TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[UberNinja]

**Also need to ISO Haylen to watch and see if/how she flip flops to OMGUS vote everyone who voted for her.

[Haylen]

Omgus is a terrible tell. You need to look at whether the person argued their point well. And often it looks like somebody is OMGUSing when they aren't because so many people are attacking them.

[DeltaWave]

I've spent so much energy on Glork that I've let other people drop off my radar. I'm going to be taking a closer look at people who I haven't scrutinized as closely.

[UberNinja]

**Also need to ISO Haylen to watch and see if/how she flip flops to OMGUS vote everyone who voted for her.

Omgus is a terrible tell. You need to look at whether the person argued their point well. And often it looks like somebody is OMGUSing when they aren't because so many people are attacking them.

Thanks for showing that you care so much about my impending analysis that you took the time to head it off at the pass before it even saw it's first sunrise. In other words...

u scared

bro

?




And no, it's not a terrible tell. Especially

if

when it works.

[GreyICE]

Right ho, MoI is done his reread, and he has several main points, bulleted here.

First, Haylen is just stalling for time at this point. She wants to do 'rereads' but the discussion has moved to UberNinja and DeltaWave, so where is she? I dunno, but she pops up like magic when her name is called!

Delta, Glork, get your asses onto Haylen. It's lynching time.

Case, summarized:

1) No proactive scumhunting whatsoever. Scumhunting is done merely as a reaction to the town pressuring her, and focuses on whoever wants her dead. Why am I scum? Why is UberNinja scum? Why is Glork scum? Why is any of her scum reads scum? All people voting her. There is a 100% correlation between her attacks and the people voting her. BAD.

2) Current reasoning on why she's in a normal is crap. She has played in DC Universe, Buffy, Camn's Tempermental, Mind Screw, Calculus Mafia, and X-Files in the same time that she's taken part in Mini 1304, New York 138, and mini 1140. She's in this game for a reason. What is it?

3) Appeals to fear show distinct non-town mentality.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4033555
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4043367

Note the following especially:

PRE-EDIT Grey: Right now I really do hope you lynch me. As it'll be an awesome bitchslap losing points for your team. Go on, do it. I'll actually enjoy the satisfying feeling. You need to stop shoving cacti up your jacksie by the way, it might make you less high-strung.

Followed by this, shortly thereafter:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4044753

Now if I'm scum... why would I lose points for lynching her? Yet again we see her trying to appeal to me as a townie while CALLING ME SCUM.

4) Inconsistent stances on me. I'm scum, I'm bad town, now I'm scum again (who will lose points by lynching her...).


The bullshit meter has broken. She's just going to drag these reads out as long as fucking possible.

Folks, it is hammer time.

(above courtesy of MoI, with translations from QT-ese by GreyICE)

[hasdgfas]

Haylen(5): iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx
DeltaWave(4): Glork, jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG
Glork(2): Haylen, DeltaWave
Captain Murasa(1): Mastermind of Sin
Uberninja(1): Porochaz

Not Voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is May 21.

[UberNinja]

Porochaz and Mastermind of Sin are both respectively on useless 1-person wagons.

Glork, Jason, CapMurasa, and CoolDog are on a terrible wagon. Switch to Haylen.

[DeltaWave]

I'm prepared to move my vote to L-1, but not before I post my revised Town <-> Scum list for today.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hmm. 3 town and 1 possible scum on the Delta wagon. 2 idiots and 3 questionable people on the Haylen wagon. That makes this an easy choice.

Unvote, Vote: DeltaWave

[UberNinja]

Looks like it's coming down to it. Scum is trying to do a last push to save their buddy Haylen.

Don't fall for it.

[DeltaWave]

Revised list:

TOWN

GreyICE
Uberninja
Slaxx
iamausername
Porochaz
PeregrineV
Jason
Mastermind of Sin
Captain Murasa = Glork
Haylen

SCUM

Not sure at this point if Cooldog is extremely dumb or scum yet, so I don't know where to put him.

Anyway, Haylen is basically confirmed scum at this point. They promised that they would deliver full assessments on everyone but has only given one on GI two days ago and has made ZERO attempt to continue. It was just a stalling tactic, probably an attempt to stall the Haylen wagon so that Haylen's scumbuddies could push mine.

UNVOTE: Glork
VOTE: Haylen

This is the L-1. Feel free to hammer.

[UberNinja]

Welp, I doubt Haylen's gonna hammer herself; she's obviously going to do the survivalistic thing here and vote for DeltaWave... so it looks like Porochaz has the final say.

Make the right fucking choice, Porochaz.

[GreyICE]

Uggghhh

Glork

DeltaWave is town

Get your vote on this wagon right the fuck now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

WANT TO HAMMER SO BAD

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oh, also, my team says that UberNinja is 100% scum. Just putting that out there before some idiot vig decides to kill me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

FYI, Haylen's early play reminded me of Winvitational where she wasn't doing shit and then lost the game for us because she didn't try the whole game. However, her whole "I'm kicking myself for not playing better" and such is a slight departure from that, but I can't decide if it's because she's scum giving us platitudes or if it's because she has learned from Winvitational. I want to see what Glork has to say on that, since he was also in Winvitational.

[GreyICE]

MoS. Haylen is now effectively immortal if she's town, since she's NOT getting night killed (except by a vig, I guess). So... what? We do this again day 2? Day 3? Day 4? How long are you willing to put up with our immortal Haylen? If the play you're angling for is to never lynch her and never have her night killed, then what sort of odds are you willing to put on her being town? Because the opposite side of those odds? That's the odds we have no chance of winning this game.

[Captain Murasa]

Guys, seriously. Haylen is town and this wagon needs to shift onto DeltaWave.

[UberNinja]

Oh, also, my team says that UberNinja is 100% scum. Just putting that out there before some idiot vig decides to kill me.

Is that so? Well, UberNinja says that your team is 100% retarded.

[UberNinja]

Oh, Yosarian's on your team. No fucking wonder.

[Captain Murasa]

?
Do you and Yos have a history?

[UberNinja]

Can't talk about it, I might get PENALIZED BY SOMEBODY STUPID

[DeltaWave]

MoS: How do you respond to GI's post #829? It pretty conclusively proves Haylen is scum. Particularly the part about calling GI scum yet appealing to him as town.

[DeltaWave]

Just in case I do end up getting lynched, my team (particularly DeasVail) has some reads I want to put out there. He and I disagree on quite a few of these, but we both concur that Haylen and MoS are scummy. He thinks Glork is town. He's kind of ambivalent about a lot of people, like GI, UN, Jason, Murasa.

[DeltaWave]

Clarification: He thinks GI is town, I misread him the first time. He's also on the fence about UN because UN could be town, or could be scum defending me for townpoints after the flip.