Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

1.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

unvote

no need for a quick lynch yet

So you unvoted to make sure Xalxe doesn't get quick lynched?

Only problem with that is your vote was on Fritzler, who had only two votes, so Xalxe is still at L-1, even though your post tried to make it seem like it wasn't.

My RVS vote on you is now a real one.

Shit... I honestly thought I was voting Xalxe... That's why I unvoted.

Do you honestly think that I have the capacity to do that Saul? You've played with me before when I was scum.

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.2

Xalxe

(5) -

Mortontfrh,

Chimera, vijay2vasandani, Cogito Ergo Sum, Glork, Fritzler

Guy_Named_Riggs

(2) - Xalxe, saulres

Fritzler

(2) -

Guy_Named_Riggs,

Shadoweh, Mortontfrh

Glork

(1) - scotmany12

Cogito Ergo Sum

(0) -

Fritzler

Not voting

(2) - izakthegoomba,

Shadoweh,

Guy_Named_Riggs


izakthegoomba is V/LA until tonight.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is June 2 at 1:30 AM GMT (DST). Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2012-06-02 01:30:00)

[saulres]

LOL

Yeah, okay, you keep your thoughts inside your head so I can't point out where you're wrong, or agree with any lynches you suggest in the future.

I'm getting Magician Mafia flashbacks...

pedit: The capacity to try something sneaky? Yes, I think you've probably grown as a player since I played with you in that game when you were newbie scum.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

I guess everyone has the capacity to be sneaky when it works so that was a pointless argument...

CES, care to explain what post 50 means?

[saulres]

It's a response to my first question in 49.

You'll notice there's no response to my second question.

[izakthegoomba]

/egosearch

Catchup time.

[Shadoweh]

Saul: Do you think CES is scum? If not why bother arguing with him?

I changed my mind almost immediately after reading post 37. Get me as far away from that as possible.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Mortontfrh

Why would you assume it was sarcastic when you knew it was an L-1 vote? The context explains itself. There isn't such a thing as 'normal behaviour' anyways. Especially with the tone of the 'request'. Do you have something against Xalxe dying here?

Also your post right after goes from suspecting to pleasantly chatting with your suspect like you're at a tea party. "Oh why do you suspect me Mr. Guy I so want to understand. :<"

Everyone else: Would you lynch this without a claim y/n? Saul why do you sound like you like this guy?

[Mortontfrh]

Why would you assume it was sarcastic when you knew it was an L-1 vote?

Because we're on page 2, and it's far to early to actually be asking for a serious claim.

Do you have something against Xalxe dying here?

Absolutely. I don't think I would be comfortable with anyone ever dying this early in the game. Some of the players in this game haven't even made a post outside of the RVS stage.

Also your post right after goes from suspecting to pleasantly chatting with your suspect like you're at a tea party

You're saying that I can't suspect someone while trying to be nice to them? I try to be as nice as possible, and Fritzer felt like I was being an asshole which isn't something that I am comfortable being perceived as. Are you saying it's scummy for me to try to be nice?

[Shadoweh]

So.. you decided it was too early because.. you say it's too early? Have you considered that other people think differently from you and you need to interpret their own tones instead of reading their post blindly?

Admittedly I agree that it's too early to claim and lynch. Mrr I hate it when people have to be reasonable.

You probably shouldn't be being nice to someone you think is a bad guy. It comes off as too how you say, sneaky?

[Mortontfrh]

So.. you decided it was too early because.. you say it's too early? Have you considered that other people think differently from you and you need to interpret their own tones instead of reading their post blindly?

I don't think I read his post blindly at all. Tone is hard to convey over the internet, and in a post like Fritz #26 that doesn't have much content it's hard to tell whether he is being serious or not. People like to mess around during the RVS, so I don't think it's that obscure for me to interpret his request for a claim as being sarcastic.

[Glork]

Do you have something against Xalxe dying here?

If you're implying a Mon-Xalxe connection, why not just lynch Xalxe now and Mon next?

[Glork]

*Mor, not Mon.

[saulres]

Saul: Do you think CES is scum? If not why bother arguing with him?

I don't know his alignment, but I will argue with

anyone

who doesn't put a reason down for their vote (except during RVS). Even if I were, say a cop with an innocent on PlayerX, and PlayerX posted "Vote: PlayerY" without reasoning, I would still ask PlayerX for their reasoning. Sometimes (often?) other players see things I don't, so if they're trying to convince me that the player they're voting for is scum, I can't always do that because I don't see the same things they did. That's why I ask them why -- if they have a convincing argument, they might convince me.

Note that if I do see an argument against someone, I will vote for them, but I will also explain my reasoning for doing so. As I did when I "moved" my RVS vote on GNR to a real one.

Saul why do you sound like you like this guy?

Which guy, Xalxe? I like him personally, which has nothing to do with this game. If he's scum I'll vote for him, if he's town I won't, but I have no way of knowing which as there are absolutely no arguments presented against him and I don't see any of his behavior as scummy.

[Shadoweh]

No, I mean Morton.

Connections can't exist if you lynch before they can develop. I don't think cutting the day short is a good idea.

[saulres]

Oh. Well, I don't think I like Morton, or don't like him. No reason to or not to. But I did agree with what he said in 58, at least insofar as saying he saw no reason why he was called an asshole.

Meanwhile, I don't want to see a lynch until at least vijay's answered the questions waiting for him, and Chimera and izak put in some sort of contribution. Hopefully activity will pick up during the week.

[saulres]

until at least vijay's answered the questions waiting for him

Or, y'know, until he's the one lynched. He has 21 posts elsewhere since his last one here, and that's been a reliable scumtell for me.

Vote: vijay

[vijay2vasandani]

Um you do realise I'm playing about 9 other games and some of them are at LyLo? Anyway what questions? I'd go back and read but if somebody could be a dear and repost them I will be eternally grateful. On 1% battery atm XD

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ignore the questions and just vote for Xalxescum.

pedit: The capacity to try something sneaky? Yes, I think you've probably grown as a player since I played with you in that game when you were newbie scum.

Capacity? Probably. Inclination is a more interesting story.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

EBWOP: keep voting for Xalxescum

[izakthegoomba]

Xalxe is null. He normally looks like that D1.

CES is annoying as hell.

vijay could be scum.

saulres could be scum.

Fritzler looks null for the most part, but after this...

Also, why are you such a total asshole?

FOS

Blatant hypocrisy.

VOTE: Fritzler

[izakthegoomba]

Also, his vote on Xalxe is opportunistic and terrible.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hypocrisy is a null tell. And his vote for Xalxe is the stuff dreams are made of.

[vijay2vasandani]

WHEEEE WAGON

Mission accomplished.

vijay

: Are you aware that was the

third

vote?

CES

: Are you aware that was the

third

vote? Why didn't you say anything besides the vote?

itt Xalxe doesn't count.

But boring? Oh my cult leader, how far you have fallen to be thought of as "boring".

vijay, why did you grow Xalxe's wagon? Feels opportunistic.

Glork, your vote might make some sense in a closed setup, but I don't see what you're aiming for in this game by bringing Xalxe to L-2.

Is this your question? If so, I felt like it. Xalxe's comment reminded me of the time he said people with win-loss statistics have self-esteem issues. I just found it funny and i voted him. However him reacting that way (not being able to count) and 29 make me satisfied with my vote.

Actually I'll ask him this. What exactly did you hope to achieve by asking me and whoever it was if we knew we were the xth vote on you?

[Chimera]

I'm already confused. This is bad.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fritzler I'm agreeing with izak and morton...no reason to push for claim. So far that's the strongest feeling I'm getting from anyone...