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[Captain Leela]

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way.

I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him

.

Can you explain to me what you mean by the underlined? Where do you see desperation in UN's posts and what does that lead you to believe about UN. And should Delta be concerned that someone is defending him? What does that say about Delta?

[Captain Leela]

CooLDoG: Ended the day voting DeltaWave, with a big long case. Starts day 2... voting UberNinja. Has forgotten about DeltaWave. Que que? Does not compute.

It's probably easier to mislynch UN today that it is to mislynch me. Haylen was after me for self-preservation reasons and Glork ultimately decided to move away from my wagon at the last moment, so he probably wouldn't have voted me today. This means that a mislynch on me will be very difficult today, but a mislynch on UN is possible. Simple strategy.

I'd like for you to tell me in what universe you think Glork wouldn't have voted for you today in light of the following two comments, which were among the last comments he made. It appears to me that he did not vote you because he listened to other people and took other game information into account, which had nothing to do with his personal feelings for whether or not you were scum (hint: I believe he still thought you were scum and would be voting for you today).

Now. I personally have sort of gotten cold feet about a Haylen-lynch. However, due to the result in the other game and after a little discussion with the team, there's *enough* of a chance that Haylen is scum that we decided being on the lynch is a good idea. I'll probably wind up regretting this for a host of reasons, but here goes.

Vote: Haylen

Yeah, I should've listened to me, and not these other idiots. GreyICE and UN have lost all talking priviliges.

[Captain Leela]

DW is still scum. UN is scum. Vote one of the two. Preferably UN for now. At least DW makes it look like he is posting content.

1. Posting "content" does not make one town

2. I have about four times the posts you do, buddy

No, posting "content" does not make one town, but you follow this up with an even more ridiculous defense of yourself. It doesn't matter if you have four times the amount of posts, especially if your posts are full of one-liners. You have to look at content and the amount of things commented on in one post. Activity level doesn't make one town either.

[Captain Leela]

Hi Iam.

That's exactly what MoI believes. The fact that Delta came to the same conclusion is a very strong town tell.

Can you explain this to me please? I'd like to know what "strong town tell" Delta committed.

[Captain Leela]

^^^Never mind. Got the answer a couple posts later.

[Captain Leela]

You know, it would be fun to do this. In fact, I'm going to do it right now to you DW:

I was right about haylen.
You were 100% wrong about haylen.
I was right about glork.
You were 100% wrong about glork.
thus, you must suck my balls.

If it was real I would have done it a long time ago

And then you would have been wrong 3 times.

@jason, What do you think of a mersa/UN/DW scum team?

You know what the absolute best part of this post is? The language that you're using presumes that I'm town. If you

really

thought I was scum, then there's no way I could have been

wrong

about Haylen, since scum would know the alignment of other players. You call me scum in the last line of your post, but your analysis presumes that I'm town who was wrong about my reads. That's because you're fully aware that I'm town.

You just scumslipped hard.

This is ridiculous. I see people say this in games as if they caught someone, and all they do is make themselves look stupid. There is no language presuming you are town in this argument. You claimed that Haylen was scum. She wasn't. You were wrong in your statements. You thought Glork was scum. He wasn't. You were wrong in your statements. Even if you are scum, your statements would still be incorrect. It doesn't make CooLDog scum for pointing it out any more than it makes you town for saying it.

[Captain Leela]

Vote: iamausername

I really think we've got scum here. I think D1 was predominantly run by idiot town going after each other (Haylen, GI, Delta, etc...Glork wasn't an idiot but he was chasing the idiots for being dumbasses rather than for being scummy). iamausername's post where he voted Delta really set off alarm bells in my head, especially since Delta's most recent posts before that had made me LESS sure of him being scum, not the other way around.

You're referring to Post 993? Why did it set off alarm bells for you? It was one of the posts I really liked by him.

[Captain Leela]

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

Why are you voting MoS?

[Captain Leela]

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way. I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him.

So your point is "If UN is scum, his lynch will be good", and you're trying to pass that off as a valid reason to lynch him. Got it.

Am I misreading/misunderstanding something? Wouldn't UN being scum be a valid reason for his lynch?

[CooLDoG]

GREY ICE: WHY AM I SCUM MOTHER FUCKER? I HAVE ASKED THIS MANY TIMES AND I HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER.

[GreyICE]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4045886
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4059207

[UberNinja]

^ this is clearly town

why

because

^ this is clearly town

voting who you are voting, or who you approve of him voting does not = town!

It does in this case!

[UberNinja]

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way.

I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him

.

Can you explain to me what you mean by the underlined? Where do you see desperation in UN's posts and what does that lead you to believe about UN. And should Delta be concerned that someone is defending him? What does that say about Delta?

I fucking love this post.

DW is still scum. UN is scum. Vote one of the two. Preferably UN for now. At least DW makes it look like he is posting content.

1. Posting "content" does not make one town

2. I have about four times the posts you do, buddy

No, posting "content" does not make one town, but you follow this up with an even more ridiculous defense of yourself. It doesn't matter if you have four times the amount of posts, especially if your posts are full of one-liners. You have to look at content and the amount of things commented on in one post. Activity level doesn't make one town either.

I know that. I was just trying to show him how shitty his opinion on "posting content" was.
I have seen scum post "content" like their life depended on it, and it's actually one of my favorite tells.

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way. I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him.

So your point is "If UN is scum, his lynch will be good", and you're trying to pass that off as a valid reason to lynch him. Got it.

Am I misreading/misunderstanding something? Wouldn't UN being scum be a valid reason for his lynch?

The point which I'm getting is "if someone is scum, it's a good idea to lynch him or her" could be applied to

anyone

, but I feel like iama is asking why does it apply to me (UberNinja) specifically?

Also, lynching anyone based on the "possibility of them flipping scum" is really just a cop out on the basest level.

[UberNinja]

And hot damn I am loving Tammy's style so far. We shall be friends, I guarantee it.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

Why are you voting MoS?

The distinct difference in MoS day1 and MoS day2.
Day1 play was all "sheeping Glork" and worthless posts.
Day2 is a bad attempt to lead the town in the direction he wants it to go, but it looks more like fishing for support for a lynch than actual cases on anyone.

That's for starters. I'll be back later when I get more than 10 minutes to myslef.

[DeltaWave]

Despite the fact that Cooldog annoys me to no end, I have to admit that the case on Poro is stronger at the moment.

UNVOTE: CD
VOTE: Porochaz

Although I think your case on CooLDoG sucks, why is Poro's suddenly stronger?

Lying is probably not the best way to start out if you want to at least sound like you're town. It didn't happen "suddenly", I said in Post 1008 that GI made a great case against Poro and I was considering which case was stronger. Ultimately I came to the decision that Poro scumslipped harder than CD did.

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way.

I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him

.

Can you explain to me what you mean by the underlined? Where do you see desperation in UN's posts and what does that lead you to believe about UN. And should Delta be concerned that someone is defending him? What does that say about Delta?

If someone argues in my defense against piss-poor accusations, then I'm not particularly worried. That sounds like more of a town thing to do.

I'd like for you to tell me in what universe you think Glork wouldn't have voted for you today in light of the following two comments, which were among the last comments he made. It appears to me that he did not vote you because he listened to other people and took other game information into account, which had nothing to do with his personal feelings for whether or not you were scum (hint: I believe he still thought you were scum and would be voting for you today).

It sounded like his team was calling me town and he ended up getting cold feet on my wagon. Put two and two together.

This is ridiculous. I see people say this in games as if they caught someone, and all they do is make themselves look stupid. There is no language presuming you are town in this argument. You claimed that Haylen was scum. She wasn't. You were wrong in your statements. You thought Glork was scum. He wasn't. You were wrong in your statements. Even if you are scum, your statements would still be incorrect. It doesn't make CooLDog scum for pointing it out any more than it makes you town for saying it.

There's a big difference between "you didn't get it right" and "you are scum who pushed a mislynch."

Looks like your slot stays as scummy as it ever was.

[UberNinja]

Glork's voting history.

--snipped a ton of quotes--

I'm going to bold everyone who's not dead or me.

Vote: UberNinja
Vote: Haylen
Vote: UberNinja /

FoS: Slaxx / Minor: FoS Capt Murasa/Leela

Vote: Haylen

Vote: PeregrineV (tons of elaboration here)
Confirm Vote: PeregrineV

Unvote

Vote: iamausername

Vote: Haylen
Confirm Vote: Haylen

Vote: DeltaWave
WILL NEVER, EVER LYNCH: GreyICE, Slaxx, JasonT

Unvote
Vote: Haylen

Interesting.

[UberNinja]

My vote's probably been screwed up after making that post and re-bolding Glork's votes outside of quote tags, there's probably some rule that would say I was voting someone else based on making that post (1091) so I'm going to...

Vote: Porochaz

again, pending some further re-reading to see what I can glean from Glork's "legacy"... .

[hasdgfas]

Uberninja(3): CooLDoG, Captain Leela, Porochaz
Porochaz(3): GreyICE, UberNinja, DeltaWave
DeltaWave(1): iamausername
iamausername(1): Mastermind of Sin
Mastermind of Sin(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting: Slaxx, jasonT1981
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd.

Fixed

[UberNinja]

It saddens me to say this, but Delta is probably not scum. That said, this game has made it obvious that he has no fucking clue what he's talking about. Still, his posts the last few pages have seemed genuine to me.

Vote: iamausername

I really think we've got scum here. I think D1 was predominantly run by idiot town going after each other (Haylen, GI, Delta, etc...Glork wasn't an idiot but he was chasing the idiots for being dumbasses rather than for being scummy). iamausername's post where he voted Delta really set off alarm bells in my head, especially since Delta's most recent posts before that had made me LESS sure of him being scum, not the other way around.

Also, Prozac: Just because you modded my ONE exceptionally good town game in the last two years doesn't mean you know my town meta. In fact, I was a replacement in that game, so you have no basis for comparison toward my Day 1 play (which is relatively consistent across the site).

Anything other than his Delta vote that made you think he was scummy?

[CooLDoG]

Hey CooLDoG, you're just chopping up all these posts into these stupid little walls where you offer useless little comments that NEVER DEVELOP INTO ANYTHING. They're just little snippets of commentary with no coherent whole, no coherent thoughts, no chain of logic or central drive. They're just these comments. Like you're a color commentator at a football game.

Why?

Why is this scummy?

CooLDoG: Ended the day voting DeltaWave, with a big long case. Starts day 2... voting UberNinja. Has forgotten about DeltaWave. Que que? Does not compute.

I voted for one of my top two scumspects. Got a problem with that?
Also, why is that scummy?

The problem I have with grey is he throws a lot of stuff around but there is not actually: this action is scummy because...

I'm just not sure what to make of it.

^ this is clearly town

why

because

Come on, you are better than a toddler. Give me an answer. Why is that post townie? Hell, why is delta wave town?

Lying is probably not the best way to start out if you want to at least sound like you're town. It didn't happen "suddenly", I said in Post 1008 that GI made a great case against Poro and I was considering which case was stronger. Ultimately I came to the decision that Poro scumslipped harder than CD did.

Is it actually possible to scum slip harder? Isn't a scum slip an off on sorta deal? "He scum slipped! He scumslipped twice! He scum slipped harder?!?!"

Glork's voting history.

--snipped a ton of quotes--

I'm going to bold everyone who's not dead or me.

Vote: UberNinja
Vote: Haylen
Vote: UberNinja /

FoS: Slaxx / Minor: FoS Capt Murasa/Leela

Vote: Haylen

Vote: PeregrineV (tons of elaboration here)
Confirm Vote: PeregrineV

Unvote

Vote: iamausername

Vote: Haylen
Confirm Vote: Haylen

Vote: DeltaWave
WILL NEVER, EVER LYNCH: GreyICE, Slaxx, JasonT

Unvote
Vote: Haylen

Interesting.

This has got to be the most meaningless post in this game thus far. Is that sall you got? First you quote every post that he votes in and say nothing. Then you link to every popst he votes in and you still say nothing. What is your problem? Can't you at least try to play this game? Can you give us just one little insight? Just one?

Uberninja(3): CooLDoG, Captain Leela, Porochaz

Porochaz(3): GreyICE, UberNinja, DeltaWave

DeltaWave(1): iamausername
iamausername(1): Mastermind of Sin
Mastermind of Sin(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting: Slaxx, jasonT1981
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd.

Fixed

The circle jerk of love. either these guys are horrible masons, or something fishy is going on here. First they defend each other like mad dogs that have been kicked in the balls, and now the make up their own voting block.

@DELTA/UN/GREY, if you are wrong about porochaz, will you guys go and fuck yourselves? Serious question. Because right now, just the fact that you three are on that wagon makes me think that poro is town. Either it is becuase you three have really really bad reads or you are scum who have mastered the art of making yourself "too stupid to lynch". If it is the later, my hat is off to you, becuase you have really got this town by the balls. By the balls.

Everyone voting delta needs to vote UN. Or, conversely, everybody voting UN needs to vote for delta. Whichever one gets one of those two lynched will make me happy.

[GreyICE]

Hey Leela

What is your vote doing?

Om of the Nom is joining a large theme game right now, something that moves much faster than this game.

You sure you're not scum, Leela?

[Captain Leela]

Despite the fact that Cooldog annoys me to no end, I have to admit that the case on Poro is stronger at the moment.

UNVOTE: CD
VOTE: Porochaz

Although I think your case on CooLDoG sucks, why is Poro's suddenly stronger?

Lying is probably not the best way to start out if you want to at least sound like you're town. It didn't happen "suddenly", I said in Post 1008 that GI made a great case against Poro and I was considering which case was stronger. Ultimately I came to the decision that Poro scumslipped harder than CD did.

I was

lying

? Hyperbole much? I don't have the thread memorized; logic would dictate that I either didn't notice your post or forgot that you had written it.

Yes, Porochaz did something scummy, but do you actually believe it was a

scumslip

? And CD...

scumslipped

? This is pretty much the stupidest reason to be voting for someone. I'd like to know what you think a scumslip is, because almost every time I've seen someone get strung up because of a "scumslip" it's a townie. Misused words, pronoun changes, inconsistency in thought or action, grammatical issues, etc all come from town just as much as they come from scum. It's a humanslip, it's not a scumslip. In fact, they're more likely to come from town than they are to come from scum because town has no reason to really pay attention to what they write; therefore, they're automatically going to make mistakes in logic or whatever. Scum have the incentive to be careful fo what they say, so they're more likely to fix these things. So while it's fine to point these things out or think it's suspicious, on its own it doesn't prove that someone is scum.

Is this how you always scum hunt? You know who predominantly "hunt" for scum this way? Scum do...when they're looking for mislynches. Scum know who town is so it's harder for them to hunt in a way that's less mechanical so they tend to focus on these little verifiables. "Oh look a contradiction" "Oh look a scumslip" It's a nice way to look like you're hunting for scum when what you're really doing is hunting for a mislynch.

If someone argues in my defense against piss-poor accusations, then I'm not particularly worried. That sounds like more of a town thing to do.

A preemptive defense! How awesome! Can you explain to me why you felt the need to defend yourself before Porochaz had a chance to answer the question I posed to

him

?

I'd like for you to tell me in what universe you think Glork wouldn't have voted for you today in light of the following two comments, which were among the last comments he made. It appears to me that he did not vote you because he listened to other people and took other game information into account, which had nothing to do with his personal feelings for whether or not you were scum (hint: I believe he still thought you were scum and would be voting for you today).

It sounded like his team was calling me town and he ended up getting cold feet on my wagon. Put two and two together.

You put two and two together and came up with that? You should probably go back to kindergarten if you think that looks anything like four. Considering that his last statement was "Yeah, I should've listened to me, and not these other idiots. GreyICE and UN have lost all talking priviliges," and that his last vote before moving to Haylen was on you, I think it's very highly likely that he would be voting you today. You look like you're making stuff up to try to make yourself look good.

[Captain Leela]

Hey Leela

What is your vote doing?

Om of the Nom is joining a large theme game right now, something that moves much faster than this game.

You sure you're not scum, Leela?

Really don't know what my vote has to do with anything right now. I'll put it where I want it to go when I finish ISOing the people I said I needed to read and think about.

Have no idea about Om of the Nom. He gave the same reason in the qt for replacing out as he did on thread.

Not scum...keep trying.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Sorry for not posting lately, moving to a new place and my internet needs to be transferred. I'm V/LA until monday at least.