D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[LordChronos]

" If Seanald is Yoda and gets lynched, that is a win for the mafia."

Do I win?

[BBmolla]

But I'm Yoda

[LordChronos]

I know, Lucky got confused and thought Sean was. The "If X is Yoda and gets lynched, that is a win for the mafia" still is scummy.

[LordChronos]

Btw, try reading the game, I know it's hard.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

BBmolla

- hasdgfas (L-6)

WrathChild

- NeroCain (L-6)

hasdgfas

- brizingre1 (L-6)

Brizingre1

- shmugen, Luckyjt, Slandaar, Seanald (L-3)

Nexus

- 4nxi3ty (L-6)

Seanald

- BBmolla, WrathChild, LordChronos (L-4)

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch

~Deadline is set for next Wednesday at 10 P.M. Central~

[Luckyjt]

I am reading the game it seems you skip things I posted. Look some pages back. I explained my thoughts on Briz, why I voted him, and that I am reading, but reading 50 pages plus a whole lot of things including a new job and stuff is really hard to balance. Real life is much more important. And I thought of replacing out for it, but I looked at my slot and so many people have replaced out, I dont want to do the same.

And I know Briz has to flip first which is why Im still voting Briz. I never changed my target I just threw some things out on a different person. I want to see the flip on Briz first, then I can make further judgements.

Also I know Lord that you can vote your most suspicious person, but what im getting at is the fact that you keep mentioning you are willing to vote Briz but never do so. It makes it look like you are trying to avoid a partner getting lynch but trying to make the town think you are on their side by mentioning that you are willing to lynch a possible scum and never doing so.

[LordChronos]

You attributed a whole bunch of scummy things to Briz, but you never pointed out anything in particular. I would appreciate if you did that.

[Luckyjt]

Yes you lucky people, you are priveliged to attend a live recording of my thoughts as I go through the thread. Before we start, one thing that I feel was never really explained before the old thread died was Iecerint posting this

If Fennin is lynched and flips scum, Iecerint thinks MagnaOfIllusion should be blaster'd.

Actually, Iecerint kind of thinks MagnaOfIllusion should be blaster'd regardless.

and never explaining why.

@Iecerint

Why, from what I read of the game, MoI was at least making an effort, and posting coherent arguments, not quite sure how you came to this stance?

Anyway, lets roll on, feel free to avoid this and skip to the end as it is fairly lengthy

Spoiler: A ton of awesome reads and whatnot

Page 1

Shadow and MoI already seem town, nice to back up my previous reads, still got a 'meh' read on Iec.
On the one hand WC posting up his reads looks town, on the other hand there seems something slightly odd about it, he could be scum trying to gain easy town points.
And Perev seems to be slightly scummy for the 'double RVS post'

Page 2

Post 25 seems town, it would have been easy for Iec to jump on the Nero Cain bandwagon if he was scum.
Good post by Kdub - pointing out some stuff about the Fennin case that I had forgotten and making people wanting his lynch seem more understandable
Post 48 is incomprehensible, while the next one's case on Malee seems very odd, so Slandaar gets scum points for that.

Page 3

Kdub is almost certainly town .
Slandaar is getting scummier and scummier, would be my first choice for a lynch at this point, his vote reads like a huge OMGUS.
Iecerint is starting to seem town, making reasonable posts

Page 4

Slandaar is starting to massively flail, don't like post 76 at all
Post 95: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???
Post 98: Yay, scum found!

Page 5

Foxace getting scummier and scummier
Nothing much else but a continuation of the MoI vs Slandaar thing, starting to get slightly boring - Slandaar reads as the scummier of the 2 but not particularly because of the lurking issue but more because of the way he responds to this suspiscion when brought up by MoI and Shadow

Page 6

Slightly fluffy posts from PereV - minor scum points
Foxace = scum partner with Slandaar

Phew

Damn a lot of fluff, means that unfortinately I must read less, reading the MoI vs. Slandaar case is draining my willpower to live.

Page 7

Post 161 is filled up with a lot of fluff. Minor scum read on Andrius
Loving the backtrack from Foxace, so far he's said MoI is scum, then said they are both scum, then said that Slandaar is scum. Keep on flailing . Trying to work out what he is actually saying would leave me staring at a blank wall and gibbering so I won't even try to read it.

Page 8

Don't see why WC felt the need to complete his cache work, starting to look scummy -
Wrath Child seems to be ignoring everything happening in this game after the crash

Page 9

Slandaar is starting to seem more town
Dany seems to be at least making an effort, but he seems to be following WC in only commenting on the cached files
Post 220 is very scummy, Foxace slot is my top target now
Nero's case on ooba is bad, seems like he is massively reaching

Page 10

Post 230, why thank you
Starting to dislike Sleepy Krew, is trolling a lot.
Nice quadruple post by pereV sliding me onto Page 11

Summary:

Leaving 4nxi3ty, Elmo, Nexus and Kurtis/Otto's slots out due to a lack of actual posts makes a read impossible

Town

ooba
Iecerint
MoI
PereV
Slandaar
Kdub
SD
Nero Cain
MS
SleepyKrew
BBMolla's slot
Andrius
WrathChild
sword_of_omens slot

Scum

Tbh this game is unusual as in I cant see anybody as definite town yet, I still think anybody could be scum at this stage
Slandaar vs MoI reads like a town vs town fight. I'd support a lynch on:
Andrius
WC
Foxace/sword_of_omens
Fennin/BBMolla

So... as the WC lynch seems to have the best chance of happening, I'll

VOTE:WrathChild

OOba top town read, flips scum.
Wagons on WC

Ok, 2nd try:
Wc's case on PereV actually looks fairly solid, could quite easily imagine him as scum
This post looks ridiculosuly scummy: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3948833

Hello all. I've just read up from the post-crash on, I'll get to the precrash when I can.

ooba strikes me as the scummiest player so far. His list of town and scum players is next to useless because there's very little reasoning. He voted WC, unvoted, and voted WC again which strikes me as someone who isn't actually paying attention and is just being opportunistic. He puts more effort into reiterating things that have been said and being helpful than scumhunting.

VOTE: ooba

Firstly, if you're going to vote someone based on giving very little reasoning behind their reads, you could vote at least half of the people in the game, just look at Iecerint's post which is the one above this (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3948768), quite frankly I cant work out why you're focussing so hard on ooba, who posted quite a lot of reasoning in the posts preceding his 'reads' post (which for the record is here:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3948001).

Your ooba voting WC case also falls apart because

DN reset the votes

meaning he had to vote WC again.

You seem to be massively reaching in a fairly scummy way:

VOTE:splitfarvle

And the sword of omnes slot is starting to seem more town now, his reasoning in general seems sound

Swinging back and forth on Slandaar atm, need to reread him and see what comes up.

Quickly defends Ooba.

VOTE:PergrineV

Joins the wagon on a flipped town. No reason until later where his reasoning seems to be made up on the spot. Seems to just have wanted to join the wagon.

Hes not as scummy as other people, I voted him because it was end of day and I thought it was a better wagon than PV and WC. Never felt that slot is town, so it was a fine lynch.

he isnt really neutral more lean scum, but theres so many scummier people a point I highlighted by showing your own reads.

Only Neutral read on my list was you, the person I didnt colour initially.

His vote on dr is fine. Dr is scum there is no problem here.

My problem with his dr vote was that it felt way too much like cow was taking the path of least resistance - dr seems to be a VI/troll, and he would be a fine blaster target, but a lynch? I'm not so sure.

briz never did supply that case on cow

hmmmmmmmmmm

Thats because I've made my points: I don't like his vote on drmyshotgun, his vote on WC, and I had a scum read on his predeccesor, there's not much more to add.

The split lynch is unlikely to happen, so after looking at that last VC, I'm going to

VOTE:Nexus

Joins the Nexus wagon, for some reason the first time I saw this, I saw it as "If I vote Nexus and he flips scum I will be in the clear." But looking into it again it seems he was joining another wagon. I will have to look at Nexus again to get a definite read on him.


Here are some the things of what I found scummy in Briz and thus has my vote now.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really care and it doesn't really matter if WC/Cow is scum with ooba or SD and vice versa. Why does this matter to you?

You should read Shumgen, he just says like a ton of scummy ass crap still I'd lynch WC/BB first.

It matters to me because there are tells from them to their partners and vice versa in addition to their individually scummy behavior.

it shouldn't. We lynch the scummiest player and then if they flip scum we reread and find buddies not the other way around.

Lucky, would you like to explain why you are only hunting for one scum team in 1544?

Also Lucky what is your read on WC?

[4nxi3ty]

way to point out the obvious, you are awarded 0 town cred points, you have successfully faked doing work of any kind.

What have you done?

UNVOTE, VOTE: Sean

Nexus has done even less yet you vote seanald for not doing enough >.> even your own play has detiorated into an lurking strategy.

Vote: WC

[brizingre1]

Screw it, the deadline is approaching.

I am Admiral Ackbar and am essentially an even night roleblocker, on N2 I roleblocked MoI.
I win when all threats to the town have been elimanated.

[Slandaar]

Lets lynch Briz

Activity has rocketed since he got wagoned

[4nxi3ty]

scum wouldn't claim roleblocker in multiball. It is a death sentence. briz is town.

[Luckyjt]

Alright Briz, what if I were to say I was admiral ackbar? How would you counter it?


Explain you reasoning or thoughts when you posted why I quoted in my last post. To me it seems you were just wagoning and protecting Ooba.

[brizingre1]

Alright Briz, what if I were to say I was admiral ackbar? How would you counter it?


Explain you reasoning or thoughts when you posted why I quoted in my last post. To me it seems you were just wagoning and protecting Ooba.

I would say that you were scum and vote you, seeing that I know you are lying.

Responding to the points you made above:

1 and 2: I genuinely thought that ooba was town over D1, I admit that it doesn't make me look good and can see your suspiscions but do you really think I would be that obvious in my defence of him if I was scum with him?

3: I hadn't posted anything game related for several pages and had just read through loads of pages without a break so I just wanted to get my vote down and explain my reasoning after a break. However it wasn't completely new - I first stated my suspiscion of Peregrine here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3951326

4: I'm not really sure what you're trying to point out here, how does this make me scummy in any way?

Lets lynch Briz

Activity has rocketed since he got wagoned

Read some of the other games I'm currently in, my activity has significantly increased in all of them because I've just finished exams.

And once again, I'll repeat this:

So like

Im town

Made my case

Voting my man

Later

I responded to your case, did you actually read that?

Oh, and missed this
And

@Nexus

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4066487
So, you come in after several days of lurking and state perhaps the most obvious thing ever, and then don't posting anything else? Yeah...

I'm pretty happy with a Nexus, Seanald or Cow lynch, I'll VOTE: Seanald

[hasdgfas]

scum wouldn't claim roleblocker in multiball. It is a death sentence. briz is town.

WIFOM. Pretty much the definition of it.


Briz: Any sort of explanation of how Ackbar is a RB? Ability names? Anything?

[Luckyjt]

@Briz it was this part that I found weird.

"so after looking at that last VC, I'm going to VOTE:Nexus"

It makes it look like you voted Nexus because of the last VC.

[Slandaar]

Whatever

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

Hes scum

[brizingre1]

scum wouldn't claim roleblocker in multiball. It is a death sentence. briz is town.

WIFOM. Pretty much the definition of it.


Briz: Any sort of explanation of how Ackbar is a RB? Ability names? Anything?

It's titled 'Trap' - I'm assuming a reference to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4

@Briz it was this part that I found weird.

"so after looking at that last VC, I'm going to VOTE:Nexus"

It makes it look like you voted Nexus because of the last VC.

I don't really remember why I said that now, but I'm guessing it was because I didn't want to hammer him yet or anything like that and because he had the most votes out of my suspects.

[Nexus]

lynch briz/cow/sean

dont care which

Whatever

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

Hes scum

confused.com

Yes, I came in and only posted "he trollin'" That was bad of me.

I really have messed up keeping up in this game.

[Shmugen]

I could see myself voting Nexus, but I'm still happy with Briz. Lucky, are you counterclaiming Ackbar?

[LordChronos]

Alright Briz, what if I were to say I was admiral ackbar? How would you counter it?


Explain you reasoning or thoughts when you posted why I quoted in my last post. To me it seems you were just wagoning and protecting Ooba.

Why did you post this softclaim of Ackbar? Why did you say that the scum will win if Yoda is lynched?

@Briz

Why did you roleblock MoI?

[Shmugen]

I rescind my previous statement. I could only see myself voting Nexus as a deadline compromise lynch. I want Briz dead.

[LordChronos]

I rescind my previous statement. I could only see myself voting Nexus as a deadline compromise lynch. I want Briz dead.

Why the change?

[Nero Cain]

Join the WC wagon.

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