NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[DeasVail]

I don't see how OMGL's response is particulary scummy though.

Hmm ok. How do you think scum would respond differently?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

DeasVeil is 100% not reading this thread, since I have never voted Kdowns or him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok seeing how this is going I am going to wait untill the next day to put anyone on the choping block. I don't want to assume and get myself in trouble from the get go.

Kill it. Kill it now PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME KILL IT DEAD>

WHY IS NO ONE KILLING THIS SLOT WITH PURGING FIRE?

OH MY FUCKING GOD DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE

[DeasVail]

Oh sorry LLD. That was meant for Mastin. Ugh.

[DeasVail]

And also, I see what you mean, but I don't think it's nearly as conclusively scummy as you think it is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And also, I see what you mean, but I don't think it's nearly as conclusively scummy as you think it is.

Yes, well. It's also Junpei's slot. That's all anyone needs.

[HezLucky]

Ok seeing how this is going I am going to wait untill the next day to put anyone on the choping block. I don't want to assume and get myself in trouble from the get go.

Kill it. Kill it now PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME KILL IT DEAD>

WHY IS NO ONE KILLING THIS SLOT WITH PURGING FIRE?

OH MY FUCKING GOD DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE

I am.

And also, I see what you mean, but I don't think it's nearly as conclusively scummy as you think it is.

It's possibly DV is just maf trying to feign stupidity [durr I dont know why he's scummy durrrrrrr]

[DeasVail]

It's possibly DV is just maf trying to feign stupidity [durr I dont know why he's scummy durrrrrrr]

Is that what you're doing?

[Nero Cain]

Its the only logical fucking explanation. There's no fucking vig. Those shots were terrible. Can a vig be terrible? Sure. Like I said if there were three shots I would buy a terrible vig. But with two shots and most if not all large games being mutli-scum (mafi team, cult, SK) The chances of us having an everyday vig are -99.9%.

You can stop preaching to the choir. It's been clear since before I voted you that I don't see a vig as likely. The reason for my vote is because you said it was a multiball, which I define as two Mafia teams. Not a single Mafia team and a serial killer—two Mafia teams. I have asked you to supply me with a third-party statement that a single Mafia team and a serial killer can constitute a multiball and you have not done so. Until you do this, I consider you to be

outed scum

. The presence or absence of a vig was never relevant as we both disagree there is one—the current argument is a dispute over whether or not a single Mafia team and an SK is a multiball.

I haven't heard back from the mods yet. Starting a GD thread asking how you define multiball doesn't really have anything to do with this game unless I specifically mention it, which I'm not. I just didn't want anyone to accuse me of such. So right after this post I'll do it.

For the record though I think multiball is any game with more than one kill a night from different factions.

I also find it pretty funny that you want

me

to find a statement that states multiball doesn't have to be just two mafia teams but

YOU

can't find a statement that defines multiball as 2 mafia teams and

ONLY

two mafia teams. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on you?

I'm not quire sure if you just really think I'm mafia and you are trying to "catch" me on this regardless if you're wrong or right about the definition of multiball or if you are just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

@NC: I mean backed off in that I stopped trying to convince you I'm not scum. At this point this seems like a pretty useless endeavor wouldn't you agree? You came off the scum read list for late day 2 play. Don't you have a scumread on FG?

Why demean my scumread on him then?

Can you point out

how

Nero is demeaning your scumread on FG?

Because I don't see it.

He was saying that b/c I have scumreads on both those players that I'm some how weaking his attack on FG.

[Nero Cain]

Well it looks like we are both a little wrong and right. Empking says it refers to multiple kills from anti-town (group) factions so the way I interpreted that was it could still be a Cultafia or a group of SK's like Lock Lamora used in his WWE game. The co-mod says that Fonz (who came up with the term) defines it as two scumteams. So I guess you're right though I think its pretty ridiculous that it HAS to be a group kill. A kill is a kill. Doesn't matter if it comes from a group or not. Oh well.

[StrangerCoug]

You may do my request for Nero Cain for him, but unless and until I get a statement from outside of the game made by neither Nero Cain nor me that says a multiball can consist of one Mafia team and a serial killer, my vote is not budging.

For the record this is wrong, what other people define as multi-ball is irrelevant.

It's only important what Nero beleives the term refers to.

I thought the term's meaning was standardized...

Oh yeah, and SC's accusation that only scum would assume it's multiball is not good.

This is not my case on Nero Cain. "Assume" implies that Nero Cain does not know for a fact that this is a multiball—he merely thinks it the most probable. By what he told The Mini-Librarian, it

IS

, thus revealing a certainty about the setup that only scum can have.

For the record though I think multiball is any game with more than one kill a night from different factions.

I also find it pretty funny that you want

me

to find a statement that states multiball doesn't have to be just two mafia teams but

YOU

can't find a statement that defines multiball as 2 mafia teams and

ONLY

two mafia teams. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on you?

Very well then, I will present what leads me to believe that a multiball is a two-scumteam game: Although doing a search for "multiball" on the wiki fails to come up with a page specifically defining the term, these three setups come up, which have in common either two Mafia teams or a Mafia team and a werewolf team; the designation "werewolf" simply being a retheming from Mafia.

Well it looks like we are both a little wrong and right. Empking says it refers to multiple kills from anti-town (group) factions so the way I interpreted that was it could still be a Cultafia or a group of SK's like Lock Lamora used in his WWE game. The co-mod says that Fonz (who came up with the term) defines it as two scumteams. So I guess you're right though I think its pretty ridiculous that it HAS to be a group kill. A kill is a kill. Doesn't matter if it comes from a group or not. Oh well.

Now that we've established that we were on different pages and have now come to the same one, the fairest thing to do is to UNVOTE: Nero Cain.
VOTE: Fallman7 as promised.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Delete the quote tags from Maxous.

~Fixed.

[HezLucky]

It's possibly DV is just maf trying to feign stupidity [durr I dont know why he's scummy durrrrrrr]

Is that what you're doing?

Please tell me you misread something.

Because if you didn't, you are next. No town is this stupid.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 3-4

(as of Post 2287)

Fallman7 (5)

- redFF, HezLucky, Lady Lambdadelta, , OhGodMyLife, StrangerCoug

kdowns (4)

- Maxous, Fallman7, mastin2, Code_X

FakeGod (2)

- The Mini-Librarian, Nero Cain

OhGodMyLife (1)

- DeasVail

Nero Cain (1)

- FakeGod

maxwell (1)

- Benmage

Not Voting (4)

- kdowns, maxwell, Psyche, scooby

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, June 1, 2012 4pm CDT

Replacing:

scooby

Prods:

maxwell

V/LAs:

RedFFMay 26
DeasVailMay 26
The Mini-LibrarianMay 28

[Nero Cain]

Very well then, I will present what leads me to believe that a multiball is a two-scumteam game: Although doing a search for "multiball" on the wiki fails to come up with a page specifically defining the term, these three setups come up, which have in common either two Mafia teams or a Mafia team and a werewolf team; the designation "werewolf" simply being a retheming from Mafia.

I did the same thing, though in my defense I see people in games yell, anytime there are multiple nightkills, "THIS IS MULTIBALL!!!". So I though it refereed to any game with multiple killing factions and was a "catch all" type phrase like scum is.

[maxwell]

sorry for my inactivity, I've been busier than I thought I would be but I'm going to at least get some partial reading in tonight and post content.

[PeregrineV]

andrew94 replaces scooby

[Maxous]

I don't see how OMGL's response is particulary scummy though.

Hmm ok. How do you think scum would respond differently?

idk.
Not saying it is a town looking response, he just said he is'nt responding because there is nothing from the line to respond to.

I guess more to the point is how you expected town to react to the statement.

[andrew94]

Hi guys. reading through thread, might take awhile. any summaries?

[DeasVail]

Not saying it is a town looking response, he just said he is'nt responding because there is nothing from the line to respond to.

Which is a response?

[andrew94]

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hezlucky - what do you mean by leading questions

Nihilsitc ninja (code X)
-talks and answerss for lady lambdadelta a lot.. too much

nero
- doenst wanna look up game. null
mastin
-on your post 260, what did you mean by junpei and Qt???

[maxwell]

I've read the posts on this day, skimmed some ISOs of the leading wagons but can't do more as my eyes are getting heavy.

FakeGod > kdowns > fallman, in terms of lynches I support right now based on limited information.

FakeGod's voting has been pretty blatantly opportunistic, and I don't see any real attempts to scumhunt from him, just dropping votes while occasionally giving weak defenses of players.

kdowns is similar in the lack of even pretending to be doing something, and the player he replaced was scummier than the player fakegod replaced, but missing that pine is dead seems vaguely townie - like it's a stupid uneducated guess, rather than a premeditated statement.

I thought junpei's reaction to pressure was screamingly obvious town, and I don't like how the wagon is going on him. Feels lazy. Can elaborate on this.

LLD

- why do you want to want to lynch fallman before he's even had a chance to catch up? Granted, I get the feeling he's not going to be useful at all, but I don't see the need to rush things.

fakegod is most likely to get a vote from me when i'm up on everything, too tired to get through right now though.

[DeasVail]

Andrew:

Sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you. Not much has happened really.

Maxwell:

What did you find scummy about Macros?

[maxwell]

his only vote was on benmage and it was justified with him "overreacting" and "trying to lead town", the second of which is a personal peeve of mine that tends to get thrown out by clueless scum.

Granted, I haven't actually read benmage to see the posts in question he's referring to, so I might change my mind, but as it is the way macros made his points was scummy in and of itself.

[DeasVail]

About OGML's recent post:

It demonstrates that his attitude to my suspicion of him is based upon the fact that there is ~seemingly~ nothing behind it. For some reason, he feels the need to mention it, dismiss it, and make a show of the fact that I don't have any solid reasoning behind it and that gives him the right to ignore me.

Town does not think like that.

Town would instead think about what my vote on them indicates regarding my alignment. I don't know if I'm able to explain it right, but I basically feel that it comes from a scum attitude- wanting to look town by making a somewhat snarky response (except it doesn't actually say anything), which does not at all seem like how town would respond to it.

Maybe I'll be able to explain it better when I'm less tired, but hopefully someone gets how I feel.

I'll probably go through his and firestarter's posts again at some point as well, but I urge everyone to consider OGML as scum and give thoughts on him.