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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:37 am

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CooLDoG wrote:huh? Didn't I say multipul times that you and UN are my two best scum reads? Yeah, I guess I did. Where have I abandoned that read?


You went on and on about me yesterday, but then appeared to forget about that case until Grey reminded you.

How can I push the most popular wagon when I am the one who started the wagon? And only two people are on "my" UN wagon? How is that a popular wagon by any definition of the term?


What are you talking about?

Great job on your glork read man. Why were you so wrong? Why are you back tracking from it now? Why do you feel the need to dissociated yourself from your glork read?


I said that Glork earned the scumread from me. How is that backtracking in ANY SENSE OF THE WORD? I'm saying he DESERVED MY SCUMREAD. How is that possibly "disassociating myself" from it?? Seriously.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:41 am

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What was your reasoning for the scum read on glork, again?
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:46 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:What was your reasoning for the scum read on glork, again?


A bunch of things, but what made me vote him was his refusal to explain why he was being inconsistent.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:22 am

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Delta #974 is good posting. At least in terms of him being town. OTOH I'm alive and Glork is dead. Hmmm.

MoI says that Jason has raised one of his most favoritest tells in #948 (the 'scum avoiding taking the initiative by asking townies to give them questions.' tell)

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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:50 am

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GreyICE wrote:Delta #974 is good posting. At least in terms of him being town. OTOH I'm alive and Glork is dead. Hmmm.


I just want to confirm that you are actually saying that CD is goodposting or if that's just a typo or something
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:51 am

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973 is goodposting.

974 is CooLDoG.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:57 am

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That's not me not taking the initiative, that's me not knowing what to do.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 5:04 am

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Captain Murasa wrote:@UN: You are scum because you had a terribly scummy D2 first post. It's full of speculation which you aren't doing anything with.

And before or after that there wasn't a damn bit of evidence hinting otherwise, right? :roll:

Captain Murasa wrote:Jason is scum because he's tunneling on me a lot. Plus he's using lots of circumstancial evidence and is twisting my words.

Ok, so, OMGUS.

Captain Murasa wrote:Delta is scum because gut combined with lots of discrediting of the attacks on him and also lurking.

Delta hasn't been lurking. And do you expect only scum to dismantle attacks against them? That's poor thinking.

Sigh. Captain Murasa... you confuse me.


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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 5:07 am

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I'll try and do it tomorrow. It's 2AM right now.

Also yeah Delta was hardcore lurking early D1. And scum would discredit attacks against them because it means they don't have to defend against it.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 5:14 am

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Um... Discrediting attacks against you
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 6:20 am

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@delta wait for a vote count and we will see about that popular wagon.

Captain could be scum. But I really really like UN/DW better. I'm not 100% apposed to a CM lynch, but really guys, just look at UN's last posts. Why don't we have votes on him?
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 7:03 am

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Captain Murasa wrote:Delta is scum because gut combined with lots of discrediting of the attacks on him and also lurking.



Yea, Delta is the 4th highest (alive) poster in this game... hardly lurking
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 7:04 am

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UberNinja wrote:Um... Discrediting attacks against you
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defending against it.


this, as town or scum any case on you that you that you try to defend is based on discrediting or proving wrong your attacker. It is null.

But let me ask you this, you have been trying repeatedly to discredit my case on you... does this, by your logic also make you in line with Delta?
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 7:19 am

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Uberninja(2): CooLDoG, Captain Murasa
Captain Murasa(2): jasonT1981, GreyICE
Mastermind of Sin(1): Porochaz
CooLDoG(1): DeltaWave

Not Voting: iamausername, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, Mastermind of Sin
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:19 am

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CooLDoG wrote:DW is still scum. UN is scum. Vote one of the two. Preferably UN for now. At least DW makes it look like he is posting content.

1. Posting "content" does not make one town

2. I have about four times the posts you do, buddy
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:20 am

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jasonT1981 wrote:
UberNinja wrote:Um... Discrediting attacks against you
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defending against it.


this, as town or scum any case on you that you that you try to defend is based on discrediting or proving wrong your attacker. It is null.

But let me ask you this, you have been trying repeatedly to discredit my case on you... does this, by your logic also make you in line with Delta?

I don't mind being grouped with Delta.

What's your case on me again? I don't really recall trying to refute it.
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:23 am

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UberNinja wrote:
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UberNinja wrote:Um... Discrediting attacks against you
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defending against it.


this, as town or scum any case on you that you that you try to defend is based on discrediting or proving wrong your attacker. It is null.

But let me ask you this, you have been trying repeatedly to discredit my case on you... does this, by your logic also make you in line with Delta?

I don't mind being grouped with Delta.

What's your case on me again? I don't really recall trying to refute it.



Sorry, I quoted you, in reply to Capt... but in continuing my statement I was aiming the comment at Capt Mauasa in the grouping with Delta. But the question is actually to Capt, not you. My mistake on that one, I should have made it clearer.
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:27 am

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Fair enough.

So, while we're here, do you think there's anything fishy with Porochaz/Mastermind of Sin?
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:51 am

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Spoiler: REREADIN
Post 22: This is still awful 'HO HO HO you have activated my trap card' bullshit from UberNinja.

Post 37: And this is still Image bullshit.

Post 38: DeltaWave's initial Haylen vote is bad as well. There's simply no explanation as to why the behaviour he attacks her for is in any way scum motivated.

Post 116: Townish post from PeregrineV. Scum would be a lot more likely to ask for elaboration on all townreads than picking out one in particular, I think. And in general, scum wouldn't particularly want attention drawn to towntells dropped by actual townies, which I at least know that 2/3 of the townreads in question are.

Post 117: Apparently not
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likely, though. This post does not sit well with me. Prozac seems to be carefully tiptoeing around actually accusing Grey of anything here.

Post 142: So basically, Slaxx's progression onto the Haylen wagon, going from voting UberNinja to doing an about face and voting Haylen as soon as Grey points out the incredible cognitive dissonance of Haylen trying to convince Grey he can't read her while voting him, it's not hard for me to see a town mindset behind this sequence, since it very nearly mirrors my own progression of thoughts on the matter exactly.

Post 147: ...the difference being that I wasn't convinced until Slaxx laid it out in this post.

Post 162: This post is decidedly uncharacteristic of the guy who made posts like 74 and 77, and seems like posturing for towncred.

Post 175: First of all, why the hell do people say 'rereading' when they actually mean 'reading'? If you haven't read it yet, you can't reread it!

Secondly, MoS, have you still not read the first 7 pages of the game? Just wondering.

Post 252: This is a pretty awesome point, actually.

Post 293: ...And Prozac's response really isn't.

Post 317: Some ridiculous hairsplitting about the meaning of the word 'null' from UberNinja. And I'm pretty sure Murasa is not the only person to have mentioned null reads in this game, and yet Uber has never spouted this nonsense at anyone else. I have a hard time believing that he actually believes what he's saying here.

Post 421: Really want to know why Prozac is so high up on the town reads in DeltaWave's list. It just doesn't seem to fit with the rest.

Post 430/431: Seriously cannot see these posts coming from scum. If he's scum, Slaxx already knows whether Delta's omission of MoS from his list is a meaningful slip, he's not going to get into a debate with his team about its significance. If he wanted to write it off, he'd just say "I don't think it means anything", he wouldn't say "that's a good catch" then five minutes later "oh but my teammate disagrees because the names were obviously copy/pasted". Way too convoluted to be anything but genuine.

Also he seems to have noticed the same thing I did about the WTF placement of Prozac in DeltaWave's list.

Post 434: This post also makes it unlikely that Slaxx (or Grey, or Jason) would have killed Glork. I mean, there'd be two other scum who might have very good reasons to want Glork dead, I guess, but it still points to townSlaxx to a certain degree.

Post 476: "Regarding Haylen (whether she's scum OR town) I'd expect scum to take a conflicting stance and not either be in favor of, or opposed to, the wagon." - was there anyone doing this? I think everyone took a pretty explicit stance either for or against the wagon.

Post 498: I'd like further expansion on this from DeltaWave. Glork and Slaxx's conversation made it pretty damn explicit that they were talking about a Delta/MoS pairing, and I don't see how he could have misinterpreted that.

Post 561: "Murasa, you're defending Haylen like they're your own mother. Nobody can be that confident of a read at this point." - this seems to be wilfully blind to the number of other people who
were
that confident of eg. a scum read on Haylen.

Post 761: Good job we had people like Prozac doing everything in their power to prevent it, eh?


Individually, Delta, Uber and Prozac all make sense as scum. Pairing wise, Delta/Uber works completely, Delta/Prozac works pretty well, Uber/Prozac works not so well.

Obvious conclusion:

VOTE: DeltaWave

Yesterday, we lynched a town player. Today, DeltaWave, who voted for that town player, is voting someone who didn't vote that town player, for not voting for that town player.

I mean, I thought the Haylen case was good too, you guys, but "nobody could possibly have read Haylen correctly, you must be scum who defended her for town cred" is absolute bunk.
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 8:57 am

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Hi Iam.

That's exactly what MoI believes. The fact that Delta came to the same conclusion is a very strong town tell.

But the real question here is what are you doing? Yesterday you were convinced Haylen was scum. You clearly saw very good evidence that she was scum.

If Delta is town, does it make more sense that scum were:

A) Strongly pushing a lynch on a town player in order to reduce their credibility for day 2 and make it harder to switch to the other town player?
B) Weakly pushing neither wagon, and allowing the deadline to do their work for them, then trying to capitalize by discrediting as many townies as possible, and hopefully getting another town wagon on the other player later in the game?
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 9:06 am

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GreyICE wrote:That's exactly what MoI believes. The fact that Delta came to the same conclusion is a very strong town tell.


I'm confused as to what you're referring to here. What does MoI believe? That no town player could possibly have read Haylen correctly?
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 9:06 am

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iamausername wrote:Yesterday, we lynched a town player. Today, DeltaWave, who voted for that town player, is voting someone who didn't vote that town player, for not voting for that town player.


NOPE (read my posts again)
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 9:21 am

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iamausername wrote:
GreyICE wrote:That's exactly what MoI believes. The fact that Delta came to the same conclusion is a very strong town tell.


I'm confused as to what you're referring to here. What does MoI believe? That no town player could possibly have read Haylen correctly?

That much of the defense of Haylen yesterday, particularly the weak and lame defenses that just said 'I don't really want to vote here' instead of 'she's definitely town, get your votes off her' were from scum.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 9:50 am

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I have detailed my feelings on MoS and there is something totally off about him. This is not his town play. But I said the same thing about Glork, the difference being though Im fairly certain that I have played MoS recently. MoS usually has quantifiable evidence of some kind. Having said that...
unvote
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I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue May 22, 2012 9:54 am

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Porochaz wrote:(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)


That's going in my signature at some point
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