Open 399: Faith Plus 1 (Day Seven)

[Psyche]

Vijay what you did there was so sacrificial and beneficial to the town... I love you now.

And shotty is safe! I was successful

Tell me. What beneficial thing did Vijay do?

[MattP]

Soooooooooooo back to my case on venmar...?

[drmyshotgun]

Go ahead.

[MattP]

Okay, i disagree with you guys for voting on Kondi. He is clearly not scum in my eyes...

Wow, that's funny Venmar, because the last two times you mentioned Kondi prior to this:

I don't like how Shotgun and Kondie are basically buddying each other.

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

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You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game

, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake.

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

[TheTrollie]

Kondi is my strongest scum-read right now:

I'm thinking he's probably going to get lynched sometime anyways.

Why should I PL him over lynching someone who I think is scum?

Because you have the rest of the game to lynch scum, this is the one time where we will probably be able to pull a Kass-lynch through.

Saying he will get lynched some time anyway is bad logic. There is no way to prove that. Plus, Kass is a quiet player. There will always be a louder, better target than him, especially if most players can't get a read on him.

Seriously, if Kass is in lylo we are fucked.

Explain? I don't necessarily disagree, but still.

PEdit: Meh. I've never actually taken part in a PL. Let's do it. VOTE: Kassadin

His reason for taking part in the PL (besides the fact that he had never done it before) was because he agrees that

we are fucked if Kass is in lylo

.

By the way, MattP townslipped.

Hmmmm.. XD just kidding.

1 for 1 is always good imo, even if we lose our cop. But seriously, this claiming. *sigh* might as well say it, I'm a Faith Healer as well.

All other FHs should claim now.

We aren't PLing today guys. Let shotgun sort that out for us.

Once Kass is conftown/scum we can let scum nightkill him or we can lynch him.

this is non-responsive to Kondi's/Matt's reasoning that we do not want him in lylo, as that argument is independent of Kass's alliance, yet, Kondi switches his vote on the argument:

Good call, vijay. UNVOTE:

so now he is unvoting

because shotgun can investigate him

so now we don't have to PL him.

Yet again he changes his reason here:

Matt, like I said, I'm not retarded. If he were my buddy, I would have bussed that shit to next week. I want to see if there are any Fith Healer CCs first.

so now his reason (his third reason) is that he wanted to

wait to see if there are any faith healers

1st reason: doesnt trust town or scum kass in lylo
2nd reason: we dont need to lynch kass we can have shot investigate him
3rd reason: we need to wait until there are any more FHs

VOTE: Kondi

Just to be clear - I feel almost positive that Kassadin, OmNom, vijay, Venmar, and Darkling are all town. Those five are just town. MattP, shotgun, and Trollie are lesser town reads, but I still feel good about them. BK is scum, and Chrimi, morton, and Psyche are null reads.

@Psyche: Could you see scumteams consisting of three of BK, Chrimi, morton, and Trollie?

what made you change your read on me?

[drmyshotgun]

MattP's find on Venmar is excellent. Mind blowing stuff.
VOTE: Venmar

[drmyshotgun]

Trollie's find is solid too.
But Venmar's inconsistency is outrageous.

[TheTrollie]

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

i get where you are going here, but why do you think kondi is town in the first place? are you just saying that because it explains the venmar distancing?

[MattP]

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

i get where you are going here, but why do you think kondi is town in the first place? are you just saying that because it explains the venmar distancing?

Notice I made it a conditional. However, if Venmar flips scum then I'm pretty certain that Kondi is town. And considering my reads are always superb, Venmar is almost definitely scum.

[MattP]

Vote: Venmar

[TheTrollie]

EBWOP: I'd probably be fine voting for either right now but in the case kondi is scum (which i think he is), it seems venmar's slip is not distancing, so its not that scummy.

p-edit: yeah so as per what i said above, i'm not hoping on a venmar wagon just yet. once kondi gets off my scum list I am 100% with you.

[Psyche]

Okay, i disagree with you guys for voting on Kondi. He is clearly not scum in my eyes...

Wow, that's funny Venmar, because the last two times you mentioned Kondi prior to this:

I don't like how Shotgun and Kondie are basically buddying each other.

Limbo ( Not sure if Mafia or Townie )

- Kondi

(

You know, i am leaning scum just for the bloc at the beginning of the game

, but at the same time i kind of believe him that it could have been a bait trying to arouse reactions from others. His further activity in this game has been promising, so i doubt he is mafia because making that bloc would have been a fairly dumb mafia move. Seeing as Kondi doesn't strike me as a bad player, i doubt that it was scum mistake.

This makes it seem like kondi is town and venmar is scum and venmar is trying to keep his hands clean from the bloodbath that would have arisen if kondi flipped town. He was never outright against a kondi-scum read, so him saying that he is "clearly not scum in his eyes" and that lynching him is a mistake is classic scum distancing from a town lynch.

Oh, look, an excuse not to read the thread.

Vote Venmar

That's fine, Trollie.

[Venmar]

Oh Jeeze. I come back to see already a wagon on me..

[Psyche]

At least it's never boring.

[drmyshotgun]

Oh Jeeze. I come back to see already a wagon on me..

Not a defence, but a whine my little Scum?

[Psyche]

You're so weird, shotgun.

[drmyshotgun]

Vijay what you did there was so sacrificial and beneficial to the town... I love you now.

And shotty is safe! I was successful

Oh Btw, Thanks Doc.
You are my personal Doctor now.

You're so weird, shotgun.

How so?

[TheTrollie]

@venmar: can you explain your change of hart on kondi?

[TheTrollie]

im dumb: heart*

[Venmar]

Everyone is just dogging Mattp's reasoning without really giving much of their own. This is clearly a wagon rather than your guys's so called block. You guys say " Oh lets wait and all decide before we all vote. " and then you all dog the reasoning of someone who is not confirmed town.

I don't see the change of heart. I put down Kondi as a Unsure read and then i say lynching him is not the best idea because i don't think he is scum. If i put him down as unsure, i am obviously unsure if he is scum so i said that because i didn't actually see him as scum.

I never called Kondi scum nor town..

[drmyshotgun]

I never called Kondi scum nor town..

......
I must ask...

What

did you call him then?

[kondi2424]

@Trollie's case: Notice that vijay ALSO mentioned the FH's CCing in his post. That's why I unvoted, not because Kassadin could be investigated.

Anyway, let me sort through this.

[Venmar]

I had a unsure read. I can't call him town nor mafia because i am unsure!! How hard is this to understand..

[BK201]

1st reason: doesnt trust town or scum kass in lylo
2nd reason: we dont need to lynch kass we can have shot investigate him
3rd reason: we need to wait until there are any more FHs

Agreed. Lynch all liars. To hell with AtE.
@case on Venmar, good, but not as good as this case.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

[BK201]

wait I didn't vote lol, so no need for an unvote. I'm awesome.