The game of the year: town won!

[Staeg]

Okay, well, I fell behind about 10 pages at one point and then went oh fuck it I'll do it during the weekend

I don't think any of Spyrex/kondi is scum, but if I was forced to pick from them I'd lynch spyspy
I could easily go with driving a shaft through NS' neck
I might swing on PereV
But I prefer this one

vote: YYR

[SpyreX]

Working on VCA.

Can someone enterprising give me a list of all the changes not listed in the OP (replacements, stupid alts, etc)

[Amrun]

why did you dumb fucks lynch luffy

i haven't read the lead up... can't remember if i said

v/la until tuesday

[TeChNoWC]

Get NS. He's buddying Spyrex for towncred

What is your read on Spyrex?

[theamatuer]

Given associative tells, if NS is scum, Spyrex is town
So I'd have to say town

[Zdenek]

Apathy is going to eat this game if it doesn't become immediately clear that apathy = death.

I will shamelessly sheep all of your reads if you flip town, based 100% on this part of your post.

You still need to die though, unfortunately. Otherwise I will never forgive myself if you're scum.

Jesus Christ. This seems incredibly disingenuous. It's like you're buddying with him, in case he flips town, and setting up a rationale to not be held accountable for your vote.

[Zdenek]

I'm not interested in lynching Spyrex.
I'd be fine with lynching a lurker.
I'd still prefer a Kondi lynch.

[Zajnet]

Apathy is going to eat this game if it doesn't become immediately clear that apathy = death.

I will shamelessly sheep all of your reads if you flip town, based 100% on this part of your post.

You still need to die though, unfortunately. Otherwise I will never forgive myself if you're scum.

Jesus Christ. This seems incredibly disingenuous. It's like you're buddying with him, in case he flips town, and setting up a rationale to not be held accountable for your vote.

QFT, I'll be looking at UN more closely if Spyrex flips town.

[PeregrineV]

Luffy lynch was dumb. Lowman was just better alternative, but should stop voting self unless scum.

[PeregrineV]

chevre reeks of scum who was hiding under the radar, then finds a wagon to hop on but feels he needs to overjustify the vote

VOTE: chevre

Agree with this. Instead of mega-case to lynch the VT, could have used that time/brainpower for the legandary 50 player vca.

Vote: Chevre

[Chevre]

Peregrine, I made a case on Luffy because I felt like the material was there but it hadn't been formally collected into a "case." While the idea of vote-count analysis has been floating around for a while, Ellibereth made a post that really pushed for it following the Luffy lynch. I wasn't really sure of it, and I am still not sure of its merits given the fact that these wagons consist of less than a fourth or even fifth of the players.

I have not posted since the lynch because I am personally stuck. Of course I want to look at my multitude of suspects more in-depth and potentially pick one to vote, but I've noticed two flaws with the current game that concern me:

1) Lurkers are simply going to continue to lurk, and there is very little we can do about it. Seriously. We have players who pop in every few days or so and say, "oh 20 pages? Not reading trololol" . Even worse, this waste of a post is sometimes accompanied by a vote, which is ridiculous considering they have NO OPINION on the game whatsoever. In normal games there would be conventions to remedy this issue, but these solutions are out the window. First of all, prods are only dished out weekly, which means that a person posting once or twice per week sneaks by these prods. Would it be inappropriate to ask mykonian to prod more frequently? Second, with each page that fills up, it will become increasingly hard to find a player who would replace into this game. However, I think this is silly in the first place because we don't really have players flaking, we have players that simply do not have the motivation, time, or interest to read the game and post thoughts. I'm not sure there is a solution for this, but it leads to my third point: in a typical game, lurkers can be pressured to post via bandwagons. However, that doesn't really work in this game. When Captain Corporal was bandwagoned, he did not post his thoughts about the game, he instead pointed out other lurkers to target instead of him. Luffy's main reason as to why he shouldn't be lynched is because he COULDN'T be lynched because he would never attain enough votes. This was refuted, but it shows that players aren't going to respond to bandwagon pressure the same way they would in a normal game. I'm not sure there is a solution for this either, so we need to do something with prods.

2) There is an outrageous amount of deal-making going on. "Lynch X and then we'll lynch Y" has been all too common in this game, and I think it is ludicrous, not only because it requires dealmakers lay off their #1 suspect, but because I don't recall a single deal so far coming to fruition. I don't know if it's a more colloquial way to convince people the person your voting is more suspicious than their suspect, but I don't like it any case. We should utilize detailed cases to convince people to vote for someone not "vote with me I'll vote with you" nonsense.

Tomorrow I plan on looking into my other suspects further. One I will be focusing a lot of attention on is Mastermind of Sin, as he is the #1 culprit of prod-dodging no-content lurking. I want to hear suggestions as to what we do with him if a request for more frequent prods is deemed inappropriate or denied.

[PeregrineV]

@Chevre- Then, think about getting a scum role in a 50 player game. How much do you post to get by?
If you signed up for the game and got a VT role and really didn't want to play anyway, how much do you post?
I think we should lynch from those areas.

MoS may be a good candidate, but what do you think of any of the current wagons?

The deal-making is not real, and it's between all of 3 people, and they are still accountable for any votes they make.

[mykonian]

votecount

kondi2424 (4): Zdenek, nobody special, Zajnet, Kondi2424
Spyrex (4): callforjudgement, uberninja, mattP, Trevor
lowman (2): amrun, Lowman
amrun (2): BBmolla, spyrex
PeregrineV (2): Hoopla, zoraster
YYR (2): RedFF, Staeg
chevre (2): thetrollie, PeregrineV
nobody special (1): theamatuer
BBmolla (1): syndromeofadown

[SpyreX]

Wooooooo WELL DONE SO FAR:

Can someone enterprising give me a list of all the changes not listed in the OP (replacements, stupid alts, etc)

[UberNinja]

AAAAND

Chevre comes out of hiding to post RIGHT AFTER there are two votes on him

WOOSH

Vote: Chevre

@ Spyrex: Come with me if you want to live

[manho]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

[Hoopla]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

What do you think about SpyreX's continual acceptance and desire for his lynch? Same category?

[TeChNoWC]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

What do you think about SpyreX's continual acceptance and desire for his lynch? Same category?

It can definitely be scum WIFOM, but Spyrex does, to some degree, seem genuinely uncaring about his lynch, and not very defensive about it. He just seems hungry for blood. Not sure how to read it.

[manho]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

What do you think about SpyreX's continual acceptance and desire for his lynch? Same category?

The actual vote is important. So spyrex is not in that category.

[UberNinja]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that scums are much less likely to self-vote than town, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

What do you think about SpyreX's continual acceptance and desire for his lynch? Same category?

It can definitely be scum WIFOM, but Spyrex does, to some degree, seem genuinely uncaring about his lynch, and not very defensive about it. He just seems hungry for blood. Not sure how to read it.

What do you think about Chevre?

Hoopla, same question.

[TheTrollie]

yep...and now my vote on chevre feels very good. note the descriptive nature of that last post which is unlikely to help us find scum. Total defense mode after a second vote is dropped on him.

[redFF]

Don't like the chevre wagon and the 3 quick votes, looks like a scum led counterwagon to something.

vote:kondi

[kondi2424]

^ expected/10

[redFF]

Anything to get rid of you bro.

[Zajnet]

why is there so many people self-voting. it is almost always against your win con. you shouldn't be able to gain town-cred by self-voting.

but the sad truth is that

scums are much less likely to self-vote than town

, so i think both kondi and lowman is town.

not true.