TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.02

Llamarble (2) - Bub Bidderskins, Cogito Ergo Sum
Benmage (1) - Zachrulez
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Captain Falcon
singersigner (1) - Matias
Thestatusquo (1) - singersigner

Not Voting (5) - Benmage, Johhog, Llamarble, SocioPath, Thestatusquo

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Johhog is V/LA from May 22 to May 24.

[Matias]

nope. singer, you did it fucking again.

Is this a SHEA problem or an ALIGNMENT problem? Answer me.

[singersigner]

singer, you just killed your town read with that post though, honestly.

I'm starting to see you, socio and benmage.

I killed a town read by wanting to threaten him with the lynch I'd been pushing for the past two days so he'd either post content or replace out...which I've been saying for the past two days?

UR SO GUD AT MAFIA.

He's scum, get over it. I caught him in a boldface BULLSHIT OF AN EXCUSE. Don't even bother with the replacement. Lynch his ass.

[Captain Falcon]

Given Shea's opinion on Mafia and this site, I'm honestly not at all surprised he is playing the way he is. Also, more Team Meta, but knowing TSQ's history I know I personally would not give him a scumrole. It is just asking for unnecessary attention.

I didn't read Singer's response before voting, but I really don't want to waste another cycle lynching Shea for "lying" and generally lurking. CES, you mentioned that Regfan dying is a sign pointing to Llmarble, why is that?

[Matias]

No, that's not my problem with you. My problem is that in the same post, you demanded him to "replace out" AND "hang".

You obviously don't care about his alignment. You care about the player. Yell until you're blue in the face for him to replace out, but you made it clear that you're frustrated that you didn't get the slot lynched.

[Matias]

That being wildly different than what you posted in 775, by the way.

[Matias]

*777, not 775.

I apparently can't subtract

[singersigner]

Again, the shea wagon would be dumb. He's sort of useless this game. He is NOT scummy.

Can you point to where it's ok to coast throughout an entire game while making empty promises that you'll contribute? I don't know about you, but this is fucking ridiculous. Get him to replace the fuck out. I don't care. I just know I'm not about to let someone just ride the follies of people defending his lack of participation. He needs to hang. Now.

If you'll note, I was questioning YOU about what kind of commitment to a game YOU'RE willing to deal with (which you ignored). If you need him to replace out to pay attention to the slot, then fine, but he needs to die regardless of who takes over. He's scum, plain and simple.

People aren't seeing how fucking scummy he is with his claims of "content" and bullshit excuses,

which is why I want him dead

, but worse is that they aren't even looking at the fact that he's done NOTHING in this game. Pressure votes get people to talk or figure their shit out and replace out. You've been willing to do neither: see that he's scummy, or pressure him enough to get his shit together.

[singersigner]

FFS, it wasn't even "I want him to replace out or die" it was "I want you to figure out what the fuck you're willing to pay attention to but either way he needs to die."

Fucking read.

[Matias]

My stance has ALWAYS been "How the fuck do you know it isn't just Shea himself", which everyone has failed to explain. "Promising content and not delivering" is not MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to scummy behavior and in the post that I didn't like, you slightly crossed over to the side of "Shea should replace out" while still retaining "Shea should die".

I don't have to pressure a person who I know probably wont post content because he doesn't feel like he CAN for whatever reason.

[Matias]

This is team mafia for christ sakes.

You're saying that someone decided to pick a scum role when they could have given it to someone else, lurk for days, give bullshit excuses about their family and make a thinly veiled attempt to scumhunt in TEAM MAFIA. And you really truly believe that?

Unless 3-4 members of his team drew scum, I HIGHLY DOUBT that Shea would throw himself onto the scum role in such conditions. Do you really believe what you are saying, singer?

[singersigner]

Promising content and not delivering while giving false excuses as to why IS scummy, though. It's like you didn't even read the post that very clearly called him out on a BOLD FACED LIE.

Taking a leaf out of Shea's book, ask yourself what the SCUM motivation is for Shea's play. For his absence, lies, and talking in circles about the "content" he's been posting. It's very clearly motivated by a scum role PM. He cay say work got in the way all he wants, but his timing is suspect, he lied about LAST night's absence, and the way that he's been clearly online and available to contribute to this game since day fucking one is telling of the fact that he can't even defend against something he knows is true. Life gets hard. I get it. But don't pretend that you haven't had the time when you clearly have. Own up to it.

[Matias]

I don't buy it. You, for one, should know how much easier it is to post around site than it is to get into a 20+ page game coming out of barely posting at the start. You still haven't answered how it's not the fact that it's TSQ HIMSELF doing this, but in fact, it's a product of him being scum. This is all stuff that could be scum behavior, but it's also stuff I see TSQ doing as ANY ALIGNMENT. You are ignoring that and if you are scum, you fucked up by not getting off of his wagon sooner. I'm betting that you fucked up. Even CES doesn't care about lynching TSQ any longer, and he's probably town.

You wanting TSQ gone isn't bothering me, it's because you don't even care to fucking wait around for a replacement and you straight up slipped saying that you want him replaced AND you want him lynched.

You keep telling me that I'm not reading, but you aren't

listening

because you're frustrated. I think that you're frustrated that you didn't get an easy lynch off. It's that simple.

[singersigner]

Ninja'd. Yes. I feel that if his team even got ONE scum PM, Shea would've been the first to hop on it knowing how cocky he feels about his play.

For the record, I don't think Shea's lying about his mom. I hope no one thinks I'm attacking him for that, and I apologize if I came across that way. What I think is bullshit is the fact that when he promised content yesterday, he was proclaiming the date he was making with this one girl in scumchat (during the time I assumed he would've been working on his analysis), and up for hours talking with various people in scumchat, shootin' the shit, doing whatever he was doing. I was more than willing to wait to vote him if he felt he could supply something that would prove me wrong in all my suspicions, but...welp.

The fact is he comes in with this story about his mom, which sucks, I get it, but to blame it solely on that when he clearly had another agenda and other availability to provide this analysis is scummy as fuck.

Preview Edit:
I fucked up because I want Shea lynched and I seem to be the only person who fucking gets it? (that's not entirely true, Regfan was behind me after Amrun, and Zach still gets it--also, false, CES never said he doesn't care about Shea, he just said not til tomorrow)

Matias...why do you now think that Shea's an "easy lynch" when you're so clearly convinced that he's town? Does that not imply that you see and realize that he's scummy as fuck? Let me tell you, I've seen Shea play scum and he's pulling the same fucking "lurk if I can, rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric" bullshit he did in Weather Mafia II (which I thought I mentioned at the end of D1, but couldn't mention until the game was over). Can you show me examples of where he does this as town?

And yes I've argued how it's SCUMShea doing this. My entire fucking case is built on how Shea is fucking doing this because he's scum. What's his town motivation for omitting reasons why he hasn't been around? For wasting almost three weeks' worth of time on scumchat instead of devoting it to a game he committed to? For publicly advocating that lurking is ok as long as you can get away with it. People like you are EXACTLY why he could get away with it.

Also, no, you're reading, fine, but please

understand

it. I never said I actually wanted him replaced. I said the town should at the very least pressure him into getting replaced instead of letting him continually slide into the back burners.

[singersigner]

Please, show me the TOWN motivation for his actions, and how that disagree with scum's actions.

[singersigner]

While you're at it, can you please explain singerscum motivation for tunneling on Shea, this supposed "easy lynch," when there were clearly several other "easier" lynches yesterday and at least one today?

It's like you're making shit up and it's annoying because my whole team thinks you're town and convinced me to back off of you yesterday because they showed me where we were misunderstanding each other. Geebus, maybe they'll be kind enough to do it again.

[SocioPath]

Socio, now that you have lived past Day 1, do you have any other input?.

YEP.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, more Team Meta, but knowing TSQ's history I know I personally would not give him a scumrole. It is just asking for unnecessary attention.

If shea wanted a scum role (plausible), do you really think Porochaz-Ellibereth-Kison would deny him? Not a chance.

CES, you mentioned that Regfan dying is a sign pointing to Llmarble, why is that?

Regfan had the same Shea-'marble suspicions as I did. He was without a doubt the right kill to make for Llamarblescum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're saying that someone decided to pick a scum role when they could have given it to someone else, lurk for days, give bullshit excuses about their family and make a thinly veiled attempt to scumhunt in TEAM MAFIA. And you really truly believe that?

Unless 3-4 members of his team drew scum, I HIGHLY DOUBT that Shea would throw himself onto the scum role in such conditions. Do you really believe what you are saying, singer?

Obvious explanation is that real life really came up after team mafia and that that explains a great deal of his lurking.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Nacho, you get one chance to look townie and it involves bussing 'marble. Take it.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Singer, what are your thoughts on other players? Your singular focus on TSQ is anti-town. Why aren't you all over socio's case?

Speaking of which, socio, get in the fucking game.

[Zachrulez]

Singer is town.

[Zachrulez]

I don't buy it. You, for one, should know how much easier it is to post around site than it is to get into a 20+ page game coming out of barely posting at the start. You still haven't answered how it's not the fact that it's TSQ HIMSELF doing this, but in fact, it's a product of him being scum. This is all stuff that could be scum behavior, but it's also stuff I see TSQ doing as ANY ALIGNMENT. You are ignoring that and if you are scum, you fucked up by not getting off of his wagon sooner. I'm betting that you fucked up. Even CES doesn't care about lynching TSQ any longer, and he's probably town.

You wanting TSQ gone isn't bothering me, it's because you don't even care to fucking wait around for a replacement and you straight up slipped saying that you want him replaced AND you want him lynched.

You keep telling me that I'm not reading, but you aren't

listening

because you're frustrated. I think that you're frustrated that you didn't get an easy lynch off. It's that simple.

Or she's frustrated because she actually believes he (and his slot) are scum and can't get him lynched.

The main point against TSQ is that in showing as much site activity as he has, he clearly has time for this game and is choosing/chose not to participate in it. The real life issues he claims to have aren't relevant, the choice is.

[Equinox]

Nachomamma8 replaces Thestatusquo.

[Matias]

I fell asleep, sorry

I simply don't think Shea would put himself into this kind of position as scum. It doesn't seem right to me. I can argue all day about how much it's easier to post around site than it is to commit yourself to a game which I honestly think he tried to do (and gave me a town read as a result).

And again, I believe you're scum because you now have showed that you don't care about the alignment of the slot, you just care about lynching TSQ without realizing or caring that he could be doing this as town. I really can't say much else other than that other than you made that clear in the post I voted you over. He was 3 votes from being lynched yesterday and I think the frustration spilled over to today.