TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[DeltaWave]

@Leela - You seem really concerned that you're going to be mislynched even though there isn't a single vote on you. Why?

As for the rest of the stuff - You say you forgot the post, I say that I'm skeptical. This debate isn't going to go anywhere.

@PeregrineV - I plan on doing that, but now is not the time for it... I want to see how certain things play out today first. I don't want to spoil what I think is going on.

[UberNinja]

blarg

but Glork said PV was scum and this porochaz wagon is going nowhere

[DeltaWave]

Poro is totally the play for today. I think it would be going places if there wasn't so much V/LA around here.

[Porochaz]

3ds post

I am trying to work out the point of the case against me... that I voted un day 1 and day 2 looked elsewhere and found problems with mos but ultimately found my original vote better. I am not voting for the same reasons as mos, whats more i am not linking my votes at all.

battery dying

[Mastermind of Sin]

Still V/LA, still think you guys are barking up the wrong tree here. I don't even like the UN/Delta wagons right now...thought one of them *might* be scum, I don't think they both are scum together.

[iamausername]

So your point is "If UN is scum, his lynch will be good", and you're trying to pass that off as a valid reason to lynch him. Got it.

Am I misreading/misunderstanding something? Wouldn't UN being scum be a valid reason for his lynch?

The point is that "if he's scum, his lynch is good" is not a reason that he's scum. It's a tautological argument. It's essentially "If he's scum, he's scum".

(As a reminder, the comment from Prozac being referenced was "the fact that a UN lynch gives a pretty good sign of Deltawaves alignment is what makes it a better vote.", which he later clarified as applying only in the case where UN is scum.)

Looks like [Leela's] slot stays as scummy as it ever was.

This is true (the amount is none).

@DELTA/UN/GREY, if you are wrong about porochaz, will you guys go and fuck yourselves? Serious question. Because right now, just the fact that you three are on that wagon makes me think that poro is town. Either it is becuase you three have really really bad reads or you are scum who have mastered the art of making yourself "too stupid to lynch". If it is the later, my hat is off to you, becuase you have really got this town by the balls. By the balls.

What exactly gives you the impression that they have this town by the balls? Is anybody else voting Prozac, or showing much inclination to listen to their increasingly desperate demands that we do so?

Everyone voting delta needs to vote UN. Or, conversely, everybody voting UN needs to vote for delta. Whichever one gets one of those two lynched will make me happy.

Yeah, OK.

UNVOTE: DeltaWave
VOTE: UberNinja

Even if you don't agree with my case against CD,

I was voting him before I made that argument

. So your position that I'm just using it to "hunt for a mislynch" is bullshit.

What the hell difference would that make? If scum says something to try to get a townie lynched, they are still trying to get a townie lynched,

even if they were already voting for that townie

.

In short:

You sure have overlooked or "forgotten" a lot of posts in order to make your points, even though you just replaced in and apparently just read through the thread/current events. Combine that with the fact that Om of the Nom claimed that he was replacing out because the game was moving too fast -- yet he was just spotted joining another game -- indicates that his replace-out was tactical in nature.

HI SCUM

...not OK.

UNVOTE: UberNinja
VOTE: DeltaWave

Just a note: I'm going to be on vacation for the next 10 days. I'll be posting from my phone, but updates might be spotty. Also look for funny iPhone typos!

literally have no idea if this is a serious post or a joke about the fact that everybody went V/LA at the same time

and then I posts Glork's posts with votes in them for later analysis, and then further later I post a list of the votes.

Is posting a list of the votes the later analysis, or is that for even later?

i mean how fuckin long can it take to say the people glork voted for had more motivation to kill him than the people he said he would never lynch ever anyway

And DeltaWave's town because I say he's fucking town. He thinks like me: namely, when he says "CoolDog is annoying as fuck but I can't lynch him in good conscience because I actually want to win this game and CoolDog is in all likelihood just stupid and not actual scum'

WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME THING I AM THINKING. AND I'M FUCKING TOWN.

How do you feel about his attacks on Captain Leela? Are they also the same thing you are thinking?

So you're telling me I should move my vote and do the same exact thing that you're voting Poro for? Am I missing something?

:admiralackbar:

I still have no idea what the "super glork towntell" is, but apparently it's worked for Glork in the past and since he has more experience than me, I might as well listen.

You should probably try reading the thread. I hear it helps. (Glork explained why jason was town in this post.)

I'm going to explain this to you because you don't seem to be getting it. Your slot is scummy largely because of Murasa's actions. Murasa almost never came up with an argument and relied on "trust me guys!!!" type statements, which were employed mostly in defense of Haylen and Glork.

How do you feel about UberNinja, and the way he has defended you?

scum doesn't spend that much energy going against obvtown like Glork.

Maybe my perception of D1 was skewed by my assumption that Haylen was scum, but I don't remember Glork being obvtown. Well, not at the point when DeltaWave started attacking him, anyway.

Unvote; Vote: PV

Because Glork said so.

wasn't there someone else Glork wanted to lynch?

starts with 'D', rhymes with MELT A RAVE?

just sayin

Poro is totally the play for today. I think it would be going places if there wasn't so much V/LA around here.

I want it on the record that I have returned from V/LA, and have absolutely no intention of getting on the Prozac wagon.

[UberNinja]

I'm a little confused as to what the above post was supposed to accomplish. Like, at all.

What's the point of switching your vote to me at all, if it just switches back to DeltaWave by the end of the post?
Looks to me like scum trying to appear to contribute or have changes of opinion without actually accomplishing anything.

Unvote; Vote: iamausername

PV is also perfectly fine to lynch.

Somebody needs to die, and it needs to not be me or Deltawave or CoolDog or GreyICE. Actually, don't lynch Leela either

Anyone else I am fine with.

[UberNinja]

oh, don't lynch Jason either. Slaxx I am kinda meh about.

He used to be town but I'm not feelin' it recently

[UberNinja]

oh, he's been gone for the last ten days, that's why

nvm slaxx stays on the town list. i would like to see more activity though when he gets back

[DeltaWave]

Cooldog - Opinions on Leela?

[Porochaz]

I am struggling to see why there isn't more pressure on UN here...

[jasonT1981]

Back and checking in. Will have a proper read tomorrow when I am not feeling as ill from a weekend of Alcohol abuse on my liver. Leela is striking me as town(ish) but I cant still shake all the crap from Capt M.

Poro... there needs to be more pressure put on others ahead of UN right now, not saying pressure on UN is a bad thing, there are just others I feel are better deserving of it. I think I will try and look closer at Leela tomorrow, I have read (or tried to for the most part) a lot of her posts but not had time to digest them and analyse fully.

I doubt I would get support for a DW lynch today, sadly. But Poro and PereV are in my orange pile and would be acceptable lynches for me today.

Give me a bit till I digest Leela's posts fully but on a glance she does seem a lot more coherent and steady than Capt M ever was. Again, though. I do need to read closer into her posts.

Oh and For the record.... weekends of Captain Morgan's Rum induced drunkenness are awesome!

[hasdgfas]

Porochaz(2): GreyICE, DeltaWave
Uberninja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
DeltaWave(2): Captain Leela, iamausername
iamausername(2): Mastermind of Sin, UberNinja
Mastermind of Sin(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting: Slaxx, jasonT1981
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd.


Hi guys. Equinox will be keeping an eye on the game the next couple days as I'm moving. There's a chance I'll be around tomorrow night, and it's likely I'll be off V/LA tuesday night, but I thought you should know.

[GreyICE]

Eyes on prize poro dies.

MoS acceptable, obvtown Iam is not.

[Slaxx]

Checking in on the ride home. Haven't read the walls between leela and delta yet.

Grey iam isn't obvtown sorry. What makes him so town to you bud?

I'm gonna try to get in contact with Reg or maybe magua tomorrow so I can talk to someone, otherwise ill such it up and break my codependence on my team and scumhunt all by myself . If I wasn't on my phone id add a pull ups pic or something to accompany that.

[Slaxx]

Also Jason has good taste In alcohol.

Now I'm done. I'll have something up tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

@UberNinja- my team has you 75% bad town. You can make that 100% good town by using your posts to add relevance to the conversation instead of useless quips.
for example, talk aobut your lynch list. Why those people why that order?

Porochaz
PeregrineV
MoS
iamausername

[UberNinja]

Poro, because of the double standard that Grey pointed out, plus my own gut.

You, purely because of Glork. I don't think someone would kill Glork if he hadn't suspected them, they'd want to keep him alive if he was sniffing around other people, especially given how he was willing to lynch Haylen though he disagreed with it.

MoS, mostly gut. I'll have to re-read and see if I find any dirt on him.

iama, mostly gut as well. Same as MoS.

[iamausername]

And DeltaWave's town because I say he's fucking town. He thinks like me: namely, when he says "CoolDog is annoying as fuck but I can't lynch him in good conscience because I actually want to win this game and CoolDog is in all likelihood just stupid and not actual scum'

WHICH IS THE EXACT SAME THING I AM THINKING. AND I'M FUCKING TOWN.

How do you feel about his attacks on Captain Leela? Are they also the same thing you are thinking?

I'm going to explain this to you because you don't seem to be getting it. Your slot is scummy largely because of Murasa's actions. Murasa almost never came up with an argument and relied on "trust me guys!!!" type statements, which were employed mostly in defense of Haylen and Glork.

How do you feel about UberNinja, and the way he has defended you?

Hi, UberNinja, DeltaWave. Please respond to these questions, or at least acknowledge that you are aware of their existence and are refusing to respond to them. Thanks.

[iamausername]

I doubt I would get support for a DW lynch today, sadly.

Wait, what? What on earth is giving you that impression?

[UberNinja]

Nope, iama, that's not what I'm thinking. But I'm not too worried about it because Leela doesn't seem in any danger of being lynched stupidly, like DW does.

Do you think that's inconsistent of me?

[Captain Leela]

Look at posts 625 through 638 between him and Glork. Glork's own team comments on Delta, and scum doesn't spend that much energy going against obvtown like Glork. and making sure it's on the record?

I also feel like he's doing the same thing today.

Okay, so I went through those posts, and I guess I can see where you are coming from, but there are a couple of posts there that I have a problem with. Delta has exhibited quite a stubborn personality in his arguments and tone, but in Post 632 Glork calls him out for still voting Haylen and keeping in there for about 600 posts or 24 pages. My problem is that in the very next post Post 633 Delta votes for Glork. Now, there were some earlier things that had my alarms up about Delta, but when I got to this I had an immediate reaction. What it looked like to me was that he got called out for having his vote still on an RVS target and immediately changed it due to pressure, which is something that I wouldn't associate with town or at least someone who had demonstrated a stubborn personality. The change in vote looks like it's for show rather than a natural action.

I mean he changed it in the VERY NEXT POST after getting called out for leaving his vote in RVS. It made him look nervous. Look at the process of interaction. In Post 630 apparently Glork thinks Delta's voting for him, then in Post 631 he realizes that he's still voting for Haylen and starts laughing and then we come to the two posts I referenced earlier. I just can't follow the town perspective here.

Other than that, I can see you're point, I suppose. The stubbornness and willful obtuseness is something that I usually more expect from town than scum, but it doesn't mean it can't come from scum. And if this is just his personality it's a complete null tell.


And, I read through MoS's ISO as well as I said I would, and seriously I got to his ISO #8 and didn't need to question my town read on him, but I pressed on...Post 772 makes me want to never lynch MoS in any game ever...Okay I think I see where you think he's trying to direct the game in Post 908, but he hasn't been doing anything with it since. I would think if he were trying to direct the day that he would be more involved. He gave his analysis and later voted for Iam, but that's it. His vote for Iam is probably the one thing that I really haven't understood from MoS this game, and he hasn't explained to me why he did it yet.

[UberNinja]

Glork, I'm really not sure what your goal is here.

Lynching scum, hence the iamausername vote.

This probably influenced my read on iamausername too.

I could probably see iama/PereV together as scum.

Hold on.

[UberNinja]

Here is all PeregrineV has said (or to) about iamausername ALL GAME:

Are you saying "convince him he can't read you"?

Are you saying anything useful in this game?

I haven't said much yet, aside from asking a question and trying to clarify what I've read so far. Stuff that is useful to me.

I think they want you to expand on what you said, and tell us why you are having your sixth sense warring when you read him.

First two posts gave good vibes, then they went downhill after that. But, some of his posts indicate a thinking pattern I can follow. And then sometimes he seems to hop wagons willy-nilly.
Stuff like that.

1) what built in Bias, and with who
2) 10 pages in, you have nothing concrete to go on? pfft

1)My built-in bias this game, at the start
GreyICE- scummish
Glork- townish
Uberninja- townish
JasonT1981- nullish (I can't recall a game I've played with you, only games of yours I've played in)
iamausername- null/scummish
Slaxx- null/scummish
Haylen-null/townish
Mastermind of Sin- null
CooLDoG- null/townish
Captain Murasa- null
DeltaWave- null/townish
Porochaz- null/townish

2) Nothing I'm buying whole hog, but I like the activity.

I think that until the flip, it makes sense to treat all players as both potential mafia and potential town. Granted, you may feel someone has more potential one way or another, but you can't know with certainty until the mod posts.

what an incredibly useless post

Now I'm sad, because I have failed in my duty to be useful to you.

PereV goes into the red/scum pile.

PereV Scum to town read list, please.

Noted.
GreyICE- I find scummy. Apparently I'm a minority in this.
Glork- I find townish. Of course, I haven't seen a scum Glork yet.
Uberninja- I find townish.
JasonT1981- Torn, so effectively a null.
iamausername- Null
Slaxx- null
Haylen- I find townish, but I kind of get the argument against her.
Mastermind of Sin- lurking, so scummish, but nothing in his posts point to it.
CooLDoG- townish
Captain Murasa- still scummish, but going towards nullish
DeltaWave- null for lack of posts
Porochaz- null/townish
PeregrineV-town

Caught up but not much activity.

@Capt Leela- Why exactly are you voting Delta? You're conversing with him, but your vote was accompanied by "let me show you how it's done."
Also, do you agree or disagree with 1089

@UberNinja- my team has you 75% bad town. You can make that 100% good town by using your posts to add relevance to the conversation instead of useless quips.
for example, talk aobut your lynch list. Why those people why that order?

Porochaz
PeregrineV
MoS
iamausername

Now to find out what Iama says about PV.

[iamausername]

What's the point of switching your vote to me at all, if it just switches back to DeltaWave by the end of the post?
Looks to me like scum trying to appear to contribute or have changes of opinion without actually accomplishing anything.

Well, see, while I was part of the way through catching up, I realised that my primary reason for voting DeltaWave over you no longer applied - neither of you are particularly likely to be scum with Prozac, so there was no reason not to go for the one which currently had more support.

Then I got to the part where DeltaWave started propogating some complete bullshit against my strongest town read, and now I think he's considerably more likely to be scum than you are, so I voted him again.

How do you feel about jason posting 869 in twilight? Why doesn't that look like scum trying to appear to contribute or have changes of opinion without actually accomplishing anything?