NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[HezLucky]

THIS GAME NEEDS MORE JUNPEI VOTES.

[Nero Cain]

psyche-you keep belly aching over how this game is so long but you've been here since the beginning. Why have you not been following along and what have you been doing instead?

If you'll remember, I actually tried to get out a while back.

Could you explain this to me. Did you pm the mod and ask fot replacement and he wouldn't let you?

I haven't responded to some of the attacks on me because I'm only going to try change people's minds that actually can be changed. That's why I backed off Nero

You baked off me b/c you were unable to convince enough people to lynch me. You sure are confident in your scum reads.

FAKE GOD IS SO SCUM!!!

[Nero Cain]

I'm confident we're looking at 1 scum team + a SK or 1 scum team + a vig.

Thoughts?

I see your logic as to why you don't think there are two scum teams, but I doubt a vig. Neither of the Day 1 kills stood out as scum to me, Kublai Khan was strong town, and drmyshotgun was a claimed power role, albeit a somewhat useless one.

You underestimate the capability of a vig to be absolutely terrible.

This is beyond terrible. If anyone ever claims vig my vote is going on them. If you think a vig shot AH/Vijay and KK while leaving Scooby, shotty, FG and Ben alive then you are absolutely naive.

I'm coming round to the opinion that Mastin is town after a re-read of several players in isolation.

How does reading other players make you think Mastin is town?

[Code_X]

Because I agree with his reads ...

[Nero Cain]

oh ok

[Code_X]

Well apart from Firestarter/OGML who I think is town.

[Nero Cain]

Eh....Fiestarter's slot is maybe scum....I'm pretty convinced that psyche is scum and I feel like fire's 299 [where he states that his (psyche) vote on Rack looks like a bus but piles on the Rack wagon could be him lynching town to buy his buddy some cred. *shrugz*

Though I also agree with a good chunk of his scum reads but I don't have a super huge town read on him simply b/c of the way he keeps moving TML around.

[redFF]

v/la til saturday

[DeasVail]

V/LA for ~48 hours. Long day at uni tomorrow followed by no internet access.

[The Mini-Librarian]

@NC: I mean backed off in that I stopped trying to convince you I'm not scum. At this point this seems like a pretty useless endeavor wouldn't you agree? You came off the scum read list for late day 2 play. Don't you have a scumread on FG? Why demean my scumread on him then?

[mastin2]

@Mastin: Do you have any town games in your history where you put this much stock in the reads of dead townies?

Every single game after I've come back? (Well, as town, anyway. I'm not sure I've done it as scum. Probably, but no incidents come to mind.) Like I said. I've been there. Before I became mastin2 (as Mastin in 2009), I was lynched a whole HECK of a lot more often than I was NK'd or kept alive 'til endgame. (To the point where I had NEVER lived to 3P lylo; the only time I was IN 3P lylo, I replaced into it.) And I hated how people ignored me. And I know others who are lynched feel the same way. They don't like being ignored just because they weren't charismatic enough to dodge the lynch. (Because, let's face it. When it comes down to it, it's not the most scummy player who gets lynched; it's the least charismatic player.)

And on my return, I ended up being NK'd a whole HECK of a lot more than I was lynched*, and I SCREAMED from the graveyard for people to do NK analysis and not write it off as WIFOM, because writing things off as WIFOM is exactly what allows scum to get away with pulling things they by all rights shouldn't.

(*By the way, still end up being NK'd more often, but again, I don't get lynched often, either. I've actually started surviving to endgame a lot more frequently than I used to, but if I don't, chances are I either LET myself be lynched or was nightkilled. Or replaced into an unsalvageable obvscum slot. )

Hence, why I'm pretty much one of a dying unique breed, those who pay attention to the flips and what they mean.

[OhGodMyLife]

Mastin fills a lot of space with needless theory talk and introspection.

Bored now. Lynch Junpei kthx.

[PeregrineV]

Fallman7 replaces Junpei

[Code_X]

Code, I think the quite opposite, the more posting the better, as it gives more things to be able to analyse in the long run. Which will come for better cases and what not.

Yo, Kdowns you going to contribute or not?

DeasVail/RedFF - reads when you return would be good.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 3-3

(as of Post 2213)

Fallman7 (5)

- redFF, HezLucky, Lady Lambdadelta, StrangerCoug, OhGodMyLife

kdowns (3)

- DeasVail, Maxous, Fallman7

FakeGod (2)

- The Mini-Librarian, Nero Cain

DeasVail (2)

- mastin2, Code_X

Nero Cain (1)

- FakeGod

maxwell (1)

- Benmage

Not Voting (4)

- kdowns, maxwell, Psyche, scooby

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, June 1, 2012 4pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

scooby
kdowns
Maxous

V/LAs:

RedFFMay 26
DeasVailMay 26

[mastin2]

By the way, we have a little over a week 'til deadline, so I'd suggest we begin coordinating. Obviously, one of the lynch candidates...

Fallman7 (5) - redFF, HezLucky, Lady Lambdadelta, StrangerCoug, OhGodMyLife

...Is Junpei's slot, but in addition to me no longer strongly believing he's scum, there's also the fact that his replacement deserves the chance to not only catch up, but give content, ESPECIALLY if the slot's town. (See also: what we shoulda done for Seacore.)

So I'd rather not.
As for...

Nero Cain (1) - FakeGod
maxwell (1) - Benmage

When it comes to Nero, there's not only not enough support, but also not enough suspicion as far as I'm concerned; while I have my eye on him, he's not someone I'd want to lynch any day soon.
When it comes to maxwell (shotty's slot), I don't think there's enough support, plus there's the fact that said slot has given nothing so far, and maxwell has the chance to do that. (Granted, I think the slot's scum, but still, content from scum is still content we can use. Plus--should I be wrong--the slot's content would be legitimate, and therefore should be given.)

Which means neither of those wagons is viable.

...But when it comes to...

kdowns (3) - DeasVail, Maxous, Fallman7
FakeGod (2) - The Mini-Librarian, Nero Cain
DeasVail (2) - mastin2, Code_X

...These three? I'll gladly join any of the wagons. And many others are willing as well, but here's the thing--we can't wagon all of 'em; we need to choose one. While DV's my preferred lynch, I'd be happy to wagon FG or kdowns. Both share similar patterns as well: they've been replacements for some time, yet neither has given anything so much as resembling content. But given the choice between the two, FG HAS given more content than kdowns, whereas kdowns continues to fail to deliver on what he has promised.

So right now, my thought is on kdowns. Any takers?

Unvote, VOTE: kdowns.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin, why do you no longer believe Junpei is scum?

If you say "because he replaced out" I'm torching your ass.

[mastin2]

Mastin, why do you no longer believe Junpei is scum?

If you say "because he replaced out" I'm torching your ass.

Do I no longer believe Junpei is scum? No.
Do I think Junpei is town? Also no.

I'm undecided on him, hence yet another reason his replacement should be allowed to stay for a while. The reasons can be found in my wall a page back.

I'm not sold either way, any more. I can see him still being scum, I can see him being town. I simply haven't made up my mind, and when I'm not sold on a lynch, it's best to default to not supporting said lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin, would you like me to lynch you instead?

I have half a mind to vote you for that last post.

[mastin2]

Same problem there, LLD, as the other lynches.

While I've definitely made my fair share of enemies in this game, you'd not get enough support to push the lynch through; you'd be better off trying to keep pushing Junpei than pushing me. But go ahead if you'd like; it'd only ensure the Junpei lynch (which I currently do not support) wouldn't go through.

[StrangerCoug]

Fallman7 has plenty of breathing room. While the clearest lynch candidate at this time with more than a quarter of the votes, he should be free of concerns of a quickhammer. If he isn't, I'm going to chew out the five people that jump on him without giving him a chance to catch up.

[Psyche]

Sup, guys!

Three day Memorial Day weekend coming.

I will have this game read and thought about by its end.

That is all.

[Nero Cain]

Don't you have a scumread on FG? Why demean my scumread on him then?

You do know this is multiball right? Since its multiball its possible for one scum to find other scum. Its also plausible for you to be bussin' for town cred.


I rather lynch FG over Kdowns. FG's "content" has been active lurking, fence sitting, IIOA gibberish. And he's had much more time to live. FG is deff todays best lynch.

ALL ABOARD!!!

As of right now I'm thinkin' along the lines of:

DV
psyche
OGML/jun/ben/kdowns


FG
mastin
tml

[Nero Cain]

or to clarify:

FG
TML
DV
Psyche

are my top reads. If TML/psyche both flip scum then I'll strongly suspect Mastin and OMGL.

[StrangerCoug]

Don't you have a scumread on FG? Why demean my scumread on him then?

You do know this is multiball right? Since its multiball its possible for one scum to find other scum. Its also plausible for you to be bussin' for town cred.

How do

YOU

know this is a multiball? All we know about the setup are that there are two kills. Everything else is speculation—for example, even though I'm a strong opponent of there being a vig, what keeps one from being a lousy shot?

UNVOTE: Fallman7
VOTE: Nero Cain