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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:39 pm

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Also, very interesting that LLD had a named out of towner, through me for a loop.
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Chad Ochocinco
– Patriots Wide Receiver – Post Restriction – Chad Ochocinco is one of the most influential players in the NFL. He will influence his league member to say “child, please” in every single post he or she makes, like Andre at the Las Vegas draft. If he or she forgets, (s)he may correct in an EBWOP directly following the offending post. Failure to do so will result in a warning. Upon the fourth warning, the league member will be modkilled.

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Matt Forte
– Bears Running Back – Doctor – Matt Forte is a generous guy. He visits a league member each night; if they are admitted to the hospital, he cheers them so much that they recover.

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Antonio Gates
– Chargers Tight End – Jack of All Trades – Antonio Gates is multi-talented; he saw success in both basketball and football in college, and professionally, is a versatile tight end for the Chargers. Ruxin was mad at Gates for scoring too many points because of how varied and successful Gates’ play is. Gates possesses the following abilities:

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Get To The Line
– 1-Shot Cop: Gates can review footage to see if a league member committed a foul. He may investigate his target to receive a result of “innocent” or “guilty.”

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Eye on The Ball
– 1-Shot Tracker: Gates is an excellent receiver and made his mark by becoming Drew Brees’ favorite target. He doesn’t take his eyes off the football, which gave him the skills to track a sketchy opponent if necessary. He may track a football player once.

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Man Up
– 1-Shot Injury Proof: Gates doesn’t typically take time off when he is injured, but instead suffers through it, even if it affects his play. The first time he would have been injured, he continues to play anyway.

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Josh Cribbs
– Browns Kick Return Specialist – 2-Shot Vigilante – Ruxin once tried to get Josh Cribbs to score two touchdowns by manipulating him with a child terminal cancer patient. Cribbs might not like Ruxin, but he will score two touchdowns anyway … just not in that particular game. Josh Cribbs may attempt to kill a league member once per night for a total of two attempts.

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Terrell Sugg
s – Ravens Linebacker – Roleblocker – Just like Terrell Suggs showed up just in time to ruin Ruxin’s plan with Josh Cribbs, he is the consummate interrupter professionally. In college, he set the school-wide record for tackles for losses and his career hasn’t slowed down since; he has received countless honors for his 2011 NFL season, including the AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Each night, he can target a league member and block all of his outgoing actions, including directions sent to football players’ on the target’s team.

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Maurice Jones-Drew
– Jaguars Running Back – Macho 2-Shot Non-Consecutive Hider – Maurice Jones-Drew is a powerhouse running back best known for his elusiveness. He can juke around players and slip out of sight and never be caught. He’s the most valuable player on his team and carries the whole team on his back, so he’s not the one being protected. Maurice Jones-Drew can hide behind a league member up to two times, but not on consecutive nights. When MoJo hides, all abilities that target him or his league member will fail.

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Brent Grimes
– Falcons Cornerback – 1-Shot Jailkeeper – Grimes is a good cornerback and can execute a quarterback containment play perfectly. He can target a league member and that player will be jailkept for the night; the target will be unable to relay orders to his team and will be protected from one nightkill.

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Sidney Rice
– Seahawks Wide Receiver – On The Bench – Sidney Rice is a great player and played in the 2009 pro bowl… But he’s a receiver, the most injury-prone position. On top of that, he seems to have a penchant for taking hits. He’s currently on the Injured Reserve list and can’t help anyone out. Sorry!

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Plaxico Burress
– Jets Wide Receiver – Paranoid Gun Owner – Pete once fooled Andre into putting Plaxico Burres onto his team in a trade rape. Burress has a gun, but doesn’t know how to use it without shooting himself. A related mishap landed him in jail, which was the reason Andre got boned. If a football player(s) targets Burress or his league member at night, Burress will shoot the football player, injuring him permanently. If another league member targets Burress or Burress’ league member, Burress will shoot the visiting League Member, killing him. If the visiting league member kills Burress’ league member, Burress will kill both league members and himself.

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Ronnie Brown
– Eagles Running Back – 1-Shot Watcher – Pete once trade raped Andre intro trading him Ronnie Brown. Ronnie Brown is famous for being featured in the wildcat formation, where he has to take a shotgun snap. In a shotgun snap, the player can’t take his eyes off the ball in preparation for the snap but also has to know where the blitz is coming from. By perfecting this play, Ronnie Brown perfected his ability to watch everything around him. He will be informed which league members or football players visit his chosen target, if any. However, Ronnie Brown is injury prone. As soon as he makes his move, he will be injured and no longer able to play.

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Patrick Willis
– 49ers Linebacker – Jack Of All Trades – Middle linebackers like Patrick Willis are sometimes called “jacks of all trades.” Patrick Willis possesses the following abilities:

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Blitz
– 1-Shot RB – Blitz once to block any football player for the night.

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Cover
– 1-Shot Self-Watch – Willis falls back to cover any receivers and must keep an eye on the field, especially himself. He watches league member and his entire team for one night and will be informed of any visits by league members or football players.

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– 1-Shot Cop – Willis can perform a quarterback spy to investigate one quarterback in play. Willis will receive the result of “innocent” or “guilty,” as pertains to the quarterback’s league member.

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Jerod Mayo
– Patriots Linebacker – Quarterback Role Cop – One of a linebacker’s most important plays is a quarterback spy. Mayo can spy on any quarterbacks currently in play (one per night) in order to learn his role.

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Arian Foster
– Texans Running Back – Team Lightning Rod – Sporting News called Foster “the most interesting man in the NFL.” All actions aimed at anyone on Foster’s team are redirected to Foster. (In other words, any actions targeting Foster’s league member or any other football player on his or her team will instead be used on Foster.) Due to his famous “Namaste,” in which he blessed his league member, Arian Foster himself will die in place of his league member if action resolution would have led to death.

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Cameron Jordan
– Saints Defensive End – 1-Shot Bounty Hunter – Cameron Jordan is now the defensive end for the Saints. Remember what happened to the old defensive end, Bobby McCray? He was fined for injuring Brett Favre in part of what was a huge NFL scandal called the “bounty scandal” or “Bountygate” in which the Saints were punished for paying players to injure opposing players. Even though the incentive program might be over officially, the Saints still have a certain way of playing. During any night, Jordan may permanently injure another player.

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Adrian Peterson
– Vikings Running Back – Purple Jesus – Adrian Peterson is known by the nickname “Purple Jesus.” Jesus can’t be a bad guy, right? Peterson’s league member will return “innocent” to all relevant investigations.

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Aaron Rodgers
– Packers Quarterback – Neighborizer – Aaron Rodgers was 2011’s AP Male Athlete of the Year and the Superbowl MVP. Everyone wants Aaron Rodgers on their team, despite his humble community college beginnings. You may open a QT each night to discuss possible trades with another league member.

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Ben Roethlisberger
– Steelers Quarterback – 2-Shot Voyeur – Big Ben might be a decorated athlete for the successful Pittsburgh Steelers, but he’s also known as “Rapelsberger.” “Voyeur” is probably too kind of a name for him, but nevertheless, Big Ben may spy twice (the number of his rape accusations). Ben will spy on a league member to learn what sorts of actions, if any, were performed on him or her.

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Michael Vick
– Eagles Quarterback – Bodyguard – Despite his legal and financial troubles that have earned him notoriety in recent years, Michael Vick overcame a difficult childhood and a dark past to become the 2010 NFL Comeback Player of the Year. In 2009, his teammates unanimously chose him for the Ed Block Courage Award, which recognizes commitment to the principles of courage and sportsmanship. These principles extend beyond the sports field; Vick provides for his entire family and many friends, and is active in several charities. If Vick thinks a player might come to harm unjustly, he can take any hits that might come that player’s way. However, if he does so, he will become injured and unable to act further.

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Tim Tebow
– Jets Quarterback – Priest – Tim Tebow is a successful, but controversial, quarterback for the Jets. His religious devotion has been the cause of a lot of praise, criticism, and contention. The NCAA even instituted a rule about not putting messages in black eye paint. This rule is unofficially dubbed “The Tebow Rule,” as most people believe it was designed particularly to stop Tebow from writing Bible verses in his eye paint. This commitment to getting his message across has carried into his professional career; “Tebowing” is now a term for kneeling and praying. Tebow’s piousness rivals that of a priest, and as such, any league member with Tebow on his or her team cannot cast a hammer vote. Hammer votes will simply not count.

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Rob Gronkowski
– Patriots Tight End – Neighbor – Gronkowski is a successful tight end for the Patriots. He is the first tight end in history to lead the NFL in receiving touchdowns for a whole season. Notably, he is part of “The Boston TE Party,” a special relationship between himself and fellow tight end Aaron Hernandez. Gronkowski and Hernandez were the only tight ends on the Patriots roster in 2011 and worked extremely well together. If any other league member drafts Aaron Hernandez at any time, he or she will be in a neighborhood with the league member that drafted Rob Gronkowski.

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Aaron Hernandez
– Patriots Tight End – Neighbor – Hernandez is a successful tight end for the Patriots. Notably, he is part of “The Boston TE Party,” a special relationship between himself and fellow tight end Rob Gronkowski. Gronkowski and Hernandez were the only tight ends on the Patriots roster in 2011 and worked extremely well together. If any other league member drafts Rob Gronkowski at any time, he or she will be in a neighborhood with the league member that drafted Aaron Hernandez.

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Sebastian Janikowski
– Raiders Kicker – 2-Shot Percentage Follower – Janikowski is nicknamed The Polish Cannon and is the highest paid placekicker in NFL history. He has a high accuracy rating; his highest is 89.7 (26 out of 29). Therefore, Janikowski has two chances to “kick,” each with an 89.7% success rate. If successful, Janikowski may target a league member OR football player to learn what action he or she performed, if any, but not the targets of said action(s). If Janikowski targets a league member, he will not learn the actions of the league member’s team.

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(NOTE: I accidentally sent FuDuzn "track" results on Night 1, so I changed this to 2-shot Percentage Tracker. I was so mad at myself about this error, but it doesn't make much difference, balance-wise. I realized almost immediately and tried to change the pm, but he'd already read it.)

Calvin Johnson
– Lions Wide Receiver – 1-Shot Saboteur – Calvin Johnson, a highly paid wide receiver, is particularly athletic, which has earned him the name of “Megatron.” Like Megatron, Johnson can transform into a gun for his league member to yield. The gun can only be aimed at football players, and, if successful, will injure the football player permanently. Johnson can only transform once.

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Ray Rice
– Ravens Running Back – 1-Shot Gunsmith – Ray Rice, now a successful running back for the Baltimore Ravens, was not always so lucky. When he was only one year old, his father was killed in a drive by shooting. To avenge his father, he can check one league member for the presence of a gun.

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Cam Newton
– Panthers Quarterback – Miller – Cam Newton won the Heisman, a championship, and was the first overall draft pick in the same year, one of only three to do so in NFL History. However, there was a controversy regarding his eligibility in college. His father demanded money from schools in order for Newton to play there; however, there was no evidence that either Cam or Cam’s current school were aware of the solicitation, and no evidence that Newton’s father actually received any money, so Newton remained eligible and went on to win the Heisman by a landslide. Still, the taint imposed on him by his father will never quite go away. When a league member drafts Cam Newton, he or she will appear as “guilty” to relevant investigations, regardless of actual guilt.

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Reggie Wayne
– Colts Wide Receiver – Jelly Without Peanut Butter – Reggie Wayne, despite being skilled, has been largely ineffectual since Peyton Manning was injured and consequently transferred to the Broncos. In light of this, Wayne won’t do much for any team he’s on. Sorry!

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Drew Brees
– Saints Quarterback – Negotiator – Drew Brees just got his Franchise Tag, so he’s sure to play, right? Right? Wrong! Drew Brees is holding out for a longer contract and refuses to play. Sorry!

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Peyton Manning
– Broncos Quarterback – Bulletproof Post Restriction – Peyton Manning has had a long career, and even when dropped by his long-time team, the Colts, he still got a contract with the Broncos. He is well-known for his quirky play calling. Manning’s league member will be immune to kills, but must adhere to the following post restriction. Every sentence of every post by Manning’s league member must contain at least one of the following words: ain, apple, bacon, black, blue, bonanza, brown, buffalo, chili, chocolate, dice, disco, dumbo, Florida, gorilla, green light, hot sauce, ice cream, Japan, José, orange, ox, pickle, purple, Richmond, river, Sally, scat, slug, soul train, taco, tornado, tree, Xbox, yoyo. The tense or pluralization of any of the words may be changed. For example, “gorilla” may become “gorillas” and “pickle” may become “pickled,” but “disco” may not become “discoing.” If any sentence is missing one of these words, the league member will receive a warning. If (s)he exceeds three warnings per game day, (s)he will be modkilled.

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Glen Coffee
– 49ers Running Back – Demotivational Speaker – Glen Coffee had an impressive rookie season, but retired in order to go back to school because “God wants him to take another path.” Apparently, that path is getting arrested and being a “self-employed motivational speaker.” Many thought he had a promising career in the works, but it didn’t work out. Sorry!

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Vincent Jackson
– Buccaneers Wide Receiver – Roster Exempt – In 2010, Vincent Jackson refused to sign the Chargers’ one-year contract. He held out for so long that he skipped training, and when he finally signed, he signed at a much lower tender and had to serve six games of penalty. Despite his skill, he is Roster Exempt for now. Sorry!

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Fred Jackson
– Bills Running Back – On The Bench – 2011 was shaping up to be Fred Jackson’s best season yet – until he fractured his fibula. Before this injury, he had never missed any time in his professional career, but there’s a first time for everything. He’s on the Injured Reserve list. Sorry!

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Jamaal Charles
– Chiefs Running Back – On The Bench – Charles is a talented running back … when he’s playing. He injured his ACL in week 2 of the 2011 season and is on the Injured Reserve list. Sorry!

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Ryan Mathews
– Chargers Running Back – Robbed by the Kool-Aid Man – Matthews is a promising young running back, but between Mike Tolbert stealing carries and Mathews’ fumble/injury problems, he hasn't quite yet turned into a star. He’s not going to anytime soon. Sorry!

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Chris Johnson
– Titans Running Back – CJ2Lame – Despite being the NFL's rushing leader in 2010 and the fastest guy in the NFL, he was pretty ineffective in 2011. He’s going to continue underperforming. Sorry!

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Michael Bush
– Bears Running Back – Backup – Michael Bush is a good running back in his own right, but he always seems to be backup to a star. Bush will get the ability of the first football player injured for the duration of his injury. This will only happen once.

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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:40 pm

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it was a calculated risk. Nocmen KNEW I was scum and I thought he was trying to ward off the nightkill by claiming PGO

there was NO FUCKING WAY a priest scum who couldn't use activated player abilities was pushing through the number of mislynches I needed. Not with this playerlist.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:45 pm

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Honestly, I reduced you in my scum list a bit after you were shown to be a priest.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:45 pm

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You forgot the 12$ in hats again. Outraged.

I also was very proud of my team. It takes talent to pick up that many VT's. And a Godfather.

I asked if I could carve them into one real football player like Voltron and was told no. :(
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:48 pm

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Nocmen wrote:Honestly, I reduced you in my scum list a bit after you were shown to be a priest.

Really? He shot up my list with the claim (particularly that it was his ability, not a player ability).
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:49 pm

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yeah I was fucked. drastic actions needed to be taken. my list was nocmen, then glrok then fuduzn then dddp
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:50 pm

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By the way, this may be the only game I ever get to play in which I can truthfully claim to be a Protown Bulletproof Vigilante.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:51 pm

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this is probably the only time I will ever be a goddamn scum priest
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:52 pm

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Untrod Tripod wrote:it was a calculated risk. Nocmen KNEW I was scum and I thought he was trying to ward off the nightkill by claiming PGO

there was NO FUCKING WAY a priest scum who couldn't use activated player abilities was pushing through the number of mislynches I needed. Not with this playerlist.


You were left in a pretty difficult position. I was feeling for you.


My thoughts: I enjoyed designing this game SO MUCH, and seeing it play out was exciting the whole time. Big thanks to Mastermind of Sin and Vi, who really helped me out with this. It's the most complicated game I've run, and I learned a lot through doing it.

By its nature, it was very swingy, and I warned people of this before signing up. I wanted the game to be fun and entertaining, which is why I pushed for people into the flavor who would find it funny that Taco couldn't manage his team or that Andre wasn't a real doctor. There were many iterations of this game that were overwhelmingly town or scum sided, but most fell somewhere in the middle. The iteration that ended up playing out was a little town-sided.

The basic idea of this set-up I really loved seeing in action: people bidding on powers they don't know are good or bad. What I wanted to do was have the mystery of not knowing what you were bidding for, but without the crap shoot of something like 100 Boxes. There were lots of strategies employed in bidding - some successful, and some unsuccessful. Some people bid only on players from teams they liked. Some people bid on players that were notorious, thinking the power roles would come from there (closer to being correct), and some people bid exclusively on very good players, thinking the roles would be based on that (mostly incorrect). Some people just tried to snipe lower ranked players. I really liked seeing the different strategies.

This basic concept is, I think, applicable to many different games, and it was this mechanic that inspired the game. In essence, this was a game of WIFOM, and I loved seeing it happen.

I was hoping for more WIFOM to come up in the day play, but it didn't really happen that way. LLD was doubted for having an out of place claim, but not lynched. PeregrineV was never discovered having more money than usual. Glork was never questioned for being a bulletproof vig role cop. Locke Lamora was never caught out for being the only player with what he thought was a more standard role (doctor) - and he was, of course, naive, though he had no idea.

I welcome criticism and thoughts on the design and modding. Overall, though, I hope everyone enjoyed themselves.

p-edit: Yes, seeing the combinations like "scum priest" and "bp vig" were priceless and basically made running this game worth it for me.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:53 pm

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Oh, btw, here were the bidding spreadsheets:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... HM5N05GTnc
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:57 pm

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I had a lot of fun this game and this is more friendly ribbing but:

The iteration that ended up playing out was a little town-sided.


In what world is Glork getting BP Vig a
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:58 pm

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Well, that originally belonged to kdowns. >.>

But, hahahaha, yeah, that was pretty crazy. However, if mikehart had not been lynched, it would have been simple for scum to kill him.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:59 pm

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Also: words cannot express my mirth at the backup inheriting the child, please post restriction.

Also, I think the Peyton Manning post restriction was a work of art and I am so proud of it.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 4:59 pm

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Ya'll are welcome for me handing you scum on a silver platter on D1 and breaking this entire game open from the word go. Conversely I almost never would've lynched UT, so it was good he decided to kill himself for us otherwise it might's been a long, ugly fight.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:00 pm

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Keeping going with the post restriction made me happy. Thanks, DDDP.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:01 pm

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SpyreX wrote:I had a lot of fun this game and this is more friendly ribbing but:

The iteration that ended up playing out was a little town-sided.


In what world is Glork getting BP Vig a
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In all fairness, the only shot I took was at a protown player. I have *always* maintained that Vigilante can be as dangerous to the town as it is to scum. Even Glork is wrong about people and tries to shoot them dead from time to time. <.<


I feel like the game was basically impossible to balance. Though there was a degree of post-draft role manipulation, the initial "setup" was based entirely on a set of randomly drafted abilities, which wound up favoring the town fairly heavily, in my humble opinion.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:05 pm

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Amrun wrote:Keeping going with the post restriction made me happy. Thanks, DDDP.


It came and went once it was optional, but as Vi can attest, I was annoyed when it was taken away from me.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:07 pm

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Drew Brees was dissapoint in the draft
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:08 pm

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I feel like the game was basically impossible to balance. Though there was a degree of post-draft role manipulation, the initial "setup" was based entirely on a set of randomly drafted abilities, which wound up favoring the town fairly heavily, in my humble opinion.


Yes, it was basically impossible to balance, which is why my warning for the game made sure to mention swinginess. I wanted to decrease swing as much as I could. One way of doing this was the injury mechanic; another was allowing scum to transfer money; another was allowing only one football player action per night. Still, nothing could take swing out of an inherently swingy mechanic, which is why I emphasized fun over balance.

p-edit: Hahaha, I know. He went for so high and it was delicious to watch.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2012 5:08 pm

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Still, though, in the end, scum was defeated through strong day play, not roles.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:23 am

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87% and Janikowski still failed? Well at least it didn't matter in the end.

Also glad that following mikehart was the right move.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:58 am

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I played terrible. Congrats to the town Nice mechanic.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 1:40 pm

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Well this was interesting for me. I had 5 people listed as scum day one. I had 3 scum all on my list, which makes me happy.
Glork and LLD was bad. Glork and the hydra made glork on my scum list.
Elmo was the other one I was wrong about.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 1:55 pm

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I thought Elmo was the scummiest of them all, I am glad I didn't have a vig power. You really thought Glork was scum though? He was at the top of my town list.
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