ACoK did have a rolename cop, which is still not a cop in the same way that Gunsmith (which Mina used in NY 145) is not a cop.

Oh look who wants to play the semantics game.

Did said player not return “Percy is Asha Greyjoy” in a game where Greyjoys were scum? Yes or no? Thanks for trying to dodge around the fact that the role was indeed a Cop as IT DETECTED LANNISTERS AND GREYJOYS AND EACH FACTION HAD INVESTIGATION IMMUNE GODFATHERS!

You have to be scum to be posting this. You aren't this terrible.

I specifically looked at Mafiascum Fantasy Camp cause it's LB's only modded game so far, and saw your role, but holy shit, Magna, "Once during the game, you can give two names and two alignments and will be told if you're correct" is also not a cop.

Did you take stupid pills Magua? A role that can confirm either

1. Two players are scum.
2. Two players are Town.
3. Between two players we have 1 scum and 1 Town

Isn’t a Cop? Lulz, the fact that it is 1-shot doesn’t mean it isn’t a Cop. Flail some more.

[The Fonz]

Dealing with the ninjas now:

Quilford, seriously dude, I think you're getting way more worked up then you should be about Fonz.

So, T-Bone returns in #242 and his top suspects just so happen to be the two with the biggest wagons? Either this guy can't think for himself, or he's scum. Plus thinks Captain Ajax is scum, and yet I'm one of his top town reads without any explanation when I've spent most of the day trying to destroy the CA wagon?

Look how mad Fonz is for not being recognized for his efforts to dismantle the Ajax wagon. If I had to bet he was really sure this was a crap wagon and he wanted to make sure he'd be listened to on an Ajax mislynch.

It's not that I'm mad I'm not getting recognition, it's that I think it's somewhat weird to have CA as a top suspect, but me as town. I mean, it looks like it's true. But 'X is scum and Y who is defending him is town' is at least somewhat counterintuitive, and I'd have expected a good reason. He offered none.

Also, I will say this, because I always say this: When a day breaks down 'XYZ think A, and UVW think B, and the two blocs are at each others' throats' I have never, ever seen an occasion when all of one side were town and all of the other scum.

[The Fonz]

I note Magua’s response avoids addressing the fact that he’s not playing as he would as Town re: his Ajax Town read.

MOI, can you explain this and link a pertinent game as quickly as you can?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Paging Lost Butterfly ...

Paging Lost Butterfly ...

You have a scum flip to Modpost

Paging Lost Butterfly ...

[Quilford]

Okay fine I'm not expressing myself very well, probably wording things poorly in my posts about Fonz.

but He's beyond scummy to me. idk why, i'll get something out tomorrow.

[Quilford]

clarification: Fonz is not the Lord

[Magua]

I note Magua’s response avoids addressing the fact that he’s not playing as he would as Town re: his Ajax Town read.

Magua-town would very much like to know how Magua-town should be playing, so if you could elucidate, that'd be great.

Also, also, also:

No, it's not a fucking cop because it's "Submit a player at night, get back innocent or guilty." It's not even a one-shot cop because if you guess wrong there's three ways you can be wrong.

BY ALL MEANS MAGNA

BY ALL MEANS

CALL ME FUCKING STUPID. IT MAKES YOUR ARGUMENT WORK VERY VERY VERY WELL.

As for Magua-fucking-mod-meta. THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT AGAINST LUDI IN AFFC. Except that was even a worse claim, ebcause it was a fucking daycop, but TROLOLOLOL.

No, fuck that shit. You want to lynch me for being Ajax's partner, fine, I can live with that. You want to lynch me for being stupid? Naw, shit, homie don't play that, son.

[Magua]

Quilford: You're tunneling on Fonz like I saw you tunnel on Farside in 70s.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOI, can you explain this and link a pertinent game as quickly as you can?

Magua does not screw around with his Town reads. It's his MO. Specifically he gets Town reads and sticks to them.

The manner in which he called Ajax Town and then fence-sat on him the rest of the day does not fit with this.

The two best examples I know off the top of my head can't be linked. I'll dig to see if I can find others.

[hitogoroshi]

Remember guys, the hammer means nothing, lynch Magua tomorrow. Quilford this means you too. Whatever your thoughts on Fonz are, they can wait until D3.

[Quilford]

Quilford: You're tunneling on Fonz like I saw you tunnel on Farside in 70s.

Nope.

Also you were so obviously scum after replacing in there--

wait

you replaced in here too.

Looks like some reading is to be done overnight.

[MagnaofIllusion]

No, fuck that shit. You want to lynch me for being Ajax's partner, fine, I can live with that. You want to lynch me for being stupid? Naw, shit, homie don't play that, son.

You seem to think I haven't given copious reasons why I think your play looks like scum-partner to Ajax. That could not be further from the truth.

[The Fonz]

Also, I will say this, because I always say this: When a day breaks down 'XYZ think A, and UVW think B, and the two blocs are at each others' throats' I have never, ever seen an occasion when all of one side were town and all of the other scum.

To elaborate on this quickly: I think it's very likely one of Magua and KK is scum. I really don't think both are, and that if the first of that pair we lynch flips scum, we should look off-wagon before looking at the other one.

[MagnaofIllusion]

To elaborate on this quickly: I think it's very likely one of Magua and KK is scum. I really don't think both are, and that if the first of that pair we lynch flips scum, we should look off-wagon before looking at the other one.

Well this dichotomy will probably get settled overnight.

My problem with KK as previously stated -

1. Lack of scum-hunting (from my perspective). I think his play has been pretty solidly reactive.
2. His top suspect is a terrible choice.
3. His avoiding the tread (as evidenced by my link above). His excuse of "I'm overwhelmed" doesn't really fit with the fact that he's pretty active all over site.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, Votecount 14 aka End of Day Votecount

Captain Ajax (7) - hitogoroshi, Quilford, DeasVail, BBMolla, T-Bone, MagnaofIllusion, Magua

theamatuer (3) - Kublai Khan, The Fonz, Captain Ajax
Magua (1) - xRECKONERx
BBmolla (2) - theamatuer, Zar

Not voting

(0) :

No one

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

21st of May at 11:50pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-05-21 23:50:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: Deadline passed

Anyone who has been awarded a scummie will now be informed. Flavour and flip to come a bit later

[Lost Butterfly]

Note:

Any plot holes and inconsistencies in this story are not plot holes or inconsistencies.

Note

: This story is definitely not based on real people or real life events...but if it was I'd not be allowed tell you anyway.

Note:

The cake is a lie.

You're probably wondering why we're here? Why this ceremony is being held? Well it's time to reveal the truth.

2 months ago

After a long campaign of 'Team Mafia should have won a scummy', zoraster had gotten his wish - the scummies for 2011 would be re-held. A scummies 2011.5, if you will. It was a strange decision. Of course what the good people of mafiascum didn't know was that zoraster and his three cats had 'made mith an offer he couldn't refuse'.

Spoiler:

mith got to play with Hermes, Apollo and Athena!

As I said, an offer he couldn't refuse.

1 month ago

A man going by the nickname 'zoraster' was seen visiting Italy. It appeared to be a nice holiday - he saw the Colosseum, he'd gone to visit the Vatican City, and took a gondola down the canals in Venice. But that wasn't the real reason he was there. You see zoraster was there to meet the

Mafia

(they're always in red, duh). After a 2 hour meeting they had agreed to help zoraster. On one condition - they would be pre-inned to Team Mafia 2013 (Fat Tony was V/la for 2012; accusations of extortion meant a lot of court dates and he couldn't commit to a game long term.)

About 7 or 8 days ago, whenever this game started and Mina should have wrote the opening flavour but I'm now pulling stuff from my ass, but hey!

The opening ceremony kicked off as usual. Everything was going just as planned. Then chaos broke out. 3 masked figures opened fire on the audience (it was okay, people like Internet Stranger and Wacka Alpacka were the only ones hurt) while the best town performance scummie was being given out. Yes, somehow the real life mafia had infiltrated the ceremony. (Thanks, zoraster!) Unfortunately on the surface they LOOKED like holders of the Best Performance Town scummie. The way to settle it was simple, let the Scummie winners do what they do best! Hunt the scum.

Like a few hours ago

zoraster watched from afar. His mafia could not fail him. They would take back what was his, they would dole out justice to those who dared wrong him. Agent Ajax was on the job.

Well, for a little while. Unfortunately for zoraster this Mafioso's reputation at playing online Mafia wasn't exactly as scary as advertised. Oops.

[/area]

Right Now?

Captain Ajax -

Mafia

and holder of the scummie was lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1! Night will last 72 hours. Countdown is here: (expired on 2012-05-18 12:33:16). Actions not sent in by this time will not be counted.

[Lost Butterfly]

Night 1

Lurker hunting in real life?

Deep in his underground bunker, zoraster stroked Hermes and plotted. After the lynch of his assassin, he grew worried. Still, the night was dark and full of terrors. And now he could bring the numbers closer in his favour.

His two remaining assassins stood at either side of him. With a nod to the man on his right, zoraster pointed at an avatar on the screen in front of him. He then drew a hand across his throat.. "Cut his head off, like Ned Stark [

btw did you know A Dance with Dragons Mafia is coming to a large theme queue near you this Autumn

]," he said, grinning.

The assassin hesitated. "zoraster...are you sure there isn't another way?" This wasn't what he'd signed up for. Manipulation was fine, but murder? He looked at zoraster in despair.

zoraster sighed. "Fine, just make him an offer he can't refuse."

The man nodded and left. He knew exactly what to do.

---

The next morning, as the twelve gathered around ready for another day's lynching, they noticed something was wrong. Where was The Fonz? They saw a note on the table:

Hey, sorry I had to go. Look, I'll be honest, zoraster bought me off. He said if I decided to withdraw from the competition he'd make sure Lowell and mastin2 were site-banned. We all know he has mith's ear now, so I can't think why he'd lie. Oh, and I also have their addresses. So if they do try and get around their ban, I can hunt them down and kill them! It'll be a real-life policy lynch. I couldn't refuse such a tempting offer. Sorry, though. Good luck and all that.

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As he watched their hearts sink upon the monitor of his screen in his bunker, zoraster rubbed his hands together. They'd lost the Fonz. You could almost say this game had ... jumped the shark. He let out a rather evil laugh and waited for Day 2 to unfold. Surely he'd not lose another assassin today?

The Fonz,

Town

and holder of and , was

killed

paid off Night 1.

Stay tuned. This thread will remain locked until all judging groups have been sent out.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, Votecount 0

Not voting

(11): xRECKONERx, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla, Kublai Khan, Magua, Quilford, T-Bone, theamatuer, DeasVail, Zar, hitogoroshi

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

June 3rd at 4:01pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-06-03 16:01:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: (expired on 2012-05-24 16:01:00)