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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:11 am

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Vote: Seanald


I'm not as clever as I think, perhaps I need a mafia coach. I figured that one of the two scum teams would try to kill the watcher, whether or not they felt I belonged to the town or the other mafia team. I thought they'd kill me because I'm dangerous (assuming I can do my freaking job correctly) or Slandaar because he's conftown, I came up with two likely situations. 1: I watch Slandaar, maybe Slandaar dies, I die with the info or get saved by a doctor, maybe I have info for town. 2: I watch myself, maybe I die, maybe I get saved by a doctor, I either die or wake up with info. I went with option 2, I was not visited last night.
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:14 am

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lol

thats so ludicrous I believe it
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 2:01 am

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Well I quit reading a couple pages in so I will be basing my decisions on what I see from this day forth and what I hear that happened before.
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 3:31 am

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hey lucky seems you got no idea whats going on sheep me
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 4:05 am

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4nxi3ty wrote:
Wrath wrote:Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessar V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?
insinuating someone is scummy for "not following through on their vla" because "they are afraid of looking like a lurker"...? leap in logic to further
cement a mislynch
is what that comment says to me.

I will support a WC, Iece, or Shmugen lynch today. Something about shmugen's hated claim is making me pause about that lynch yet I still prefer it over a MoI lynch.

unvote, vote: wrath

Can we lynch Anxiety please?

VOTE: Anxiety
I swear I left my gun somewhere.
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 4:08 am

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PS
Self-Watching is terrible. It's like the next worse thing after anxiety's scum-slip.
I swear I left my gun somewhere.
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 4:16 am

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Slandaar wrote:lol

thats so ludicrous I believe it

I think I'm almost there. Usually you can't self target. I'm going to go look at other DN games to see if he allows them.
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 5:04 am

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WrathChild wrote:PS
Self-Watching is terrible. It's like the next worse thing after anxiety's scum-slip.

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Also, I have no love for Anxiety, but I dont think that kind of scumslip applies in multiball.
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 5:46 am

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@Seanald
Whats your mafia experience, who do you think is scum/scummy?

Seanald lynch is pretty good, but due to his recent join date I'd be reluctant to join his wagon at the moment.

And for now
VOTE:hascow
, will make a case later but this is a good place to be right now.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 6:30 am

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I don't have alot of mafia experience on this site. But I have played before. read my meta, its good for a laugh acually.

As for who I think is scum/scummy. I don't trust my reads yet fully.

I think schmugen is who he says he is and isn't scum.

I'm not sure about you briz, considering the stacking of votes on my self that has occured so quickly, I'd say your taking this opportunity now to try and buddy buddy to gain town cred. but you were hoping to avoid that accusation by not following through with the actual voting of me. Instead you vote the cow and say you'll make a case later and that it is a good place to be, wtf why not give it now, you had time to make a post why not make it count?

oh I know, the plan to not post everything in 1 shot, but in a multiple spirts so that I can get my post count up and look more active, ineffect detering suspicion.

Maybe that was all a stretch idk my bff jill?

Im re-reading now to gauge on others better but I don't trust BBmolla,

I am not convinced on Hascow, if someone can explain why there is so much suscicion on him that'd be cool because I don't see it.

And whoa re-read my post and count how many typos are in it...good god yall.
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 6:43 am

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Unvote, Vote: Briz


Explain to me how you think Seanald is scum but aren't willing to pull the trigger on him until you hear his scumreads? Sounds to me like you're going to judge his scumminess based on your opinions rather than any behavior of his. There is also no explanation of why Cow's wagon is a good place to be.
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 7:06 am

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brizingre1 wrote:
@Seanald
Whats your mafia experience, who do you think is scum/scummy?

Seanald lynch is pretty good, but due to his recent join date I'd be reluctant to join his wagon at the moment.

And for now
VOTE:hascow
, will make a case later but this is a good place to be right now.



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Vote: Seanald


I'm not as clever as I think, perhaps I need a mafia coach. I figured that one of the two scum teams would try to kill the watcher, whether or not they felt I belonged to the town or the other mafia team. I thought they'd kill me because I'm dangerous (assuming I can do my freaking job correctly) or Slandaar because he's conftown, I came up with two likely situations. 1: I watch Slandaar, maybe Slandaar dies, I die with the info or get saved by a doctor, maybe I have info for town. 2: I watch myself, maybe I die, maybe I get saved by a doctor, I either die or wake up with info. I went with option 2, I was not visited last night.


I'm.........not sure that I buy that. It's too convenient.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 7:09 am

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@Cow: Thank you for varying the growls. This one sounds better. That quote was my exact thought process. I went for what I was positive on, they were going to try to kill me.
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 7:12 am

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Shmugen wrote:@Cow: Thank you for varying the growls. This one sounds better. That quote was my exact thought process. I went for what I was positive on, they were going to try to kill me.


If you were positive that they were going to kill you, why bother self-watching? You would need at least 2 people to target you in order to be helpful then, while if they didn't kill you, you just needed one person to target them to be helpful.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 7:57 am

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Precisely. As I said in that mess of a paragraph of mine, I was sure they were going to try to kill me. I could watch Slandaar or anyone else and maybe catch someone, or I could watch myself on the offchance that a protective role saved me and then have one of the scum. I planned on having info or being dead. I got neither.
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 8:25 am

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Seanald wrote:
I'm not sure about you briz, considering the stacking of votes on my self that has occured so quickly, I'd say your taking this opportunity now to try and buddy buddy to gain town cred. but you were hoping to avoid that accusation by not following through with the actual voting of me. Instead you vote the cow and say you'll make a case later and that it is a good place to be, wtf why not give it now, you had time to make a post why not make it count?

oh I know, the plan to not post everything in 1 shot, but in a multiple spirts so that I can get my post count up and look more active, ineffect detering suspicion.


God, where to start.
Firstly I was phoneposting at the time, which makes long posts, involving several posts and links, virtually impossible.

'considering the stacking of votes on my self that has occured so quickly, I'd say your taking this opportunity now to try and buddy buddy to gain town cred. but you were hoping to avoid that accusation by not following through with the actual voting of me.'

Firstly, sorry for being pedantic but could you try to use proper spelling and grammar because your posts are atm a nightmare to read.
If I was scum, why would I not vote for you as well as stating my stating my suspiscion of you? That would mean that I would be able to hop on to an easy wagon, and either lynch someone on the opposing scum team or a townie. This bit makes very little sense.

And why dont you 'trust' BBMolla? Is it because he happens to be leading the charge to lynch you?
So, essentially, you have two null reads, one town read, and one slightly scummy read. I'll ask you again - Who do you think is scum?

Shmugen wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Briz


Explain to me how you think Seanald is scum but aren't willing to pull the trigger on him until you hear his scumreads? Sounds to me like you're going to judge his scumminess based on your opinions rather than any behavior of his. There is also no explanation of why Cow's wagon is a good place to be.


Before his last post, my read on Seanald was only slightly scummy, and I had a much bigger scum read on cow, so therefore I voted him. Oh and nice misrep there, I specifically said that I would make a case on him later because at that time, I was on my phone, and making long posts on my phone is impossible. I never said that I would vote him after hearing his scum reads, just that I wanted to know who he thought was scum, for future flips etc..

As you might have guessed, back on my PC. Case on hascow coming up now.
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 8:27 am

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WrathChild wrote:
4nxi3ty wrote:
Wrath wrote:Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessar V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?
insinuating someone is scummy for "not following through on their vla" because "they are afraid of looking like a lurker"...? leap in logic to further
cement a mislynch
is what that comment says to me.

I will support a WC, Iece, or Shmugen lynch today. Something about shmugen's hated claim is making me pause about that lynch yet I still prefer it over a MoI lynch.

unvote, vote: wrath

Can we lynch Anxiety please?

VOTE: Anxiety

^This is okay too.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 8:28 am

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For the record, Cow's distrust in me and Shmugen reads as ungenuine and scummy.
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:22 am

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Hascow case


Firstly, he replaced Malee, who IMO was pretty damn scummy.
He replaced into the game and kept his vote on Perev throughout d1, and fended off an admittedly bad case on him made by Nero Cain. At this point, I don't have much of a problem with him, although he had done very little actual scumhunting.

However, his first post on D2 was this one: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3986138, where he votes for the biggest wagon WC for absolutely no reason and says absolutely nothing else in that post. Although he had said that WC was scummy recently, he had never given a single reason why, despite being asked to.

Then, less then 50 posts later, and without giving any more info on his WC vote, he rapidly switches to another wagon, the drmyshotgun wagon. This once again smacks of oppurtunistic scum taking the easy route.

Then even worse was this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3995152, where he votes BBMolla for jokeclaiming scum. He then keeps his vote on him for the rest of the day, and then votes him again at the beginning of D3. So he moved off one of his scumreads in order to try and support the policy lynch of a player for jokeclaiming scum, a lynch that was pretty clearly never going to happen,in the middle of D2 and so far in D3, yeah...

There's then the hypocrisy here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4023039, where he asks Shmugen to give reasons for his suspects, despite never having given them himself, plus the general lack of scumhunting overall.

Conclusion: Cow is scum.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:38 am

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I didn't misrep you, Briz, just a communication issue. You did indeed say you would build a case on Cow, I was inquiring how Seanald's scum status would change based on Seanald's scumreads.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:53 am

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Shmugen wrote:I didn't misrep you, Briz, just a communication issue. You did indeed say you would build a case on Cow, I was inquiring how Seanald's scum status would change based on Seanald's scumreads.


Firstly, it provides information for future flips. I noted that he hadn't posted or voted today, and wanted to try and force him to enter the game by asking him a question. Also, I find that Newbie scum tend to panic when asked to give their reads and often miraculously find the people who are questioning/threatening them to be the scummiest, something which Seanald did with his 'I don't like BB' thing.
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What did you think of his response.
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:54 am

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brizingre1 wrote:
Hascow case

and fended off an admittedly bad case on him made by Nero Cain.

So you think a case was "bad" yet you think that he's scum and use some of the same points I use lol. Tell my, why was it soooo important to point out that I put a "bad" case on Cow?
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:58 am

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Nero Cain wrote:
brizingre1 wrote:
Hascow case

and fended off an admittedly bad case on him made by Nero Cain.

So you think a case was "bad" yet you think that he's scum and use some of the same points I use lol. Tell my, why was it soooo important to point out that I put a "bad" case on Cow?


Your original case on him was pretty bad yes. What points did I reuse?
I was just going through his ISO, summarizing what he had done so far.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 9:59 am

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can't tell if scum or hard headed town.
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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2012 10:07 am

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brizingre1 wrote:
Hascow case


Firstly, he replaced Malee, who IMO was pretty damn scummy.
He replaced into the game and kept his vote on Perev throughout d1, and fended off an admittedly bad case on him made by Nero Cain. At this point, I don't have much of a problem with him, although he had done very little actual scumhunting.

However, his first post on D2 was this one: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3986138, where he votes for the biggest wagon WC for absolutely no reason and says absolutely nothing else in that post. Although he had said that WC was scummy recently, he had never given a single reason why, despite being asked to.

Then, less then 50 posts later, and without giving any more info on his WC vote, he rapidly switches to another wagon, the drmyshotgun wagon. This once again smacks of oppurtunistic scum taking the easy route.

Then even worse was this post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3995152, where he votes BBMolla for jokeclaiming scum. He then keeps his vote on him for the rest of the day, and then votes him again at the beginning of D3. So he moved off one of his scumreads in order to try and support the policy lynch of a player for jokeclaiming scum, a lynch that was pretty clearly never going to happen,in the middle of D2 and so far in D3, yeah...

There's then the hypocrisy here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4023039, where he asks Shmugen to give reasons for his suspects, despite never having given them himself, plus the general lack of scumhunting overall.

Conclusion: Cow is scum.


hypocrisy is not a scumtell.

BBmolla's first post on D3 makes me think he's scum. "Told you so" posts are not something that should come from town. Ever. I feel like jokeclaiming scum is more likely to come from scum, therefore he's a scumread. It's partially a policy lynch, but only because of the policy of wanting to lynch scum.

then there's my favorite: "opportunistic". I'm going to just ignore it, because apparently briz doesn't care enough to explain what the opportunism is and why it's scummy. It's just a fluff buzzword that can be used to add to a case without having to back it up. Like "flailing" or "overdefensiveness".

I thought I had explained WC? Didn't I say that the reason was the same as for PeregrineV?
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