TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Captain Falcon]

CES. Rectify this statement in terms of what your teammates have stated within the last 4 hours with relation to this specific tell.

I think it's mostly null with a team like Captain's. Like I said, you need to have beliefs about how the team assigns its role PMs before you can really draw meaningful conclusions from it.

And where did you say this exactly?

I was referring to the comment you quoted. ("There are scenarios where team mates flipping scum or town would be meaningful, but I really don't see how Captain Ajax's alignment is supposed to be linked to Captain Falcon's. It's null.")

Yup.

You die.

Confirm vote: CES

[singersigner]

CES. Rectify this statement in terms of what your teammates have stated within the last 4 hours with relation to this specific tell.

I think it's mostly null with a team like Captain's. Like I said, you need to have beliefs about how the team assigns its role PMs before you can really draw meaningful conclusions from it.

And where did you say this exactly?

I was referring to the comment you quoted. ("There are scenarios where team mates flipping scum or town would be meaningful, but I really don't see how Captain Ajax's alignment is supposed to be linked to Captain Falcon's. It's null.")

Yup.

You die.

Confirm vote: CES

Wait, I don't get it. What did you conclude from his answer?

(airport internet so trolly. Must. Post. From. Phone)

[Zachrulez]

I don't get it either.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you think I'm faking that stance, then what's the flaw in my logic, Oversoul? It's sound reasoning.

[Captain Falcon]

I can't explain without point deductions.

Let me just say CES has two different opinions.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

So let's focus on what we can talk about; "You need to have beliefs about how the team assigns its role PMs before you can really draw meaningful conclusions from it." is pretty much provably right, so your case is without merit.

[Captain Falcon]

Yes, but you are using that reasoning to say that I am null for an Ajax flip whereas I have evidence that you don't think Ajax's flip is entirely null.

I noticed you did this with Llmarble too as if you are undermining any out of game towniness so you wouldn't have to deal with "confirmed" people in a set up that normally wouldn't give "confirms".

I let that slide but recent revelations indicate to me that you are applying this logic as you want it to suit you.

[Captain Falcon]

I basically have a problem with how you can say Ajax flipping is a null in relation to me (when I don't think so at all) but then say something else that I cannot bring up for fear of rule breaking.

[Zachrulez]

Oh christ.

[Captain Falcon]

I don't see how what I said is breaking the rules when others in this very game have said they have evidence that they cannot talk about and used that logic to vote someone.

I am done talking about it and if I do take a point infraction for what I said and for the sake of catching scum I will take the infraction.

[Zachrulez]

I had to open pandora's box.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

There are 2 possibilities:
1) You are missing something.
2) I'm making up my opinions to suit my scum agenda.

If it's 2), then you should be able to point to where my logic fails (if as you say you don't think Ajax flipping is null in relation to you, then explain why).

I noticed you did this with Llmarble too as if you are undermining any out of game towniness so you wouldn't have to deal with "confirmed" people in a set up that normally wouldn't give "confirms".

What are you talking about?

[Captain Falcon]

I went about this after talking to Zoraster and based my respOnse on the way others handled a similar situation in the same way. If I am punished for that then I am going to ask for those people to be punished as well.

Pedit: I think CES is tryin to get me to say something that will get me in trouble

[Zachrulez]

I am extremely annoyed now because I don't think I can talk about this without blowing up the proverbial mine.

[Captain Falcon]

Zach I think you are town. Don't do this. Wait and see how Equinox and Zor handle this (I don't see the big deal since I am dealing with vagueries and in game stuff only)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Pedit: I think CES is tryin to get me to say something that will get me in trouble

Like I care if your team gets a point deduction.

[Captain Falcon]

But you should. Either in honest gameplay or in winning Team Mafia.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.05

Llamarble (3) - Bub Bidderskins, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Captain Falcon
Nachomamma8 (1) - singersigner
singersigner (1) - Matias

Not Voting (5) - Benmage, Johhog, Llamarble, SocioPath, Nachomamma8

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[SocioPath]

Voting doesn't break rules, just do that and the train of thoughts will follow.


As far as who is scummy, I think that Socio guy is scummy as hell.
He has lurked all game, and hasn't provided much content. (if ANY real content)
Hasn't been helpful at all, hasn't been cooperative with the town and clear townies out there.
Still alive D2 despite being on the returning champion's team with all the insight and knowledge that goes with that.
Has said ONE WORD today so far, which only looks to have been said to dodge prods.

I'm sure someone can come up with a better case for this guy.
I think a wagon on him would be very beneficial at this point to see where everyone stands and why.

Anyone who has called him town is scummy as hell, that is for sure.

BUT ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.



This game will be won with finding a solid scum and a single buddy.
Do not waste time looking for a scum team of three, it doesn't even matter.
Part of my mistake last year was listing three suspects, with third changing up.
Focus on two.
Catching ONE SCUM and tying him to someone is all that is needed.


For scum, Matias is still a snake and needs to be eaten.

Vote: Matias

Also, Amrun brought up an intersting thing about Haddock:

I think Matias tried to encourage suspicion of me without comitting himself and he's asked for opinions without giving any.

I don't find bandwagoning scummy, avoiding bandwagons is something I'd see as more likely to extend RVS.

Then what are your thoughts on Haddock?

I don't agree with you. I don't think Haddock's "vote" was early at all. It was after 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon. Do you agree that, if you don't find bandwagoning scummy, that those that avoid bandwagoning are instead the scummy ones? Or do you feel like that isn't necessarily the case?

Unvote

This is what I'm talking about. Not "early at all"! "After 3 votes on Llamarble's bandwagon" , like that was anything other than 3 rvs votes on the same person.

Read my earlier post on my bandwagon analysis.

What analysis? I just ISOed you and I can't see any. Notepad?

VOTE: Matias

This post is just terrible. The point of Matias' post was not about Captain Haddock, but about discussing Zachrulez' motivation. This shows that Haddock is image conscious and lashing out at perceived threats.

I missed this completely, but now that I look back on it, Haddock's actions seem really scummy. In context, it seems like a very weird thing for him to say, like he perceived even slightest thing to be a threat. I don't like it.

unvote; vote: Captain Haddock

Unvote, Vote: Captain Haddock

. I'll take your word for it.

Let us look at this disjointedness.
Matias agrees with Bub, which is a quote of what Amrun has pointed out and is agreeing with HER, which was a post by Haddock originally casting suspicion ON Matias himself.
IN WHICH HADDOCK IS EXPLAINING THAT MATIAS IS ENCOURAGING SUSPICION ON HADDOCK WITHOUT COMMITTING HIMSELF.
Which is EXACTLY what he DOES with his vote on that wagon.

KEEP IN MIND that Amrun's post is way after the course of those events as they happened.
Which Matias had already responded to.
In fact Amrun's post was just regurgitation and was nothing to push any thoughts or ideas forward.
Bub jumped on that with a vote while Matias agreed with Bub's agreeing with Amrun's thoughts which was already stated by Matias and then Matias followed up with a vote.
THE DISSONANCE.

Bub is also crappy too.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

As far as who is scummy, I think that Socio guy is scummy as hell.
He has lurked all game, and hasn't provided much content. (if ANY real content)
Hasn't been helpful at all, hasn't been cooperative with the town and clear townies out there.
Still alive D2 despite being on the returning champion's team with all the insight and knowledge that goes with that.
Has said ONE WORD today so far, which only looks to have been said to dodge prods.

Add "goes after easy targets" to that list. Matias is probtown.

[Benmage]

Prod received.

[SocioPath]

As far as who is scummy, I think that Socio guy is scummy as hell.
He has lurked all game, and hasn't provided much content. (if ANY real content)
Hasn't been helpful at all, hasn't been cooperative with the town and clear townies out there.
Still alive D2 despite being on the returning champion's team with all the insight and knowledge that goes with that.
Has said ONE WORD today so far, which only looks to have been said to dodge prods.

Add "goes after easy targets" to that list. Matias is probtown.

Everyone is an easy target though if you word things right.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Are you really going to argue technicalities?

[SocioPath]

Are you really going to argue technicalities?

Would that be scummy?

Point is, sometimes Occam's razor applies.

[Captain Falcon]

Where we're you yesterday when I wanted to kill Bub, Socio?

Do you have any opinion on CES because I want Dutch blood today.

I will admit Matias was a source I contention in early QT talk when Haddock was still around.