TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Matias]

I'm going to see how Nacho plays. This may turn completely around. Bad play and laziness doesn't mean someone is scum when someone is obviously somewhat lazy in general (sorry Shea)

[Matias]

I want to hear more from Socio and Llamarble.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He was 3 votes from being lynched yesterday and I think the frustration spilled over to today.

And that makes singer town. Frustration makes absolutely zero sense for singerscum given that D1 ended with an Amrunlynch.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.03

Llamarble (2) - Bub Bidderskins, Cogito Ergo Sum
Benmage (1) - Zachrulez
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Captain Falcon
Nachomamma8 (1) - singersigner
singersigner (1) - Matias

Not Voting (5) - Benmage, Johhog, Llamarble, SocioPath, Nachomamma8

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Johhog is V/LA from May 22 to May 24.

[Matias]

Not really? The ultimatum at the end of yesterday was Amrun and TSQ.

Vote Count 1.30

Amrun (7) - Johhog, Regfan, Bub Bidderskins, Llamarble, Captain Falcon, SocioPath, Matias

Thestatusquo (4) - singersigner, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez, Amrun
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Benmage, Thestatusquo

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 21, 2012, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).[/area]

Mod Notes

Amrun is V/LA until May 21.
Johhog is V/LA from May 22 to May 24.

Scum frustration for not getting everyone to lynch TSQ today makes perfect sense when all singer has been doing around Amrun was throwing rhetorical questions towards her and just simply saying Amrun is acting weird around Shea. She hardly made a committed read on Amrun all day yesterday.

[Matias]

You'd think that scum singer would be happy with the way the Amrun wagon took off on it's own, basically.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You'd think that scum singer would be happy with the way the Amrun wagon took off on it's own, basically.

Yes, you would. And thus there'd be no frustration to spill over to Today.

[Matias]

Meaning that she was frustrated yesterday when the TSQ lynch didn't automatically happen, happy when Amrun took off (and kind of coached it along by arguing with Amrun a bit) and THEN was equally frustrated when someone (me) fought against the TSQ lynch today.

I really don't see a problem here. You probably don't see it because you equally hate TSQ, but at least you aren't saying that he should be replaced and lynched in the same post.

[Matias]

Like I'm saying, it's not the crusade against TSQ that got me, it's the fact that singer hinted that he should be replaced and then said that he needs to hang.

Again, the shea wagon would be dumb. He's sort of useless this game. He is NOT scummy.

Can you point to where it's ok to coast throughout an entire game while making empty promises that you'll contribute? I don't know about you, but this is fucking ridiculous.

Get him to replace the fuck out. I don't care.

I just know I'm not about to let someone just ride the follies of people defending his lack of participation.

He needs to hang. Now.

Are you willing to comment on this or just chalk it up to "town" frustration? Her being frustrated that TSQ didn't get lynched is a supplement to my case, this is the real crux. And I'm saying that there's a HUGE difference between wanting him to replace out because of player frustrations and wanting him dead because he's scum (which I think the arguments here are bullshit).

[Matias]

And no, singer, the fact that you posted "I don't care" doesn't mean shit because the fact remains that posting that someone should replace out and someone should die in the same post is a MAJOR contradiction, you can't justify that.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

People are irrational. Emotion like this is pro-town if anything.

Meaning that she was frustrated yesterday when the TSQ lynch didn't automatically happen, happy when Amrun took off (and kind of coached it along by arguing with Amrun a bit) and THEN was equally frustrated when someone (me) fought against the TSQ lynch today.

Why would it carry over then? It wouldn't.

[Zachrulez]

And no, singer, the fact that you posted "I don't care" doesn't mean shit because the fact remains that posting that someone should replace out and someone should die in the same post is a MAJOR contradiction, you can't justify that.

It's really not.

[Matias]

Well, I think it would. I think it's just an easy argument to make and a vote to fall back on, so we can agree to disagree there.

You honestly think the contradiction is pro-town irrationality, though?

Preview edit: Can someone fucking explain this to me then? Saying that "oh, but singer is town because anyone who's frustrated and town can make the mistake of wanting someone dead and replaced out at the same time" is a fucking red herring.

[Matias]

I want to know why wanting a player replaced out and wanting a slot dead is not something that contradicts each other in the sense of "I think it's the player" and "I don't think it's the player, it's the alignment".

[Matias]

If I see a convincing enough argument, I will back off, but I have not seen a single one. Town frustration isn't good enough. Prove me wrong.

[Zachrulez]

I've actually wanted him replaced since probably about halfway through day 1. It hurts the town not to have contribution from his slot. That's incidentally why I think he's more likely scum. There is a possibility that I'm wrong, and a replacement might be able to convince me of that, thus getting a replacement that might contribute to the game isn't a bad thing in that regard. (Said content can also strengthen a scum read.)

[Matias]

We can't afford just lynching lazy players for the sake of them being gone.

[Zachrulez]

We can't afford just lynching lazy players for the sake of them being gone.

I don't think I ever used the P word in arguing why TSQ should die.

[Matias]

Well, maybe people should.

Nacho, another player, has taken over TSQ's slot, so we can see how he plays, if he plays any better at all. Why does he have to straight up die because TSQ was lazy?

[Zachrulez]

Well, maybe people should.

Nacho, another player, has taken over TSQ's slot, so we can see how he plays, if he plays any better at all. Why does he have to straight up die because TSQ was lazy?

Because TSQ was lazy scum.

But you're right, we can see how Nacho plays. Knowing Nacho though, I'm expecting more of the same.

[Matias]

Vote can stay on singer for now. Until someone gives me a sufficient answer at least. I'm not infallible, but I think that if she's willing to have TSQ be replaced, it undermines everything she is attacking him for in the sense of TSQ's slot being scum.

[Zachrulez]

Just for a short brief time, I had hope that there'd be a viable wagon on Benmage scum...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well, I think it would. I think it's just an easy argument to make and a vote to fall back on, so we can agree to disagree there.

Sure? But you don't fall back on frustration?

You honestly think the contradiction is pro-town irrationality, though?

Yes.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Vote: Llamarble

[Matias]

I'd rather hear from Llamarble first before I make judgment on him.