Open 392 - Friends & Enemies & Enemies -Corporate Espionage

[Psyche]

I thought it was becoming progressively obvious. I suppose I'm tunneling. :/

[Whiskers]

I don't know which of Shotgun/Fitz is scum.

If I'm town, and Psyche, we presume, is town, then both of them are.

If I am scum, then

I

am scum, no further discussion needed. I'm fairly clearly not the werewolf.

Let me rephrase that: You think Psyche is town, but aren't sure which of Shotgun/fitz is town too.
If You think I am town, then BOTH of shotgun/fitz are scum. If you don't think I am town, then you should be trying to lynch me, shotgun/fitz be damned.

[BBmolla]

Whiskers I am trying to lynch you

I'm just trying to make sure I'm not making a mistake

Are you opposed to this or something

[Psyche]

Oh, you think Whiskers is scum.

[Dazzy]

When Scott Paper Company first started manufacturing toilet paper they did not put their name on the product because of embarrassment.

Vote count

(6 players alive = 4 to lynch)

(2)drmyshotgun - Whiskers, Psyche

(1)Whiskers - drmyshotgun
(1)Psyche - Trevor

Not voting(2/6)(havingfitz, BBMolla)

Deadline

: May 27, 2012

Other Notes:

[drmyshotgun]

Oh, you think Whiskers is scum.

He is. And you are too.

[Psyche]

Oh, you think Whiskers is scum.

He is. And you are too.

OMGUS.

[BBmolla]

Fitz/Trevor are confirm as not a team btw.

[Psyche]

Yeah. They are.

[Psyche]

I join a mini, the game runs like a snail. I join a large, the thread explodes in activity. Ugh.

[Trevor]

btw, there is no chance that the wolf can be lynched today as he should just claim wolf to make the town unvote.

[Psyche]

Yeah, I guess you would do that, Trevor.

[drmyshotgun]

So are we to pause after putting someone on L-1 and see if he claims Wolf?? Dunno about that.

[Trevor]

So are we to pause after putting someone on L-1 and see if he claims Wolf?? Dunno about that.

Actually, BBmolla should come to a conclusion and tell that person they are being lynched to see if they claim wolf.

[drmyshotgun]

Wolf doesn't want any victories either Town or Mafia.
I think s/he will just leave the Town to lose if they try to get him lynched.
He'll get NKed anyways?

[drmyshotgun]

But I sure hope Wolf claims Wolf to extend his life to bite the fuck out of one of those Mafias (we need to get one out of Psyche and Whiskers today, you see).
It will be fun watching both Wolf and Mafia killing each other.

[Trevor]

Yeah, I guess you would do that, Trevor.

Stop giving snarky responses to every post you make reminding me that you think I'm the wolf, it's really fucking annoying.

Wolf doesn't want any victories either Town or Mafia.
I think s/he will just leave the Town to lose if they try to get him lynched.
He'll get NKed anyways?

If wolf claims, he goes from a guaranteed loss to a chance of at least a draw/tie/survival if the mafia avoids him and he survives to tomorrow with only 1 mafia remaining.

[drmyshotgun]

Hmmm, I'd think Mafia would certainly shoot claimed Wolf, but I guess you are right.
These Scums would do anything that is even slightly in favor of their win.

[drmyshotgun]

But what if we're lynching a Mafia and that Mafia claims Wolf?
Should the real Wolf counter-claim then? Lol

[Trevor]

But what if we're lynching a Mafia and that Mafia claims Wolf?
Should the real Wolf counter-claim then? Lol

Depends on how believable the claim is and whether he thinks he is the alternative lynch.

[drmyshotgun]

Right. Agreed.

[Psyche]

I wish we could just lynch Trevor and get on with it...

[Whiskers]

Yeah, I guess you would do that, Trevor.

Stop giving snarky responses to every post you make reminding me that you think I'm the wolf, it's really fucking annoying.

This.

Also,

But what if we're lynching a Mafia and that Mafia claims Wolf?
Should the real Wolf counter-claim then? Lol

This.

Which is why it's really weird hearing it coming from you, Trevor.

Have you beaten Psyche's werewolf case on you, by the way? I don't remember seeing you ever try to refute or fight it, but I have a bad memory. Are you

not

the werewolf? Why?

[drmyshotgun]

I wish we could just lynch Trevor and get on with it...

So you want to lynch your Wolfboy?

[Trevor]

Done.

First, Trevor's scumminess and Trevor's connection with Kcdaspot. These are two separate points that I am making, but they are not mutually exclusive.

[spoiler="Trevor" is a Werewolf Name, P1]Trevor is probably the last werewolf. 

Before his relatively weak towntell in post 54, his early posts consist of not only fluff, but of fluff that reads as disingenuous and manufactured. He asks a set of questions that definitely

matter

and make him look good, but don't count as content. His posts remind me of Staeg, my scumbuddy in Open 396. They are pretty effective as a scumstyle, but are ultimately vacuous and scummy.

After 54, however, he progressively changes a null read into a kcdaspot's-scumbud read.
68, 109 and 112, again, are helpful but not townful. One important highlight of these posts his his bandwagon on the raspberry wagon for weak reasons.

Actually, cancel DK Town read. He's bored. So he might be anxiously expecting some Night partying.

I am being misread. :[

Anyway, Whiskers is my only townread. 

And Lucky, you're vote is still on me, it's way after what you guys call 'RVS'. So I'm definitely going to vote you.

Vote Luckyjt

DK, is that your only basis for a read on Lucky?

I feel like Darkling explained himself adequately.

Vote: rasberrylicious

until he does something, because right now, his posts are scum.

He presumably wagons because "his posts are scum" and there's a need for him to do something. Pathetic, and just like scum to justify taking a cookie from the jar with a short-but-definitely-

present

explanatory blurb.

But more importantly, in all this, he blatantly

ignores Whisker's case on Kcdaspot

and instead chooses to vote raspberry. Let's analyze this closer.

Finally, which of you, (4) Raspberrylicious - BBMolla, Trevor, drmyshotgun, Kassadin, actually thinks raspberrylicious is actually scum?

And why?

Cause he's scum and won't put effort into posting unless we run him up.

Whiskers is probably scum too.  Maybe.  Still deciding, give me a bit.

Don't tell anybody, but Whiskers and I are scum partners.

Besides the scumclaim, he hasn't done shit and everything he says sounds like subtle trolling.

I don't like the bandwagon on Kcda that much. He sounds more like a trolling/dgaf player more than a scum-motivated player.

Whiskers and Darkling are townreads for their Whiskers' analysis and Darkling's read list.

Sorry, I've been extremely busy. Just my thoughts after catching up.

This

, however, is the clincher. Look closely. 
Why is he voting for raspberry?

everything he says sounds like subtle trolling.

Why does he think kcdaspot is town?

He sounds more like a trolling/dgaf player

Think about this. Let X = a single, constant justification for a belief.
Trevor thinks raspberry is SCUM because of X.
Trevor thinks kcdaspot is TOWN because of X.

Does this make sense? No. Because Trevor scumslipped and failed to manufacture this post properly. He is scumbuds with kcdaspot and wanted raspberry lynched because he was NOT kcdaspot.[/spoiler]

Next, I will consider Kcdaspot's activities regarding Trevor. Alone, neither of these are enough to connect Trevor to Kcdaspot, but together we have a strong case that 1) Kcdaspot has been waging a WIFOM campaign regarding Trevor from his first post with the sole intent of distancing from him and 2) that Trevor, instead, has been actively ignoring him and

indirectly (and thus furtively)

working to keep him from being lynched.

Spoiler: Pt2: Trevor is a name for a Werewolf's Best Friend

Trevor is most probably the last werewolf. 

I believe that kcdaspot initiated a strategic WIFOM campaign on Trevor starting on 186 and 188 and culminating on 256-257. Kcdaspot obviously has the gambitting spirit and it makes the most sense for it to be that way. His goal was to activate within us the Ambiguity Effect — our unwillingness to consider options involving pronounced uncertainty. We cannot allow this tactic to be successful — Trevor is clearly the werewolf.

First, I will catalog kcdaspot's WIFOM campaign.

VOTE: trevor

Who the fuck are you and why do you have a normal name?

Fos: Kass

Trevor vote.

I think trevor may be scummy after reading his iso.

He's STILL voting darkling after voting hime for quote "two odd foses"

And now he says darkling is town. And he doesn't unvote. HMMMM

This is so botched up as to be an obviously strategic move to leave connections with Trevor. He is definitely NOT distancing from Trevor here; he is, in fact, "laying a tell". 

Alone, we would only get WIFOMy about this. 
There are two reasons I don't think we have to — 1. Kcdaspot revealed his plans so obviously in his self-hammer post, and 2. Trevor himself is scummy, and

along with that

his own behavior shows obvious connections to Kcdaspot.

At the

very least

I'm thinking the following quote is a way of kcdaspot backtracking on his Trevor connections by WIFOMing them to oblivion. 

VOTE: kcdaspot

PAHAHAHAHAHA

I GO DOWN OUTTING THE MASON GROUP FUCKERS.

HEY OTHER SCUM FUCKS: PROPOSITION.

MY PARTNER GOES AFTER WHISKERSCONFMASON AND YOU GUISE TAKE CARE OF EITHER TREVOR OR MOLLA.

IF YOU HAVE A BETTER READ ON THE MASONY THAN ME GO AHEAD AND KILL WHO EVER IS LAST MASON GUY THEN. DON'T NEED A NAMED TOWNIE DON'T WE?

LATER CLOWNS

Kcdaspot chose BBMolla because he seemed like a plausible townlynch upon whom a reasonable amount of doubt could be placed on. Trevor, however, was the plan from the beginning. Why Trevor? Because Trevor is Kcdaspot's scumbuddy and Kcdaspot knows that townies naturally avoid considerations of WIFOM. I know from my studies of psychology where this natural avoidance comes from — but it's a common aspect of site meta by itself.


I don't expect this case on kcdaspot alone to get you to agree with me about Trevor. It, combined with my case on Trevor, should be the clincher.

Thank you. It's wordy, but every word counts. I'm no mastin.

Here's what I read.

Part 1: Trevor is fluffing and his play reminds me of some other guy in some other game who was scum. He goes for raspberry instead of kdaspot even though raspberry claimed scum. He doesn't mention Kdaspot who happened to be scum.

Part 2: Trevor and Kdaspot were attacking eachother and kdaspot used some wifom. Kdaspot gets bussed and TELLS THE OTHER GROUP TO SHOOT HIS PARTNER OR BBMOLLA. Clearly, after heavily distancing d1, they decide to bus each other. Want to see Trevor's other content or reasoning on why no one else could possibly be a werewolf? Neither did I.

Psyche and Fitz are partners. Whiskers is the werewolf.

This is what I wrote in response to Psyche's "case". I'll elaborate more soon.