TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[DeasVail]

What makes you think I have no reasoning?

[Magua]

Just going out on a limb here, but it's probably not "He thinks you have no reasoning," so much as "You posted no reasoning."

[DeasVail]

Just going out on a limb here, but it's probably not "He thinks you have no reasoning," so much as "You posted no reasoning."

I thought that might be the case.

If so, it leads me to...

Why does a vote mean I must give reasoning to justify it, as opposed to a FoS?

[Magua]

I thought that might be the case.

If so, it leads me to...

Why does a vote mean I must give reasoning to justify it, as opposed to a FoS?

Homie wants to play a different game.

Pretend I don't give a shit about FoSes (I know, it'll be difficult.) Why do you think a vote without reasoning at this stage of the game is acceptable?

[DeasVail]

Sorry for being unclear. The question was for MoI, so for now I'll only answer that there's nothing wrong with it.

[Magua]

I like the cut of you jib.

[Magua]

EBWOP: Your jib.

Even.

[T-Bone]

I'm on V/LA, so just checking in quick.

Guys in 1A, I apologize. When I had that issue last week, I missed the opportunity to vote and did not submit one in time. I did submit a late vote on Zar though. I'll PM the Mod and see if they were lenient enough to count it or not.

And I'll be back on Sunday. Hope that helped.

[Zar]

Day 1, Votecount 14 aka End of Day Votecount

Captain Ajax (7) - hitogoroshi, Quilford, DeasVail, BBMolla, T-Bone, MagnaofIllusion, Magua

theamatuer (3) - Kublai Khan, The Fonz, Captain Ajax
Magua (1) - xRECKONERx
BBmolla (2) - theamatuer, Zar

Not voting

(0) :

No one

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

21st of May at 11:50pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-05-21 23:50:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: Deadline passed

Anyone who has been awarded a scummie will now be informed. Flavour and flip to come a bit later

Going to take over the first group of people least likely to be cleared, those outside of the Ajax lynch.

Kublai Khan, Fonz, Reck, theam, Zar.

Fonz is dead,

so that leaves:

Kublai Khan, XReckonerX, theamatuer, Zar.

:/

[Zar]

First thing's first.

RECKONER.

#93 Feels like a townish response. Self-righteous I'M EVER SO WISE tone enforces my belief. I hardly see a point on Reck-Scum trying to draw attention starting a mechanic speculation battle over something that could come bite his ass.
#96 Same as 93.
#122, #137, #142 positive give me positive feelings, still trying to get people to react.
#234 brings a valid point to KK's accusation of Reck. Also, why didn't KK vote Reck if he thought he scumslipped?

I feel like Reck-scum would have little motivation to build town cred by coming back while announcing limited access to catch up and drop questions, as he doesn't have a single vote on his head and he's not suspected.

CONCLUSION: Overall, I hate Reck's condescending attitude, but I don't think his intentions come from scum. Probably Town.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, Votecount 2

Magua (1) - DeasVail

Not voting

(10): xRECKONERx, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla, Kublai Khan, Magua, Quilford, T-Bone, theamatuer, Zar, hitogoroshi

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

June 3rd at 4:01pm (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-06-03 16:01:00)

Countdown to the end of First Half Judging

: (expired on 2012-05-24 16:01:00)

[Kublai Khan]

Group 1C – KK, BBMolla, DeaVail

Confirming this.

I'll post content tomorrow after I re-read the game, including answers to any questions I haven't answered yet. I died in my one of my games, so that free'd up some mental RAM.

[DeasVail]

What do people think of theam pretty much ignoring Ajax and the wagon on him?

[theamatuer]

Have I done so?

[DeasVail]

Until asking him to claim, yes.

[Zar]

What do people think of theam pretty much ignoring Ajax and the wagon on him?

Currently going over theamatuer's posts, I am more interested in the reasons to which didn't respond to Fonz's remark in #108. Fonz's death + Ajax's flip make theam look bad.

[Zar]

theamatuer:

- #45 While it is a valid point, it isn't aligment telling.

- #88 Never explains how he finds Quilford is buddying DV.

- #216 is deflective. Throwing attention at Reck rather than defending.

- #219 attacks Molla for attacking KK.

- #238 is a response to Ajax's #194, in which he's being voted by Ajax for minimum content. Could be distancing.

- I think the most suspicious thing I find in theamatuer with the Ajax flip is #279: asking for a claim + #310, the follow-up questioning. It's fairly evident from the rules how the scummies worked and how the granting took place.

Now that I think about it, it would make a lot of sense considering #151:

It was fifth, If I remember correctly. Can't check right now.
I like playing as Scum, but I'm not very good at it.

VOTE: theamatuer

[theamatuer]

Actually I was trying to discern something else from Ajax's response. And being an idiot who doesn't read the rules != scum. Not like it applies to me

[Quilford]

I'm up for lynching Zar or Magua.

[Magua]

Zar, why do you post Reckoner and theamatuer reads but no Kublai Khan reads?

[Zar]

Actually, I'm an idiot. There's no way Ajax would have wanted a scum
Competing wagon to go with him.

UNVOTE

[xRECKONERx]

Was this the game where KK said he thought I scum slipped? I think it was. Still waiting on THAT explanation, KK.

GROUP 1A

Reck voted BBmolla.
Quilford voted hito.
MoI voted hito.
T-Bone voted Zar.

And yet... apparently, Best Newbie was given out to

The Fonz

. It now seems pretty likely that mafia have some kind of vote manipulation ability. Ajax was in our group, the other FOUR of us didn't vote for Fonz, and Fonz winds up with the award AND winds up getting shot N1? I swear to god if scum just get to go TROLOLOLOLOL and pick whoever the fuck they want to receive abilities I'm going to rage after this game. Zar is taking the easy way out by solely analyzing the off-wagon players without even considering the option of bussing.

I'll be right back.

[theamatuer]

@recks. I think scum have an ability to change the target one 1 award, but they can't choose themselves. That would explain why they'd move it to fonz and have him killed IMO.

[xRECKONERx]

So, potential counterwagons and their pursuers:

Quilford: BBmolla, Reck, theam
Gaoth: T-Bone, Zar, BBmolla, Reck

theamateur:

KK, The Fonz, Ajax, Magua

The reason I bolded theamateur's wagon is because it reeks of a last ditch effort to counterwagon and save scum. Theam was the biggest, fastest alternate wagon to Ajax in the final moments of D1. Ajax was obviously on that wagon, and The Fonz is fucking

dead

, which leaves Magua + KK. The Fonz kill was obviously done to kill the Best Newbie award holder, so that's kind of null, but I refuse to believe Ajax didn't have at least one of his buddies helping him out.

The Gaoth wagoners I'm not taking as seriously because it was more of a pressure wagon, and the Quilford wagon was an early game wagon where I believe I was 100% wrong and was just reading his posts in the wrong way.

To summarize:

Town

theamateur (counterwagon to scum lynch)
Quilford (I need to go back and find the specific post that changed my mind)
hito (never given me a reason to think otherwise)

Scum

Kublai Khan (theam counterwagon; saying I scumslipped then ignoring it the entire fucking game)
Magua (theam counterwagon; passive defense of Ajax D1)

Everyone else falls into some shade of "null" and I'm willing to back off of MoI for awhile because everyone thinks I'm fucking insane and Fate has threatened to drive to my house and torch it if I don't stop letting the hate blinders take over (pretty much direct quote) and he's insane enough to fucking do it

[xRECKONERx]

@recks. I think scum have an ability to change the target one 1 award, but they can't choose themselves. That would explain why they'd move it to fonz and have him killed IMO.

Well then that begs the question:

why Fonz

? If they have to switch the award recipient, then kill, scum are pretty much looking at determining "Okay, we're going to kill XXX, so let's switch Best Newbie to him and kill two birds with one stone." Then I don't know WHY Fonz was such a threat to them.

I know BAWWWWWWWWWWW NK WIFOM DONT DISCUSS ETC but fuck you I'm doing it anyway.