D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Slandaar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Briz

gogo

[4nxi3ty]

I don't think blaster shots show up for watches. Think, for a moment, what that could do to a game. Watcher watches obvious blaster target night 1, has the majority of townies confirmed to him. PoE wins the game for town.

hmm okay.

two attempts at derailing a nexus wagon:

OK, I admit that I suck... But obviously Slan becoming conftown screwed up my main scum read and the big post I was preparing to further explain that read... so... I guess the good thing is that he's scum's problem now...

Shmugen or Nexus should really be the lynch but there isnt much point voting Nexus when its a wagon noone wants

Never felt malees slot is town and dont see the point voting PV more interesting for VCA later

PV might be scum but as said the voters look bad -> BB/cow/shmu? do not want. Magna also liked that wagon so yeah, I dont think its great.

Your reason to not follow a waggon is because you "do not like" other people on that waggon? On D1? With no flips at all? This is bad and anti-town.

I wouldn't shed a tear for Nexus, but lynching him is pretty much just a lurker lynch and I don't think that's optimal play after an already way to stretched out D1...

this is still very much valid imo

unvote, vote: Nexus

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

BBmolla

- hasdgfas (L-6)

4nxi3ty

- WrathChild, LordChronos (L-5)

hasdgfas

- brizingre1, NeroCain, BBmolla (L-4)

Brizingre1

- shmugen, Luckyjt, Slandaar (L-4)

Nexus

- 4nxi3ty (L-6)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch

~Prodding you inactive losers.~

[LordChronos]

Working on some vote count analysis from D1 and D2. It's kind of tedious with this many people.

[Nero Cain]

We've already had a VCA by Slan. How will yours be different?

[hasdgfas]

We've already had a VCA by Slan. How will yours be different?

Because it's someone who's not Slandaar?

[WrathChild]

I agree on lucky

Nice prod dodge.

PS, I'm gonna drop my slip attack on Anxiety, not saying that he's town, but saying that I'm gonna concede that it was voided by the fact that it's multiball. That being said I need to take a re-read and see how needs some scrutiny.

[Shmugen]

The longer this day goes, the happier I am with my Briz vote.

The blaster mechanic hasn't been doing us a lot of good thusfar. Without a better idea of scumteam numbers it will be difficult to nail it down but we should draw a line where I get blastered so I'm not around for an endgame speedlynch.

[WrathChild]

The longer this day goes, the happier I am with my Briz vote.

The blaster mechanic hasn't been doing us a lot of good thusfar. Without a better idea of scumteam numbers it will be difficult to nail it down but we should draw a line where I get blastered so I'm not around for an endgame speedlynch.

I think with MoI gone the blaster mechanics may work out differently. I need to go back and check, but I seem to recall that there is a minimum number of shots for a kill and if they aren't all concentrated in one place, like they were with MoI, we may even miss an occasional blaster kill due to a spread consensus.

[Shmugen]

This is something that worries me and almost makes me want to be blastered sooner rather than later. Should scum have the option of blaster shots, they could skew the results. 3 is the minimum number of blaster shots required, if I recall correctly, though if we manage to pull this closer to endgame with less scum I could see DeathNote moving that number down.

[hasdgfas]

This is something that worries me and almost makes me want to be blastered sooner rather than later. Should scum have the option of blaster shots, they could skew the results. 3 is the minimum number of blaster shots required, if I recall correctly, though if we manage to pull this closer to endgame with less scum I could see DeathNote moving that number down.

I don't agree that he'll move it down, because my shot counts as 2. It's completely imbalanced if I can guarantee a blaster shot.

[Shmugen]

Like I said, I could see it, but that's all hypotheticals and don't change any game plans.

[Nero Cain]

I'm gonna concede that it was voided by the fact that it's multiball.

As I told Shumgen, 4nx could still be scum and make that same statement.

Nero is lazy, who are your current scum reads?

[BBmolla]

Checking in.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: brizingre

[LordChronos]

BB you dont think briz is scum?

Haven't really been noticing anything super scummy.

I'll give him a read.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: brizingre

Only mentions of briz all game from a skim of BB's ISO. (3 results for briz)

Do we have any particular reason to believe his Yoda claim?

Either way, BB, would you like to expound on that sudden reversal of your position? Or are you just opportunistically bandwagoning?

VCA is almost done, I should be able to post it some time tomorrow.

[BBmolla]

I'm bussing.

I'm unsure of the composition of my wagon. Brizingre's ISO doesn't seem town.

[LordChronos]

I'm bussing.

I'm unsure of the composition of my wagon. Brizingre's ISO doesn't seem town.

So, that would be a no, you don't have any reason for your change of mind. Prevaricating remarks about "his ISO doesn't seem town" do not constitute a reason.

Unvote; Vote: BBmolla

Also, your "wagon" consists of a grand total of two people besides you.

[brizingre1]

OK TOWN LET ME GUIDE YOU ALL

Vote Count

WrathChild-

Ooba

, NeroCain, 4nxi3ty,

MagnaofIllusion

(L-7)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1 (L-7)
BBmolla- Kdub (L-10)

ooba

-

splitfarvle

(L-10)

Slandaar

- shmugen,

Shadow Dancer

, Sword_of_omens, Nexus, Andrius (L-6)
Nexus-

Slandaar

(L-10)

MagnaofIllusion

-

syndromeofadown

(L-10)
hasdgfas-

PeregrineV

(L-10)

OK This VC is literally just before I claim.

So, we have 4 confirmed town off the main wagons.
2 People are not voting here, Iece and Drs slot (I think)

Therefore 6 confirmed town were not on the main wagons here. Only person not conf town who wasnt on a main wagon is kdub.
These wagons are full of scumbags

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1,

splitfarvle

,

Shadow Dancer

, Kdub,

MagnaofIllusion

, Shmugen,

Iecerint

, NeroCain

Final VC for Day 1.

So we can see, that in the last minute shenanigans, the 3 [BBmolla, Hascow and Briz] all stuck to their wagon of choice.

Riding me for as long as they've had the ability to vote

- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1, splitfarvle, Shadow Dancer
Best to compare their overall contribution as a ratio of time spent on me. Not just vote, but total discussion time. Out of 20 players, I should be 7% of the discussion, approximately. Even if each player narrows focus to only 5 others, I should be ~20% of the discussion. If I am 50% or more of their post totals, chances are they are scum who are tunneling so they don't have to actually scumhunt.

PV's analysis is pretty much what I have shown. Take out split, you have WC/BB/Hascow/Briz/SD(scum)

Remove WC, he actually started the wagon

BBmolla
Hascow
Briz

Lets look at Day 2;

16 players still in game;

Vote Count

WrathChild-

splitfarvle

, NeroCain (L-7)
BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas,

drmyshotgun

(L-6)

MagnaofIllusion

- WrathChild (L-8)
Nexus-

Iecerint

, 4nxi3ty, shmugen, BBmolla, Brizingre1 (L-4)

drmyshotgun

-

Slandaar

(L-8)

Iecerint

- swordofomens,

MagnaofIllusion

(L-7)

Vote Count

WrathChild- NeroCain (L-8)
BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)

MagnaofIllusion

- WrathChild,

drmyshotgun

,

splitfarvle

,

Slandaar

, shmugen (L-4)
Nexus-

Iecerint

, BBmolla, Brizingre1 (L-6)
swordofomens- 4nxi3ty (L-8)

splitfarvle

-

MagnaofIllusion

(L-8)

Say what you want, but in the period between these 2 VC's who moved their vote?
Dr/Split/Sland/Magna/Anx/Shmugen/Sword

Who Didnt?
NC/Kdub/Hascow/BB/Briz/WC/Iece

With 2 not voting... Andrius and Nexus

Vote Count

BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)
MagnaofIllusion- WrathChild,

drmyshotgun

,

splitfarvle

,

Slandaar

, shmugen, NeroCain (L-3)
Nexus-

Iecerint

, Brizingre1 (L-7)
shmugen- Nexus,

MagnaofIllusion

, 4nxi3ty, BBmolla (L-5)

WC still on Magna
Kdub still on BB
Briz still on Nexus
Cow still on BB
Andrius MIA

Hascow/BB/Briz/Andrius(sean)/Kdub/WC

Worst offenders by a mile;

Briz/Hascow/Sean

Lynch these 3

I dont understand. How does this make them scum?

You may think this is some weird way to scumhunt, but think about the lines the scum have taken, they are not looking for lynches early on, they have dragged days out, Magna lynch COULD have happened if scum wanted it, on day 1 wagons never got close to L-1 before deadline, why? scum votes were spread on the main wagons and not moving. Case in point Ooba on WC, SD on me. We know scum are sitting on their votes, so we lynch the people sitting on their votes.

Briz
Hascow
Sean

Pick one. Vote them.

Hm... so you think that I'm scum because I tried to draw out the day by sticking to my vote?
What would be the scum motivation in trying to drag out the day, anyway?
I'd call it being consistent with my reads.

On D1, I was hardly trying to drag out the day, Peregrine was the leading wagon most of the time.
And the post that you quoted for him, it says that they are likely to be scum if 'He is 50% more of their post totals'. Read my posts before and after voting him, he cropped up way less then the 50%.

And during the three VCs you showed on D2, I was basically lurking the whole way through/apologising for my inactivity. Read my posts in that time, I never said anything game related, let alone changed my vote.

I will claim if neccesary

Seanald

: answer the questions.

[brizingre1]

In fact, just to make it easier
These are all my posts between the 3 VCs in D2 that you quoted:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4008981
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4012844

[BBmolla]

I'm bussing.

I'm unsure of the composition of my wagon. Brizingre's ISO doesn't seem town.

So, that would be a no, you don't have any reason for your change of mind. Prevaricating remarks about "his ISO doesn't seem town" do not constitute a reason.

Unvote; Vote: BBmolla

Also, your "wagon" consists of a grand total of two people besides you.

*shrug*

At least lynching me will move this game along.

[Slandaar]

lynch briz/cow/sean

dont care which

[4nxi3ty]

the point I brought up against nexus is solid imo, why is it being ignored?

this is the second day I tried to get discussion going about association tells. Is there a good reason the scumflips aren't getting any attention?

[Nero Cain]

the point I brought up against nexus is solid imo, why is it being ignored?

this is the second day I tried to get discussion going about association tells. Is there a good reason the scumflips aren't getting any attention?

oh I'm just being hard headed. Shmugen has said so many stupid/derpy things that I have a very hard time beliving he's town. Ditto for Hascows lack of scumhunting. WC is still scum but I dunno why he's not lynched yet. And BB needs to hang me thinks. So maybe I'm wrong about those four. *shrugz*

but 4nx is right here so if there's support I'll switch over.

[Seanald]

Vote: Briz

you try to hard briz and your fucking annoying lollololol