D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[brizingre1]

wait a sec... you haven't been reading my post these last couple of days? ^.^

Sarcasm kind of fails in text.

[4nxi3ty]

no nexus lynch?

Wait, Nexus is still playing?

If so, I'd definitely support his lynch too.

pretty sure there is no sarcasm or jokeyness in this, sounds more like you want us to believe that you genuinely forgot about nexus and want to show support for his lynch.

If you were truly being sarcastic does that mean you don't support a nexus lynch?

Why did you think cow or seanald "need" to be lynched?

[brizingre1]

no nexus lynch?

Wait, Nexus is still playing?

If so, I'd definitely support his lynch too.

pretty sure there is no sarcasm or jokeyness in this, sounds more like you want us to believe that you genuinely forgot about nexus and want to show support for his lynch.

If you were truly being sarcastic does that mean you don't support a nexus lynch?

Why did you think cow or seanald "need" to be lynched?

No, I knew Nexus was still playing but had forgotten about him in my last post. I could easily support a lynch on him, that bit wasn't sarcastic.
Because cow is scum and seanald is scum/antitown.

[Slandaar]

So like

Im town

Made my case

Voting my man

Later

[brizingre1]

So like

Im town

Made my case

Voting my man

Later

I responded to your case, did you actually read that?

[WrathChild]

way to point out the obvious, you are awarded 0 town cred points, you have successfully faked doing work of any kind.

What have you done?

UNVOTE, VOTE: Sean

[WrathChild]

PS
I'd vote Cow too, but at least it appears that Cow tries occasionally. Sean has made no effort to do anything.

[LordChronos]

At this point, Sean is just active lurking and not even doing a good job of that. Of the current viable lynch targets, I'd be most amenable to lynching him, briz is acceptable as well though if we must.

Unvote; Vote: Seanald

[Nero Cain]

WC, this is like the forth or filth time you've said you'd vote for cow [and I don't ever remember you stating that you were suspicious of cow but I'll have to ISO you or you can show me the post] but you never actually voted him. This looks a lot like buddy play to me.

Can you link me to your scum game?

I'd also vote Sean over Briz so yeah....

vote:Sean

[LordChronos]

I'd be willing to vote Cow for the record, but still prefer Peregrine, who has, as of late made two completely unserious posts when we are at a very serious point of the day (#504 and 506).

PS Nero. I'd still vote cow. But I'm still, like I was last time stuck until people get off my wagon.

vote: WC

Well we already established that Cow is scum, so asking him to get off my wagon won't do any good.

2 (RE: Cow): Obviously I had my issues with him yesterday and he hasn't really done much to improve his stance in my book. Yesterday he fencesat on SD and gave town pants to my top scum read for today. What really reads as distancing to me is this:

"I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous."

Why even mention SD at that point? He had no votes and was under zero discussion at the time. Of all the things that had happened since Cow replaced in, how does this rate as a notable subject? Nero actually pointed out that Cow omitted SD from his suspicious pile despite saying that he would vote him. He also goes along with the two scum team assumption Day 1 before it was revealed as a possibility. And here, he continues to push the two scum-team concept despite there being a possibility of one of them being an SK. I would put a vote on a cow wagon.

I'm not sold on Briz-Scum yet, but I'd lynch Cow and prefer we reserve Sean for blaster fire. As I've said I prefer to hang active players and bust caps in lurkers. Sean hasn't proven to be anything but a continuation of Andy-Lurk, so blast him I say.

I'd still prefer an Anxiety lynch, but that's not getting much traction.

PS
I'd vote Cow too, but at least it appears that Cow tries occasionally. Sean has made no effort to do anything.

Nero, your post coupled with my latent WC suspicions from my VCA inspired me to go through WC's ISO. Those are the various times he has said he would vote cow. He has never yet done so. The only one of those posts that actually discusses why he is willing to vote cow is 1062. It is possible that I missed somewhere else where he explained this, if so, WC can feel free to point it out.

@Slan

Why do you think ooba/briz are a team again? Briz's defense of ooba?

[Nero Cain]

If there's enough WC support I'd love to lynch him, if not I'll tunnel on him the next day.

[Nero Cain]

actually....

vote:WC

He needs death. I'm thinkin' Cow is his buddy.

BB is scum to me thinks. Shmugen is the next scumiest to me so WC/Cow-BB/Shumgen. book it.

[LordChronos]

WC/Cow with ooba? and BB/Shmugen with SD? or vice versa?

Why is Shmugen next scummiest to you?

[Nero Cain]

I don't really care and it doesn't really matter if WC/Cow is scum with ooba or SD and vice versa. Why does this matter to you?

You should read Shumgen, he just says like a ton of scummy ass crap still I'd lynch WC/BB first.

[Shmugen]

I've learned a lesson this game, Nero, and that's to not replace in after site crashes.

Lets cover my recent scummy behavior:
1. Asking to be blastered
2. Claiming hated to ensure I die before endgame
3. Not getting results on watches

Which of these would you like to hang me for?

As a reminder, there are 12 people alive. We lost 3 townies last night. We don't have many days left to dick around here. My vote is staying on Briz or Seanald, though I wouldn't be opposed to BB.

[Luckyjt]

Briz and Lord Chronos seem to be both scum. Ill show why tonight or tomorrow. Just got out of work and I can be more active now. I will be finishing my reading today. Again sorry for the inactivity but I just started on a summer job and I am tired on my first week, I should be getting better on the days to come.

[Nero Cain]

Remember, LC's slot has a potential BB link. Kdub pretty much tunneled the whole time.

Shmugen-How does a site crash affect gameplay and why must your recent play have to be scummy for me to consider lynching you?

[hasdgfas]

Remember, LC's slot has a potential BB link. Kdub pretty much tunneled the whole time.

In what way was that tunneling indicative of scum as opposed to someone who just has a really strong scum read?

[Nero Cain]

Hence the word potential. If Kdub and BB were scum together, kdubs attacking of BB could be distancing. BB reactions to kdub here are tech and I'll go take a look at them here in a bit.

[Luckyjt]

BB you dont think briz is scum?

Haven't really been noticing anything super scummy.

I'll give him a read.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: brizingre

Only mentions of briz all game from a skim of BB's ISO. (3 results for briz)

Do we have any particular reason to believe his Yoda claim?

Either way, BB, would you like to expound on that sudden reversal of your position? Or are you just opportunistically bandwagoning?

VCA is almost done, I should be able to post it some time tomorrow.

the point I brought up against nexus is solid imo, why is it being ignored?

this is the second day I tried to get discussion going about association tells. Is there a good reason the scumflips aren't getting any attention?

oh I'm just being hard headed. Shmugen has said so many stupid/derpy things that I have a very hard time beliving he's town. Ditto for Hascows lack of scumhunting. WC is still scum but I dunno why he's not lynched yet. And BB needs to hang me thinks. So maybe I'm wrong about those four. *shrugz*

but 4nx is right here so if there's support I'll switch over.

Stupid/derpy =/= scummy. You should know that. There is a depressing lack of anyone doing anything in the game right now.

So, Briz is now at L-2, with both the latest votes coming with no reasons and very very little mention of the slot all game. Not sure if that indicates scum piling on for a mislynch or if the lack of a strong counterwagon to Briz indicates he is scum. Cow wagon has been strongest besides Briz, perhaps Briz is a counterwagon to Cow? In that case, look at Cow/BB/Sean for scum. (Is two two man scum teams reasonable for a 20 man game? Or should it be 3/3/14? Don't play enough larger games to know.)

Seanald is in general being trollish, lurky, and useless.

No one really stands out as being solidly pro-town right now ignoring Slan.

Slan is conf-town, Nero is probably 2nd most town. Sean/Shumgen/Lucky/Nexus are all being dumb/anti-town/useless/lurky. BB is scummy, Sean is scummy. Need to look at Briz and cow more.

two attempts at derailing a nexus wagon:this is still very much valid imo

unvote, vote: Nexus

That would be more valid info if Nexus had ever actually had a wagon on him Day 1. (Post crash, haven't looked pre crash at all).

VCs

VC 1.

WrathChild- Ooba, NeroCain, 4nxi3ty, MagnaofIllusion(L-7)
PeregrineV- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1 (L-7)
BBmolla- Kdub (L-10)
ooba- splitfarvle (L-10)
Slandaar- shmugen, Shadow Dancer, Sword_of_omens, Nexus, Andrius (L-6)
splitfarvle- (L-10)
Nexus- Slandaar (L-10)
MagnaofIllusion- syndromeofadown (L-10)
hasdgfas- PeregrineV (L-10)

VC 2.

WrathChild- Ooba(L-10)
PeregrineV- WrathChild, BBmolla, hasdgfas, brinzingre1, splitfarvle , Shadow Dancer, Kdub, MagnaofIllusion, Shmugen, Iecerint, NeroCain(Lynched)
hasdgfas-syndromeofadown (L-10)
Nexus- 4nxi3ty (L-10)
drmyshotgun- Slandaar (L- 10)
Andrius- PeregrineV (L-10)

VC 3.

WrathChild- NeroCain (L-8)
BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)
MagnaofIllusion- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle (L-6)
Nexus- Iecerint, shmugen, BBmolla, Brizingre1 (L-5)
drmyshotgun- Slandaar (L-8)
Iecerint- swordofomens (L-8)
swordofomens- 4nxi3ty (L-8)
splitfarvle- MagnaofIllusion (L-8)

VC 4.

MagnaofIllusion- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, shmugen, NeroCain (L-3)
Nexus- Iecerint, Brizingre1 (L-7)
shmugen- Nexus, MagnaofIllusion, 4nxi3ty, BBmolla (L-5)

VC 5.

BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)
MagnaofIllusion- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, NeroCain, Iecerint (L-3)
Nexus- Brizingre1 (L-8)
shmugen- Nexus, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla (L-6)
Iecerint- 4nxi3ty (L-8)

VC 6.

BBmolla- hasdgfas (L-8)
MagnaofIllusion- Iecerint (L-8)
shmugen- Nexus (L-8)
Iecerint- Shmugen, MagnaofIllusion, 4nxi3ty, NeroCain, Seanald, Slandaar, BBmolla, Tammy (Lynched)
4nxi3ty - WrathChild (L-8)
hasdgfas- brinzingre1, splitfarvle(L-7)

Analysis

Major Wagons –

Slandaar Day 1 – shmugen, lucky, seanald slots, one known scum. (VC1)
PeregrineV Day 1 – WC, BB on basically whole time. Mostly ignoring those who jumped on after 48 hour deadline extension, since he was the only one close to lynch. (VC 2)
Magna Day 2 - Lots of confirmed town on this wagon. Notable exception is WC, followed by shmugen, who gets off once it hits L-3. (VC 4/5)
Iec Day 2 – Shmugen on Iec post Magna, 4nx and Nero on as well. Again lots jump on right before deadline to get a lynch in. (VC 6)

VC 3 also makes me think Nexus is likely to be town. At this point, we have many many confirmed town players scattered on non major wagons, while the Nexus wagon is comprised of scummy people.

Associations (or lack thereof) with known scum

BBMolla – Basically no mention of either of the scum except to comment on them after they die.
WC – Calls ooba scummy for the content of his posts, but never does anything more than that, preferring to go after Peregrine for fluff posting. Basically doesn’t mention SD.
Seanald/Andrius – Calls SD town, shares views with him, questions people who attack him. Not much to do with ooba.
Briz – places ooba as #1 town, SD in middle, defends ooba, no mention of SD
Ooba – Attacks WC/BB, but it’s hard to draw anything from that since they were in no danger of being lynched.

Conclusions

I can see either Briz or WC as scum partners with ooba. Sean/BB are scummy, more likely to be scum with SD.

Nero/Nexus/Slan are town. Lucky/cow/4nx are null. Shmugen's claim makes me inclined to say he is probably town, but he has been very anti-town if so.

I will support a lynch on any of those four today, preferably Seanald or BB.

At this point, Sean is just active lurking and not even doing a good job of that. Of the current viable lynch targets, I'd be most amenable to lynching him, briz is acceptable as well though if we must.

Unvote; Vote: Seanald

Alright so a quick ISO and here we go.
1. Put the first quote in for future reference.
2. He says that he needs to look at briz and cow more. He has no solid read on them at this point.
3. This is really important, Briz and WC are a scum team with OOba. Something is fishy here because he says he wouldnt care who of these 4 is lynched but prefers Seanald and BB. Now this is important because this the first mention that he is willing to lynch briz, but prefers not to. At quote, he in a way tries to find a way against someone voting Briz.
4. In this quote he votes Seanald because of lurking. Now I am not disagreeing on the reason, but with a firmer wagon like Briz right now, despite saying he would vote for Briz he refuses to vote and says Briz is an acceptable lynch as well. Now another point, I havnt gotten to the part were Seanald claims he is Yoda or missed it or something, but as town and with out seeing a counter claim, I would not risk lynching Yoda. If Seanald is Yoda and gets lynched, that is a win for the mafia.

My overall thoughts, Ooba/Briz/Lord are in a scum team.

If I need to explain a point or clarify it ask me, I am a little tired and tend to babble a bit which makes my point blurry at times.

[Shmugen]

Decent theory, though you need to fix some errors. BBMolla claimed Yoda, not Seanald, and at one point there you say Briz/WC/Ooba then you say Briz/Lord/Ooba.

[Luckyjt]

Oh nvm on the Seanald point then, got things jumbled up. @Lord any other reasons why Seanald is scum besides being useless or scummy and interactions with SD

No I never said Briz/WC/ ooba, I was just pointing out what Lord had said. See perfect example of jumbling my message.

[LordChronos]

I don't really care and it doesn't really matter if WC/Cow is scum with ooba or SD and vice versa. Why does this matter to you?

You should read Shumgen, he just says like a ton of scummy ass crap still I'd lynch WC/BB first.

It matters to me because there are tells from them to their partners and vice versa in addition to their individually scummy behavior.

Briz and Lord Chronos seem to be both scum. Ill show why tonight or tomorrow. Just got out of work and I can be more active now. I will be finishing my reading today. Again sorry for the inactivity but I just started on a summer job and I am tired on my first week, I should be getting better on the days to come.

One of several problems with your argument is that it relies on Briz being scum and you haven't shown why you think that is true at any point.

Alright so a quick ISO and here we go.
1. Put the first quote in for future reference.
2. He says that he needs to look at briz and cow more. He has no solid read on them at this point.
3. This is really important, Briz and WC are a scum team with OOba. Something is fishy here because he says he wouldnt care who of these 4 is lynched but prefers Seanald and BB. Now this is important because this the first mention that he is willing to lynch briz, but prefers not to. At quote, he in a way tries to find a way against someone voting Briz.
4. In this quote he votes Seanald because of lurking. Now I am not disagreeing on the reason, but with a firmer wagon like Briz right now, despite saying he would vote for Briz he refuses to vote and says Briz is an acceptable lynch as well. Now another point, I havnt gotten to the part were Seanald claims he is Yoda or missed it or something, but as town and with out seeing a counter claim, I would not risk lynching Yoda. If Seanald is Yoda and gets lynched, that is a win for the mafia.

My overall thoughts, Ooba/Briz/Lord are in a scum team.

If I need to explain a point or clarify it ask me, I am a little tired and tend to babble a bit which makes my point blurry at times.

2. Yeah, I was still rereading and analyzing the game at the point I posted that.
3. Why is it fishy to say that I would rather lynch the people I have stronger scum reads on? Seems the exact opposite of fishy to me. Note that I also said I think BB/sean could be a scumteam with SD.
4. Not lurking, active lurking. He is skipping by without giving content but still posting = scumtell. Briz is at least attempting to provide content.

Why put me as scum with ooba? What connections do I have with ooba? If we lynch Briz and he flips town would you still think I am scum?

Oh nvm on the Seanald point then, got things jumbled up. @Lord any other reasons why Seanald is scum besides being useless or scummy and interactions with SD

No I never said Briz/WC/ ooba, I was just pointing out what Lord had said. See perfect example of jumbling my message.

So, you want me to come up with a reason why Seanald is scum besides him being scummy? I think active lurking, bandwagoning with no reasoning and no previous mentions, and interactions between Andrius and SD just about cover it.

[LordChronos]

Also, what happened to your Nexus scum read because of his interactions with Briz? It's unlikely all three of us are scum with ooba.

[Nero Cain]

+10 brownie points if they can point out what scummy as fuck thing Lucky just said.