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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 1:48 am

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IaI:

I don't believe pidgey's behavior is indicative of a scum mentality, and I think your case on him 1) misrepresents him 2) is outright wrong and 3) has no real confidence behind it. I'm voting him
because we have a cop guilty on him
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I think your case in him is forced, and you are likely to be scum
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pidgey--because you are picking at stuff that isn't scummy, but as a partner you'd be likely to notice more than usual because you know your buddy is scum. Sometimes you can spot scum partners when they notice things too soon, or when they pick at something that isn't scummy.

That is: pidgey is probably scum, but your case on him is still a very weak one and indicates you are probably scum with him.

Answer my questions, please.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 2:58 am

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Okay guys. Sorry this took so long. I didn't realise this was 30-odd pages X.X and I had a golf tournament (which I won btw :D) etc etc. Anyway, here's my catchup post. It's mostly just me noting stuff as I read along, hopefully spoilered correctly for you guys.

Spoiler: Catchup till page 24
So fairly standard RVS stuff. There's the DayCop and the DayKill, but I'm writing off both as just jokes. I certainly don't think the "DayKill" was an attempt to stop the wagon.

Oh dear, Havingfitz is playing. X.X sorry, I wouldn't have replaced in if I knew. I'll try my best to be better this time, but then again that won't be hard. Probably just learn to count.

I agree with Pine's FL vote. It looks a touch more like opportunistic bandwagoning rather than attempting to pressure Parama.

AV is just lolzy, I agree with Bunny's sentiment and brizingre just didn't know what was going. Next page. Two down, billion more to go.

Next page has stuff about Nirvana, trolls and Amrun feeling stupid and contagious. Not much except for the fact I don't understand why Vi says that briz's recent join date is why we should jump him.

Amrun talks about Rolling in the Deep with pops, although I have no recollection of that game supporting the idea that "pops punishes bad play" in any way. This thing about voices starts, which seems to be a recurring theme looking at chesskid's posts around my prod dodge. Furthermore, I'm not liking the RF push on bunny.

So far after 4 pages, I'm thinking RF and FL scum. You can chuck Pidgey in there for only talking about the past game with dram and not mentioning anything happening so far.

Next page. Parama is being himself, people are voting him. Hiplop backing off from Amrun that quickly just doesnt sit right with me. Makes me think of scum who don't want to draw attention. Also, I hate it whenever people right off their scummy actions because it started conversation. That would be like me quickhammering and then telling people to write it off because it induces conversation.

Pops is funny XD AV makes sense when talking about Para-scum, and DN-scum isn't too bad. Plus townpoints. Bunny is weird because she votes MoI and then soft-defends him. But really the most important bit in this page is DN attacking AV for having those reads on him by questioning his Parama read. Does not compute. The pidgey thing isn't bad, except for the fact that he hasn't mentioned him at all previously.

Nothing really on the next page. I'm still thinking DN scum. As of page 7, FaerieLord and DN are scum. RayFrost and pidgey have disappeared off the map.

I don't like how pidgey, after being gone for a while, chooses to focus on lurkers. Plus scumpoints. Briz on Parama is bad, and DN is just fluffing around.

MoI makes a good point in 202. DN has not mentioned HF at all, yet says he is pinging his scumdar. Okay, maybe he has. Don't know how I missed that. Sword's vote on BB is no good. RF dislikes sword post so I'll give him town points for that. However, he writes it off rather quickly so not too many.

DN then mentions something about BB, but since it's DN, I'm not touching it with a 10-foot pole atm. The music Vi put is kinda weird. Hiraki is town. RF discussing his meta and how he's trying to change it etc etc is WIFOMish. Not liking it. Updated reads are DN and RF scum, with Pidgey and FL lounging in the background. Chuck in Parama as a dark horse.

FL makes his return here with.. nothing. And funnily, he says SoO's catchup had nothing. Malth wagon is bad, and pidgey on it is worse.

No idea about the next page (page 12). I don't know why, but I can't get anything. Gah, head hurts. Break for now. Okay back. Reread this page, but the only thing I can see is that I don't like Amrun voting for AV. I agree with him.

Amrun is town. Like for real. Forgiven for voting AV. I think I said it before, but Hiraki is still town even if he thinks I'm scum.

After 329 by FakeGod, I can agree with him being scum. Faerie's 325 isn't helping as well. Pidgey-FG scumteam for sure. Not sure about DeathNote, FaerieLord, Parama for teams but I sincerely doubt it's one scumteam. RayFrost can get a null pass for now.

Same old, same old for page 15. Moving on. I can't believe there are 25 more pages X.X

Hiplop failed and the fatal error picture is kinda cool. I'm liking Chesskid, so that slot gets townpoints. I don't get what Vi is trying ti do with the briz vote but whatever, she's better than me.

So pidgey jumps on another wagon. Why am I not surprised? Not liking the Brizingre wagon building up again. Is no good. Although knowing Vi flips SK it kinda makes sense.

433 is scummy. With the case on FG, DN labels it as FG not doing anything to convince him otherwise. Otherwise known as DN doesn't think he's scum. This lends weight to AV's read of DN as scum cruising along, refusing to make any stands to avoid drawing attention to himself. FL proceeds to deliberately misinterpret Pine by saying he was sheeping. Not happy that AV doesn't get FG but oh well.

Next page. I agree with pidgey that bunny needs to vote. I thought Pine was old. and he was a preacher for some reason XD DN arguing semantics, he obviously attacked AV and is now backing down. Anyway I really need to stop now. Will continue if im still alive. X.X jiujitsu

Okay, still alive. Almost broke my collarbone though. Anyway, moving on. Bunny voting Amrun just makes lose all hope for humanity. Okay, I'm going to make a new tell here. It's called the
no replacement Amish tell
. It works exactly like the Amish tell but without a replacement. In other words, you find your own previous play scummy. In my mind, it should follow the same rationale as the Amish tell, which works (ask BB XD). Exactly like Faerie in 491. He chastises Hiraki for voting Pine for voting him because his vote was actually scummy. Lolwhat? I'm gonna push for this lynch. Updated Reads in order of scumminess: Faerie, DeathNote, Pidgey, FakeGod, Parama. I feel like I'm missing somebody. Oh well.

Tierce comes in. Doesn't agree with FG, but I may be biased because I've seen his flip. Then again, I just realised I'm wrong about DeathNote so that doesn't mean much.

More of stuff that doesn't jump out at me. *sigh* moving on.

Bunny is newbtown, so not liking HF's vote on him. Tierce, idk. I think I played with him once and struggled. Although I fpund BB not answering the question about revoting Parama weird so it isn't looking good.


Okay so that's commentary on everything up to page 24. Now I cbf. I'm just going to read and only comment if stuff stick out.

Dramonic gets town points for 623, but not as much as he would have because it's deadline.

Parama is hilarious, and DeathNote asking Parama why he doesn't care is just icing.

I agree with Amrun regarding Tierce requesting vote consolidation while voting other people. Not only because she voted me(Pine) but some of it is because of that.

Hiraki, no. Just no. Although you're still town.

Okay I'm tired. I've just finished page 30 and my collarbone is killing me. I'll just say that despite all that's been going on, gut tells me Tierce is town for some reason.

VOTE: FaerieLord

Reasoning in the spoiler. Will continue reading from page 30 tomorrow. Sorry guys :( I'll answer any questions as well, if I can.
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:01 am

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Ah fuck.
Mod: could you please fix that spoiler tag? I put a space in between the "=" and the "spoiler" so it failed. Thanks.


Done.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:22 am

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FaerieGod started the FakeGod lynch.

Try harder. He won't be lynched today at least.
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:26 am

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Scumplain more, he means by try harder
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:31 am

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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:36 am

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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:29 am

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...you have just as much chance of being correct or incorrect on IAI (or any read you might have) as any of us, unless you have some way of knowing the target you suggested was scum. So to consider me a target because I'm not jumping to your conclusion is assinine. I believe your claim and as such I'm happy to put you in the town pile so at least your claim is proving of some worth. But your reads are no better than any others (and based on your interest in me...they're worse).

Regarding your claim...you obviously have been given access to the head of someone with a NK ability. Question is...is it a pro-town or anti-town person. You don't appear to have a clue as you are considering the person whose head you are in as possibly and So you have no way of knowing if your target is scum or not and you have no clue as to whether the head you're in belongs to scum or not. Yeah...[sarcasm indicator for MOI's sake]we need to all get on board and do whatever you say.[/sarcasm]

I would lean towards the head being scum. I would suggest rather than proposing another target for the head to consider or ignore...that you just commit sewerpipe and take the likely anti-town killing entity with you. :)

And how do you know your voice didn't go into Vi's head? I would guess not since she seems to have been a single entity. The more I think about it the more I think you were in scum's head...they would at least be able to absorb you taking out one of their members combined with your suicide...unlike Vi or any other killing entity.


Got it. Did you ever complete your catch up Majiffy? You had caught up to page 13 and then were going to read up over night...but I haven't seen promised catch up. If you aren't, that's fine, I'm just interested in seeing if your reads from the first 12 pages change any. And feel free to lay a vote down if you suspect anyone.


...why is FL ridiculously town for voting Parama?

I asked chess if he knew the alignment (and I also asked if there were certain things he could not share with us) because if he didn't know...then his reads/suggestions were no better than any of us. And the wagons you post with all the pretty colors do not absolve or implicate anyone. Thanks for the IIoA.

Why is Majiffy not Aegis? For never voting? And are you saying vijay-Pine are? :?


...how would your head figure out the alignment of the voice in their head? If it was scum I would think they'd be happy to kill anyone you suggested that wasn't part of their faction (a negative towards IAI) and if it was a town aligned killing role...they might have just had a stronger opinion towards whoever they killed.


I can't put my finger on it but Perhaps because it seems a bit flailish.


..why bring me up here? I very rarely make any comments wrt meta. Also...


Who was your target Amrun and why? Why wasn't it Tierce, whose wagon you spent much of yesterday on, to include at the end of the day?

So Amrun can kill. Vi could kill. Is there any reason to think there are more than 2 killing abilities aside from scum? This is the first game I've played this large but I'm assuming there are more than one scum team. Not sure it's safe to assume they both have a killing ability though. Thoughts anyone? If Amrun isn't scum...combined with Vi's presence, I think it adds even more credence to chesskid's headcase being scum. So kill yourself chess :)


...what do you mean your role may not go to the person you sent it to? And what do you mean you get told your final target? You didn't select them on your own?

I'll wait a bit to see if pappums spells things out more before I move over to Pidgey.
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:31 am

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annnnnnnnnnnnnnd what makes you think this killing entity is not town, and that I should suicide and kill one guaranteed town, one likely town and towns likely only killing ability?
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:33 am

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Amrun can't kill dude.

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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:42 am

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All these votes on me are based on pappums "speculating" that I tried to "roleblock" him, when i:

a) Didnt roleblock him
b) I'd bet anyone that he isnt a cop. Im 95% sure about this based on my small back and forth with him

You saw the timeline between his posts and my responses? It took me one minute to reply. You think he wasnt online to read them? He was and was too afraid to confirm that he has a cop result on me, because he DOES NOT has it.
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:43 am

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chesskid3 wrote:Amrun can't kill dude.

try to follow

Amrun wrote:My intended target went through, so maybe i'm secretly not schizophrenic.

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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:46 am

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intended target for what

did she fucking say it was for a kill?
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:49 am

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Well with the claimed Cop on Pidgy I think the right move for today is to lynch him (unless his claim exonerates him in a way that makes us go after Pappums). He doesn’t make much sense as a partner to FakeGod so his flip of an alternate scum faction would confirm Multi-scum and make things much clearer.

@Pappums
– You have exactly one post to clarify that your vote on Pidgey was not a claim of guilty.

The question of the Day that everyone should consider – how in the hell does Chesskid the Suiciding VT who can suggest a killshot anonymously know that the person who ignored his suggestion to kill IAI shot Peregrine? It’s a mystery all right …

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havingfitz wrote: I would lean towards the head being scum. I would suggest rather than proposing another target for the head to consider or ignore...that you just commit sewerpipe and take the likely anti-town killing entity with you.


Explain how you came to this conclusion.

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Majiffy wrote:Read the bolded. Then read what I said. I didn't strawman anything. It can be pretty obviously inferred by what you said here that because the scumread was held by a scum in a multi-scum game, the read isn't important whatsoever to you. It shouldn't matter who the mouth is that's saying it, but what is actually being said.


No clearly your reading comprehension skills need fine tuning.

That statement there says the following – until we have confirmation that this is indeed Multiball (which means two distinct separate Mafia factions) that FakeGod’s push on Pine means he’s very unlikely to be a FakeGod partner. Especially given the timing and context that case from FakeGod came in.

Majiffy wrote:I don't know about you, but my PM said town, not Aegis, and not scum. So that means we're looking at 3 factions already. How much more obvious do you need it?


See here your bravado is just making you look stupid.

Aegis is a Mafia faction. That should be abundantly clear by the Mod flip (you know, the Mod calling it a faction) and the fact that Vi flipped 3rd Party.

So until we have confirmation of another scum faction OTHER than Aegis I’m not going to go after Pine’s slot when other more obviously scummy slots are out there.

Majiffy wrote:Non-town aligned roles. Derp.


Well derp does qualify your response well. I’m asking you to name of PLAYERS who you think are scum if this is a single Mafia faction game. Do you not understand that?

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Tierce wrote:Oh okay so I came into the game defending my scumbuddy with turrets instead of taking the easy bus for towncred. Sure. It's a perfectly sensible play that matches my typical scum meta.


So it doesn’t match your scum meta so you must be Town?

Tierce wrote:'Nothing has changed' when there are four flips and you vote the counterwagon to D1 scum?
I'm obvtown, Amrun.
What do you think of the people involved in both wagons?


The bolded is chucklesome. You are far from obv-Town. The fact that your biggest detractor ended up dead doesn’t help matters on that end.

Tierce wrote:FL is ridiculously town for that Parama vote. I can explain this, would rather not.


Please do. It is pretty much required.

Tierce wrote:Why would taking out one scum/3rd party and one town be 'petty and stupid'? I think I'm missing something here. Do you think that chess's 'partner' is town? Why?


Why are you asking pointless questions Tierce? I haven’t said anything of the sort.

I was asking Chesskid to quantify what kind of scum he thought the other player with the kill power is.

It makes no sense for them to be Mafia (at least at this stage, we may get more information down the line). And suiciding just because he’s not being listened to if he doesn’t think said player is a Serial Killer is very Anti-Town (assuming in this discussion that Chess is Town).

Tierce wrote:IaI potential partner trying to force a bus.


Very much dislike the “Calling out bussing” pre-flip for several reasons.

Tierce wrote: I don't believe pidgey's behavior is indicative of a scum mentality, and I think your case on him 1) misrepresents him 2) is outright wrong and 3) has no real confidence behind it. I'm voting him because we have a cop guilty on him.


Here’s what it boils down to for me Tierce. You come into this game with a reputation that suggests you are a good scum-hunter as Town.

Pidgey would be the second player (FakeGod being the first) that you have directly claimed that their play does not have scum motivations. Who would end up scum (assuming that Pappums isn't fake-claiming a result).

I’m having a hard time reconciling Tierce the Top Tier Town Scumhunter being completely unable to find scum motivation in scum play from two separate players (if Pidgey is scum).
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:57 am

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Because i'm informed who is actually targetted by the person with the killing ability, bro.
I said that already.
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 4:57 am

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cool fuckin question bro
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:01 am

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chesskid3 wrote:Because i'm informed who is actually targetted by the person with the killing ability, bro.
I said that already.


Well then regardless of whether they listen to you your ability to confirm who is the target of said player's action is very helpful. So killing yourself isn't a good move at the moment.

Also for the record - if your role PM states it is given to a 'PLAYER' singular unless we have a Mafia faction with discreet kill abilities outside a faction kill (which is not nice) the odds that your other half is Mafia are slim.
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:26 am

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@havingfitz:


Majiffy is not Aegis because he's completely oblivious at to what 'Aegis faction' is likely to mean. vijay's reference of it sounded more forced and over-explanatory.

I wasn't saying you'd go grab my meta, I was just saying that I think you are the type of person who would jump on anyone who calls to their past experience for reference. I might be completely wrong here, it was more a frustrated remark than anything else.

And no, I don't think you are scum because you are voting me. At the moment, I don't think you are scum, period. You seem far too lost to have any decent grasp of what goes behind the scenes.




@MoI:


MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Tierce wrote:Oh okay so I came into the game defending my scumbuddy with turrets instead of taking the easy bus for towncred. Sure. It's a perfectly sensible play that matches my typical scum meta.

So it doesn’t match your scum meta so you must be Town?

That line was mostly griping; I get frustrated at the way Amrun tunnels on me (see Weather Mafia II, just finished, we were both town and she tunneled on me for four days). Note the irritated tone.


MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Tierce wrote:FL is ridiculously town for that Parama vote. I can explain this, would rather not.

Please do. It is pretty much required.

Actually I was wrong about this. I thought that the mods had posted about Parama requesting replacement
during
night, which would be an indication that FL had clearly not looked at the thread during night (since he didn't seem to realize Parama was being replaced when he voted Parama). This would mean FL is a VT who didn't bother to glance at the thread during the night phase. However, I just checked and I was wrong--the replacement hunt was announced at daybreak.


MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Tierce wrote:Why would taking out one scum/3rd party and one town be 'petty and stupid'? I think I'm missing something here. Do you think that chess's 'partner' is town? Why?

Why are you asking pointless questions Tierce? I haven’t said anything of the sort.

I was asking Chesskid to quantify what kind of scum he thought the other player with the kill power is.

It makes no sense for them to be Mafia (at least at this stage, we may get more information down the line). And suiciding just because he’s not being listened to if he doesn’t think said player is a Serial Killer is very Anti-Town (assuming in this discussion that Chess is Town).

Okay, got it. Please don't call my questions stupid; I was trying to figure out your train of thought.


MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Tierce wrote:IaI potential partner trying to force a bus.

Very much dislike the “Calling out bussing” pre-flip for several reasons.

Have you seen my reasoning for it? On why I think IaI's case is a bucket full of nothing? If pidgey is scum, this feels like a typical forced bus.


MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Tierce wrote: I don't believe pidgey's behavior is indicative of a scum mentality, and I think your case on him 1) misrepresents him 2) is outright wrong and 3) has no real confidence behind it. I'm voting him because we have a cop guilty on him.

Here’s what it boils down to for me Tierce. You come into this game with a reputation that suggests you are a good scum-hunter as Town.

Pidgey would be the second player (FakeGod being the first) that you have directly claimed that their play does not have scum motivations. Who would end up scum (assuming that Pappums isn't fake-claiming a result).

I’m having a hard time reconciling Tierce the Top Tier Town Scumhunter being completely unable to find scum motivation in scum play from two separate players (if Pidgey is scum).

...?
Burden of Proficiency, already? :( From
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I'm calling things as I see them. I don't think pidgey's behavior so far is scummy, so why would I say otherwise? I don't hide my train of thought. He apparently has a cop guilty on him, so I'm voting him. That's it.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:42 am

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chesskid3 wrote:intended target for what

did she fucking say it was for a kill?

Did she fucking say it fucking wasn't for a fucking kill? Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:47 am

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Vote: Pidgey


Amrun, my suspicions of you stem from the backing-down of the 1v1~
If you'd pushed him on it, I'd have found you insanely town. Sorry pal.

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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:52 am

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Tierce wrote:
AurorusVox wrote:ALSO who was all like, "Mah baby don't mess around, because she loves me so and this I know fo shoooooo"

Prob language/cultural barrier. What does this mean?

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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:54 am

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havingfitz wrote:
chesskid3 wrote:intended target for what

did she fucking say it was for a kill?

Did she fucking say it fucking wasn't for a fucking kill? Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

she didn't say either way
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 6:03 am

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Hiraki wrote:FaerieGod started the FakeGod lynch.

Try harder. He won't be lynched today at least.


This is not even remotely true. What game are you reading? FaerieLord blatantly sheeped me onto FG. LIke, he said, "I'm sheeping Amrun's case."

I still don't think he's scum with FG for that, but he did not start the wagon.

AurorusVox wrote:
Vote: Pidgey


Amrun, my suspicions of you stem from the backing-down of the 1v1~
If you'd pushed him on it, I'd have found you insanely town. Sorry pal.

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Okay, but idc, really. This was the first time ever I've seen scum initiate a non-role related 1v1. I'll have to give up that town tell, I guess.

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havingfitz wrote:
chesskid3 wrote:intended target for what

did she fucking say it was for a kill?

Did she fucking say it fucking wasn't for a fucking kill? Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

she didn't say either way
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 6:06 am

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Fair enough AV.

Can you confirm, Amrun?

Pre-edit...cheeskid...then how do you know she can't make a kill? And I didn't ask her (or you) for claims. Yours seems especially pointless as not killing entity is going to out themself just to make you happy. And if they are a town killing entity wouldn't scum just love it if they did (more weight to the head being scum). As for Amrum...she said she targetted someone which I rightly or wrongly took to mean a kill. If that were the case it would have a bearing on your earlier claim.

I'm not doing any fishing...the fish jumped out of the water all on their own.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 6:07 am

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How does "target" imply kill or not kill in ANY way? And yes, you ARE rolefishing, so stop.
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