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[CooLDoG]

I've spent so much energy on Glork that I've let other people drop off my radar. I'm going to be taking a closer look at people who I haven't scrutinized as closely.

Tunnel vision is a very easy thing to do when you are scum pushing for a mislynch.

In response to your question: as this argument has gone on, and as I've continually rebutted your points, you've amped up the abrasiveness. That's what I'm referring to.

I don't see the word substituted in here. If you are going to make shit up Delta, at least be good at , okay?

@haylen, what are your current reads and what are your teams reads?

[DeltaWave]

I've spent so much energy on Glork that I've let other people drop off my radar. I'm going to be taking a closer look at people who I haven't scrutinized as closely.

Tunnel vision is a very easy thing to do when you are scum pushing for a mislynch.

You've been more or less flying under the radar this whole day. It sounds like you're trying to keep it that way.

In response to your question: as this argument has gone on, and as I've continually rebutted your points, you've amped up the abrasiveness. That's what I'm referring to.

I don't see the word substituted in here. If you are going to make shit up Delta, at least be good at , okay?

Pop quiz: What did Glork and I argue about, that led to me voting him?

[Glork]

Unvote

Off to work. When I get home tonight, I'm going to catch up, re-read, and consider this very carefully, given there was a D1 scumlynch in the game my team was NOT in.

[Haylen]

HEY GREY, I MADE A CASE ON YOU AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER IT. Apparently, that means I'm not scumhunting.

Also not stalling, just revising for my 2nd year exams.

[Porochaz]

People didn't accuse me of that, it's just what I did as a way of scumhunting.

Needless to say, it's not really a good idea for me to continue on that course.

Yeah I realise, but there is still a point to it, that I won't drop and Im trying to veer it away from your mistake.

Also...

It's not a way of scumhunting. It's a way of humping someones leg.

[Porochaz]

Porochaz and Mastermind of Sin are both respectively on useless 1-person wagons.

Glork, Jason, CapMurasa, and CoolDog are on a terrible wagon. Switch to Haylen.

Interesting you saying that, because that 1-person wagon is on you.

Also your big long post about my change of opinion on glork was a nice way of making sure noone read it. Then putting your point in bold. It's clear that I still find Glork scummy. What's more I was explaining my thought process, and yes in the end I unvoted him - because he stopped playing like a fanny and started playing well.

[UberNinja]

I was putting that there for myself, not others, as was stated.

And of course I call your 1-person wagon on me useless.
It's useless on anybody; it's even

more

useless on me.

[Porochaz]

Well I really dont want Haylen lynched. And I am not particularly enamoured with the DW lynch either. I want people to notice your shameless bandwagoning, lack of original thought, coasting... and is that a slight OMGUS coming into play there? and decide to compromise to voting you.

MoS thinks your scummy. He should join me on this wagon. Pretty confident others find you pretty bad as well and that you wouldn't be a bad choice for a lynch.

[UberNinja]

I really DO want Haylen lynched. And I am completely against the DW wagon.

I freely admit my bandwagoning is shameless. You have no case there, I own up to sheeping GreyICE. It's at the point where I would lynch Haylen right now even if she HADN'T started tickling my scum sense with her early posts in RVS (yo, I was the first one to attack her, in case you forgot). But GreyICE's stuff is much more convincing, and gave confirmation to what I suspected.

No, it's not OMGUS coming into play. I'm saying a 1-person wagon is useless when there are 2 big dueling wagons. You could have been on any 1-person wagon and I would have called it useless, even if it was Scummy McFucking Scummerson and I had been trying to lynch them all day. The fact of the matter is though that a single vote on someone (whether of obstinacy or ignorance or just pure dissent of the leading wagons) is doing exactly ZERO towards helping ANYONE do ANYTHING... whether town OR scum.

Yes, I'm town, and yes, your vote being on me seems extra-dumb to me because I know it's on town, but that doesn't even begin to come into play with why I called it useless in the first place.

So, tl;dr, I'm saying pull up your britches, stop being useless, and either vote Delta or Haylen. I prefer Haylen for reasons I and GreyICE have already stated.

[Porochaz]

I freely admit my bandwagoning is shameless. You have no case there, I own up to sheeping GreyICE. It's at the point where I would lynch Haylen right now even if she HADN'T started tickling my scum sense with her early posts in RVS (yo, I was the first one to attack her, in case you forgot). But GreyICE's stuff is much more convincing, and gave confirmation to what I suspected.

Yep, bandwagon and sheeping, doesn't stop it being a case just because you admit to it. So yeah, you aren't denying the obvious, well done. Means nothing.

No, it's not OMGUS coming into play. I'm saying a 1-person wagon is useless when there are 2 big dueling wagons.

That wasn't what I was talking about. The big post about me/Glork.

You could have been on any 1-person wagon and I would have called it useless, even if it was Scummy McFucking Scummerson and I had been trying to lynch them all day. The fact of the matter is though that a single vote on someone (whether of obstinacy or ignorance or just pure dissent of the leading wagons) is doing exactly ZERO towards helping ANYONE do ANYTHING... whether town OR scum.

You've never heard of the Liberal Democrats, have you?

Actually, we are 4 days from deadline. We have two camps and god knows how many times I've seen a deadline lynch happen on someone that isn't the two options available. Basically you have Haylen or Deltawave. Now you are really pro-Haylen lynch and Glork, lets say is really pro-Delta lynch but we are approaching deadline, neither of you want to jump ship (you especially because, you know, you'd be breaking your rule of not saying anything original), hey presto, I offer the alternative. Maybe a crap example, because you are the alternative but you get what I mean.

I am not voting for a wagon I don't believe in unless it's a choice between that or noone.

Yes, I'm town, and yes, your vote being on me seems extra-dumb to me because I know it's on town, but that doesn't even begin to come into play with why I called it useless in the first place.

Yawn. Glad you know and are responding with tired cliched comments. And you are wrong. And even if you weren't, well, you aren't the one who should say it. Just makes you look worse...

So, tl;dr, I'm saying pull up your britches, stop being useless, and either vote Delta or Haylen. I prefer Haylen for reasons

I and

GreyICE have already stated.

fixed

[iamausername]

Porochaz should be vigged on principle,

I doubt he'd do anything different than this if he was scum.

He's saying that in this game, here and now, that Prozac is town and he still wants to vig him. On principal. A) how does he know Prozac is town, b) that's a scummy as hell.

Also, semantics arguments are so fail. I don't think you're town.

Hypocrite.

Haylen, Fonz also wants me to ask you who you think is scummiest out of the players who

aren't

attacking you, and why?

Guys, seriously. Haylen is town and this wagon needs to shift onto DeltaWave.

well this didn't convince anyone the first ten times you said it, but maybe if you assert that Haylen is town without explaining why you think that, or addressing any of the reasons people think she's scum, for an

eleventh

time, maybe we'll finally see the light

could happen

Yep, bandwagon and sheeping, doesn't stop it being a case just because you admit to it. So yeah, you aren't denying the obvious, well done. Means nothing.

But what makes it a case in the first place? Why is bandwagoning and sheeping scummy? If someone makes a point that you agree with, why shouldn't you sheep them?

[Porochaz]

On 3ds so keeping it short

Agreeing with a point is okay, sheeping implies that they are following someone else word for word. With nothing else it shows a reliance on others and a failure to be able to form ones own opinions or cases. The most likely reason is because as scum he has a different win condition and has to fabricate cases against town members or if all else fails rely on someone else to do the legwork.

As I have said, there is no original thought there. Just someone to jump on an easy bandwagon with minimum effort which can lead to easier town lynches

[Porochaz]

hand hurts now. didn't keep it short

[Captain Murasa]

@IAAU: I already have addressed why I think she's town, but if you want me to address some points on her then I guess I can do that. Frankly at this point I think a lot of her play is like an emotional townie (which addresses someone's point but I can't remember who).

[UberNinja]

somebody wake me when it's Day 2

[Glork]

If anything, the main reason I'm not certain of my Glorktown read yet is because he wasn't ENOUGH of a dick so far. Obviously now his future behavior is moot toward this meta, but the point is that Glork being a dick isn't a scumtell.

Interesting. Not something I would have expected you to say.

Also worth noting that in Weasel Mafia, I was scum.

But part of my in-game persona is as a complete hard-ass, and I've publicly stated that I sometimes intentionally antagonize people I think are scum, because it elicits a more nautral (and easier to read) reaction. (Talking Tree Stump Mafia here.)




Now. I personally have sort of gotten cold feet about a Haylen-lynch. However, due to the result in the other game and after a little discussion with the team, there's *enough* of a chance that Haylen is scum that we decided being on the lynch is a good idea. I'll probably wind up regretting this for a host of reasons, but here goes.

Vote: Haylen

[GreyICE]

*claps*

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

[iamausername]

[Glork]

That VT claim very, very, VERY nearly pushed me off of it.

[jasonT1981]

hold on.. .so you can talk about AtE in regards to glock.....in 485

but when I saw you are using ATE you sarcastically say about interpruting emotion through internet

HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN WORK??????

Because I was asking DeltaWave if his AtE reason was parroted?

Alright, fair enough on that then. I suppose I read it wrong at the time.

Seriously guys, Haylen is town and this wagon needs to fucking die.
All the wagons that are being talked about (Haylen, Glork, My wagon) are on town.
DeltaWave is a good wagon, lets lynch him. Jason isn't far behind either.

I am hoping you have a case on DW....I cant remember if you had one or not... but yea, lots of shouting of who to lynch, but no work to show why? scummy

My gut is yelling at me that you are town. You really sound like a townie who is feeling cornered, but isn't letting it get in your way. Which is a really townie thing to do.

my god, I actually bagree with you... Shame you are just parrotting what I already said.

So you guys should remember if I get lynched that my responses have not been taken into account at all and the case explained (I've asked at least twice) when requested.

Again how the fuck am I supposed to prove my team said something without posting the link.

Well, maybe explain their reasoning. Why they think the way they do. I dunno, something.

"My team thinks you're scum Glork"

Any reasons why they think Glock is scum?

P.S. Delta is town. CooLDoG is scum. You are not paying any fucking attention, and that's bad.

Nah, other way around IMO

@Glork-number 13 on the player list. I'm hurt that you forgot I was in the game. You know, if it' s true.

@haylen- no faking conversations allowed.
VOTE: Haylen

oh hiya.... hopefully PereV does give more than she had so far.

I can be confident at this point if I want to be. I already know my reads can be pretty good as I've caught a scumteam before within 150 pages in my newbie game.

150 pages... damn!!!! Anyone could catch all the scum in a newbie by page 150... GIVEN THERE ARE ONLY 2 IN A NEWBIE!

I can be confident at this point if I want to be. I already know my reads can be pretty good as I've caught a scumteam before within 150 pages in my newbie game.

You can say what you want but so far your only defense of Haylen (as far as I've seen, let me know if I missed anything) is that you have a "gut" feeling that they're town. That's not enough for me.

see, I can understand the calls of Haylen being town, I think so too. However, Capt has just parrotted my reasons from earlier.

Oh yeah that was a fail typo, I mean 150 posts.

alright, typo... however.. I want to see this game... please!! it very much interests me

ITT Glork > DeltaWave

Vote: DeltaWave

I'm not entirely confident that Delta isn't just an idiot, but this is as good a place as any to put some pressure and see what pops out.

good voting

ITT Glork > DeltaWave

Vote: DeltaWave

I'm not entirely confident that Delta isn't just an idiot, but this is as good a place as any to put some pressure and see what pops out.

Look at Jason and Murasa's reasons for voting me, then see if you can tell me that this wagon isn't scumdriven.

LOLOMGUSLOL

I haven't read a single one of Jason's posts as of yet in this game. Actually, that's probably not true. I'm pretty sure I saw him post once, but I have no idea what he said.

I hope your paying attention now!

OK, I am leaving this here at the end of page 25.. my head is throbbing. More tomorrow when I am (hopefully) feeling better. Again, sorry for such a long absence, work and flu suck.

[Haylen]

Nope I'm VT. See you on the other side. I wont have time to post a full analysis by the time the thread's locked but here goes something:

GreyICE: SERIOUSLY, LOOK AT HIM TOMORROW. FFS.

Glork: Same as greyice.

Prozac and Jason are town and don't forget it.

Not sure if Uber is scum or just a ninny, same with Delta.

REREAD MURASA. Something isn't right there.

I would bet my bottom dollar on Iam being scum with Grey.

PERE NEEDS TO POST MORE. VIG TARGET.

Cooldog im leaning both ways on, either quil or kats thought he was scum.

[Haylen]

Also, I'm REALLY FUCKING PISSED OFF ABOUT HOW EVERYONE LISTENED TO GREYS CRAP CASE AND IGNORED MINE ON HIM.

[GreyICE]

Nobody listened to your crap case because it was crap. Don't play like a fucking scumbag then get lynched because you played like one.

[Haylen]

Take you're random day one crap somewhere like EM. Maybe they'll think you're playing well.

Seriously, read your fucking iso. It's so full of bullcrap I can't even believe you'd have the gull to post like that in a game.

[Haylen]

ALSO, DON'T CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO READ SOMEONE WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T.