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[Slaxx]

choo-choo

vote haylen

[Slaxx]

I'm the one on the left

Reg said his townread on UN has strengthened again, and also told Grey to watch out for IAm because his initial vote on Haylen still looks like scum distancing.

[Haylen]

I'm doing these for each player, don't lynch me until I finish.

GreyICE

Post One: Bullcrap reasoning that I've already disproven.

I just remembered I already pretty much gave away the role I was going to choose if it came up AND IT DID in the team mafia discussion thread in MD, there is no way in hell I would have chosen a scum or third party role PM if it happened to come up. I just feel more comfortable playing in non-theme games, open games are not challenging enough and quite frankly boring.

I didn't meta myself, I just disproved his theory using evidence and suggests that MoI be careful with what data he decides to do a 'split file' on,

GreyICE is tunnelling, that's anti-town as it prevents him from keeping an eye on other players, he'll be stuck on Day Two if I'm lynched. I notice a distinct lack of scumhunting just yelling BLA BLA BLA IS SCUM, VOTE THEM AND YOU'RE TOWN. When questioned on his actual case, he doesn't reply other than 'my team mates agree', this is an appealing to something logical fallacy, I can't remember specifically which one right now though.

Not to mention using 1 game as evidence that he can read someone like a book, that's scummy aswell especially considering he pushed it for so long. As is trying to bait somebody into a you town/lynch me situation as early in the game as page 5/6 (I think it was) - the only motivation I can think for doing that is that he wanted to say YOU'RE OPINIONS AREN'T CONSISTANT BLA BLA BLA BACKTRACKING BLA <- scum motivation.

Lets go through this again: Grey was screaming for my blood saying I'm scum -> Grey says he can read my like an open book -> I proceed to vote Grey. Think about it. I was never trying to convince Grey his read was wrong, I was trying to convince everyone else that he's blatantly bullshitting. It's reaching, it's misuse of data - a statistical error, my stats lecturer would probably want to shoot me if I did that - and it's scummy.

MoI is curious why Jason thinks I'm town after buffy mafia.

So you're saying you're playing to you're scum meta. OKAY.

Fluff oh fluff, stop fluffing up my game.

Scum is busy lurking right now this is a bunch of townies sniping at each other.

So...you think I'm town, but you're voting for me.

There is no scumhunting here, it's just Grey stating opinions which could just be made up, no evidence or anything.

Y'know if Haylen flips scum and you're like 'lolvotegreyice' tomorrow I'm ripping your head off and mounting it on a pike, right?

Makes no sense. He's distancing himself from what he knows is going to be a mislynch. It also generally appeals to emotion, especially afterwards when he says 'Headpike, Glork'

PV probably, for his refusal to explain his team's reads to me.

Hypocrite. Don't hold others to standards you aren't willing to hold yourself to, that's scummy.

Porochaz should be vigged on principle,

I doubt he'd do anything different than this if he was scum.

He's saying that in this game, here and now, that Prozac is town and he still wants to vig him. On principal. A) how does he know Prozac is town, b) that's a scummy as hell.

BUT IT'S NOT A CASE AT ALL, IS IT STEVE [cooldog]?

Hypocrite. Again. Still scummy.

Calling people town because they agree with him is also scummy.

He sounds obnoxious. That's null.

Oh yeah, buddying with Uber. One of those is scum at least.

My ideas are obviously all superior than anyone else's.

Now, he has graduated from the school of obnoxious into a fully fledged arrogant scum bag. By the way, that quote was appealing to authority.

What makes delta obvious town again?

Glork, UberNinja has never voted Haylen. At all. He's been quite clear to me he thinks she's town.

How? And I don't think very much of fake claims outside the RVS, they tend to be from scum.

[UberNinja]

...how can you take that last post you quoted by GreyICE seriously AT ALL?

[GreyICE]

*coughnottowncough*

[Haylen]

That's all you have to say? How pro-town of you.

[Glork]

Neither of those two posts are helpful.

I have yet to fully digest Haylen's big post, but my knee-jerk reaction is that someone on her team is kicking her ass to get in gear before she gets lynched. I would expect that to come from a scumteam more than a townteam.

On the other hand, her taunting about not caring of she's mislynched and how Grey & co. would lose points for it hits kind of close to home and feels protown. Does anybody removed from the situation know if Haylen has a history of taunting her wagoners as town/scum/both? Feel free to ask your QTs for input.

[Glork]

Also, I'm fine with giving Haylen a chance to post final thoughts on everyone before being lynched, of that's the way this is going. Literally no harm being done to the town this way.

[UberNinja]

I have done the same thing (asking for time to give my reads on everyone before being lynched) as town.

In other words: Try again Glork.

[Haylen]

I'm kicking my own ass. If I'm going to be lynched at least I can be useful tomorrow, I wont be happy with my performance in this game if I don't.

[Haylen]

I'm going to go ahead and claim Vanilla Townie, by the way.

[Porochaz]

Oh, we're back to lynching Haylen, disappointing.

[hasdgfas]

Haylen(5): iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx
DeltaWave(4): Glork, jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG
Glork(2): Haylen, DeltaWave
Captain Murasa(1): Mastermind of Sin

Not Voting: Porochaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 21.

[Porochaz]

Ok so I worked out why Murasa was bugging me. There is nothing in them. Opinions without any weight behind them. (and them being fucking absolutes, a pet hate, but particularly this early in the game), a lot of fluff, no analysis, no info. Just making useless statements or in other words, posting lots, saying little.

I also meant to change my vote last post to UN but I am going to

vote Murasa

It's not only that, past Prozac. You see in your future reread, you decided to read it all rather than by iso and you saw that Murasa, in amongst the WIFOM argument (which, as an aside, was an interesting way for Haylen to go, looking back, but nowhere near voteworthy), just decided to spew a whole heap of steaming shit at Haylen.

I mean it's not like "your scum because you wrote in a mafia thread one time how you play as town and that isn't it" (that example just came out of nowhere...), it's more "Im going to try and throw everything at you and pick holes" Haylen responded well however, and you gave up.

Then to sum up the first 5 pages, glork does his thing, grey goes overboard on the Haylen-hunger and UberNinja is useless

[Porochaz]

Ok so I worked out why Murasa was bugging me. There is nothing in them. Opinions without any weight behind them. (and them being fucking absolutes, a pet hate, but particularly this early in the game), a lot of fluff, no analysis, no info. Just making useless statements or in other words, posting lots, saying little.

I also meant to change my vote last post to UN but I am going to

vote Murasa

It's not only that, past Prozac. You see in your future reread, you decided to read it all rather than by iso and you saw that Murasa, in amongst the WIFOM argument (which, as an aside, was an interesting way for Haylen to go, looking back, but nowhere near voteworthy), just decided to spew a whole heap of steaming shit at Haylen.

I mean it's not like "your scum because you wrote in a mafia thread one time how you play as town and that isn't it" (that example just came out of nowhere...), it's more "Im going to try and throw everything at you and pick holes" Haylen responded well however, and you gave up.

Then to sum up the first 5 pages, glork does his thing, grey goes overboard on the Haylen-hunger and UberNinja is useless

[UberNinja]

haylen wagon is sure as fuck a lot better than the DELTAWAVE wagon, wtf

glorkwagon would be peachy but

[Glork]

I have done the same thing (asking for time to give my reads on everyone before being lynched) as town.

In other words: Try again Glork.

That does not compute.

[Haylen]

Also, I want every member of all teams playing to write their comments on this lynch.

Prozac: out of interest what team are you with? I can't see see you on the tm player list.

[Porochaz]

Pages 6 to 15...

6 - 10 really established my earlier reads and gave me a few town reads as well. (cooldog as a townread was a surprise) 11 to 15 had some interesting stuff in it, but it's been discussed before (Glorks vote on Haylen etc.) However I wanted to start paying attention to Uber. Now, I have been trying to work out how good Uber is at the game. For some reason, I didn't rate him much. It's difficult for me to notice because the Haylen-Glork-Grey thing got so big, and Cappy seems to be hogging all the useless banter limelight. Uber, isn't doing that as such, he's posting lots but its mainly to just agree and parrot arguments others have made. Whats more the vast majority of his posts are one liners. I can't help get the feeling of a lot of coasting but a failure to be deeply ingrained in the game.

So I want a case, UberNinja. I want your top suspect and I want reasons and your thought processes behind what you are thinking.

[Porochaz]

Pages 6 to 15...

6 - 10 really established my earlier reads and gave me a few town reads as well. (cooldog as a townread was a surprise) 11 to 15 had some interesting stuff in it, but it's been discussed before (Glorks vote on Haylen etc.) However I wanted to start paying attention to Uber. Now, I have been trying to work out how good Uber is at the game. For some reason, I didn't rate him much. It's difficult for me to notice because the Haylen-Glork-Grey thing got so big, and Cappy seems to be hogging all the useless banter limelight. Uber, isn't doing that as such, he's posting lots but its mainly to just agree and parrot arguments others have made. Whats more the vast majority of his posts are one liners. I can't help get the feeling of a lot of coasting but a failure to be deeply ingrained in the game.

So I want a case, UberNinja. I want your top suspect and I want reasons and your thought processes behind what you are thinking.

[UberNinja]

Also, I want every member of all teams playing to write their comments on this lynch.

good luck with that.

i can barely be assed to even read my partners games, much less comment on all of them

[UberNinja]

**i will ask, though.

[Porochaz]

I seem to be doubleposting, fantastic.

Also, I want every member of all teams playing to write their comments on this lynch.

Prozac: out of interest what team are you with? I can't see see you on the tm player list.

I'm not in a team.



No Im in Shea's team. Thanks to a Glork mistake (I hope a frog jumps down your throat and gets stuck there...), I joined Shea, who then rejected me in favour of Elli and Tajo who came as a package. Then Tajo flaked and because Im in need of constant approval, I got whiny at Shea and he let me back in. You didn't need that whole story but I just wanted to throw another insult at Glork.

Also I'm playing this game alone within a team. I am not interested in their (or for that matter, any team members from other teams) say. I am playing it like any other game.

[UberNinja]

@ Poro: Haylen, and the reasons can be easily found by a double-ISO of me and GreyICE.


Ciao

[CooLDoG]

Delta - I do agree with Glock yes, I do find it rather convenient your top 3 scum reads are the top 3 wagons, regardless of when your votes went on.

It just feels like you are willing to lynch anyone with a wagon on them. Or one that could be viable.

You're parroting the same tired argument without addressing my response. You want to make it sound like I suspect those people because they are the "top 3 wagons" but I have independent, solid reasons for suspecting them that are

entirely separate

from the fact that other people are voting them. Are you going to address that, or are you going to continue to cover your eyes and say "lalalala deltawave is just voting the top wagons and I don't care about reality"? Not to mention the absurdity of the argument when you take into account the "top wagons" of Glork and Murasa (who only had 2 votes on them at the time.)

For future reference. This is not a valid reason to vote for someone. It is mostly fluff, and can be summarized by, "Jason agrees with other people, thus he is scum". These are not solid reason at all, having separate reasons does not mean that your reasons are better than mine. Lynch DW.

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