NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Psyche]

I don't think tortoises are lazy...they're just rather slow.

You'll get my reads on Monday and no sooner.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 3-5

(as of Post 2325)

Fallman7 (6)

- redFF, HezLucky, Lady Lambdadelta, OhGodMyLife, StrangerCoug, Benmage

kdowns (3)

- Fallman7, mastin2, Code_X

FakeGod (3)

- The Mini-Librarian, Nero Cain, Maxous

OhGodMyLife (1)

- DeasVail

Nero Cain (1)

- FakeGod

Not Voting (4)

- kdowns, maxwell, Psyche, andrew94

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, June 1, 2012 4pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

kdowns

V/LAs:

The Mini-LibrarianMay 28

[maxwell]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

He's pretty blatantly a dumb newbie and you're driving this way too hard on far too simplistic terms.

You think the slot is town but you'd support the lynch?!?

Bad wording on my part. I don't support the lynch but it is one of the leading wagons. I suppose I'd support it over no-lynching or lynching myself, but that's it.

Shottyiszik/Maxwell - Useless. Maxwell what about the rest of us? Why you isolating yourself to three nobodies.

Are you dense? I specifically said I've only read part of the thread right now and felt it was most pertinent to comment on the leading wagons. I have reads, but they're all gut from the last few pages and I don't have enough information right now to post an independent case, so would you rather I just lurk until I'm up to speed?

[HezLucky]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

He's pretty blatantly a dumb newbie and you're driving this way too hard on far too simplistic terms.

You're pretty blatantly bad at this game but I am at least appreciating the effort you are giving, unlike some people in this game -_-.

[DeasVail]

Here's the thing. I'm not going to support a lynch of fallman until he posts more and I think lynching him based on one post is a bad idea. I think he's the kind of player that will be easy to read after a few posts and I think all the rallying is premature.

Instead, I would like to say that Kdowns, maxwell and OhGodMyLife (preferably one of the last two) are all good lynches and would love one of them to happen today.

OhGodMyLife

First, as I've said before, Firestarter's rack vote was scummy because:

->It was lazy- No real effort put into trying to get a proper read of rack, which doesn't match the amount of effort put into the summary of the first part of the game. This indicates that his effort was going into furthering his scum agenda (wanting to post lots to look town) rather than town motives (wanting to put effort into reading people and discussing reads with others).
->There was little acknowledgement of the abundant rack suspicion at the time- possibly wanting to avoid sheeping.

477: In his response to me he says that if he had reasoning of his own then it's not scummy, when there was pretty much just one line about rack so he hardly had reasons of his own. I would think town more likely to comment that they didn't really have much reasoning and were just jumping on a wagon they thought was good.

He also doesn't think to unvote rack despite obviously not being able to engage in the game. This isn't conclusively scummy, but I think it is a little.

I still think that my suspicion of OGML is hardly the kind of thing he as town would come in and post for, considering his response does nothing to help the town and is basically saying "I'm not responding".

I'll try to explain again without looking at what I said before and hopefully I'll be clearer.

When a townie learns that someone suspects them and is under very little pressure, I think the first thing they would do if they decided to pay any attention to it would be try and work out whether it's coming from town or scum. A lack of content could be considered scummy perhaps, or it could even be considered more town. In a case of low content, as it was here, I wouldn't be surprised if town asked me to expand on my suspicion in an attempt to better read me. However, things that OGML said such as "I'm just going to ignore you because there is nothing to respond to in what you said" is not what I expect town's concerns to be at all. I do not think town would think this. They wouldn't want to ignore someone for the reason he said. It's not what they'd think at all. Instead, it sounds a lot like an awkward scum response, figuring out the best way to counter my suspicion of them and actually displays scum thought processes.

I feel quite happy with what I've said above, so hopefully people can read and respond with what they think.

Things that make me unsure:

-Firestarter's vote on rack seemed perhaps too badly justified to come from scum.
-I liked Firestarter's accusation of Psyche bussing rack.

Maxwell

There's not much behind this one, and I really don't know how to read shotty, but I found his comment about Macros being scummy, scummy at the time because I didn't really believe it. I can't really explain why though.

Also his latest post has a really scummy part that I'm not sure I want to point out right now.

If neither of the above two wagons look viable and I don't begin to read fallman as scum, I will probably reiterate my reasons for wanting a kdowns lynch.

Code_X

: What do you think of LLD's reason for wanting a Fallman lynch?

[HezLucky]

Here's the thing. I'm not going to support a lynch of fallman until he posts more and I think lynching him based on one post is a bad idea. I think he's the kind of player that will be easy to read after a few posts and I think all the rallying is premature.

Are you high? How is "wait for Fallman to post a few things" better than "wait for Fallman to post a few things and PRESSURE HIM MASSIVELY"?

Its not. You are out of your mind.

OH GOD SO MANY SCUM IN THIS GAME

[Psyche]

TODAY IS THE DAY.

[kdowns]

Mod, Replace me. I am dragging this game down way to much.

[Nero Cain]

YES!!!! Best post by kdowns EVER!!!

Too many scummy ass lurkers in this game. Nothing really new is coming out. I still think FG is todays best lynch but I might have to join the fallaman lynch just to end the day.

[Psyche]

KDOWNS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YES!!!! Best post by kdowns EVER!!!

Too many scummy ass lurkers in this game. Nothing really new is coming out. I still think FG is todays best lynch but I might have to join the fallaman lynch just to end the day.

Thoughts on Maxwell?

[OhGodMyLife]

DV, with three days to deadline you're trying desperately to start a counterwagon on me out of thin air. What, is fallman a scum power role or something?

I can't respond to your points against firestarter because I don't know what was going through his head. I can respond to your point against me. There is nothing worthwhile going on in this game because its at least 50% lurkers posting just when they're responding to prods. So I haven't been posting much, but I have been reading, and when someone writes that they suddenly suspect me for no god damn reason, I'm going to dismiss it. Every time. I'm still dismissing it.

Hez, not every person who voted for someone other than fallman was deflecting from the fallman wagon, but DV most certainly is.

[Nero Cain]

YES!!!! Best post by kdowns EVER!!!

Too many scummy ass lurkers in this game. Nothing really new is coming out. I still think FG is todays best lynch but I might have to join the fallaman lynch just to end the day.

Thoughts on Maxwell?

nullish. Everyone that's calling Jun/Fall town is slightly suspect b/c it could be inside info and his "bad wording" about supporting a town lynch might be a slip but there are much better scumspects out there.

[StrangerCoug]

DV, with three days to deadline you're trying desperately to start a counterwagon on me out of thin air.

I didn't realize it was so close. It feels too much like early- or midday and I still see no group cohesion in this game. If we do not step up, we will lose. That's what happened in The 100 Boxes Reboot—apathetic town led to a Mafia win. This is why I'm fine lynching lurkers for the sake of getting the game moving.

[HezLucky]

Hez, not every person who voted for someone other than fallman was deflecting from the fallman wagon, but DV most certainly is.

I know but I feel that if I yell hard enough maybe this lynch will actually go through -_-

[Nero Cain]

DV, with three days to deadline you're trying desperately to start a counterwagon on me out of thin air.

I didn't realize it was so close. It feels too much like early- or midday and I still see no group cohesion in this game. If we do not step up, we will lose. That's what happened in The 100 Boxes Reboot—apathetic town led to a Mafia win. This is why I'm fine lynching lurkers for the sake of getting the game moving.

This. It helps that several of the lurkers are scummy as fuck though. The only wagon I see through today is fallman. Who should we wagon tomorrow, SC?

vote:fallman

The Mini-Librarian
DeasVail
FakeGod
Psyche
mastin2
^^^^^^^
scums

[Code_X]

Code_X: What do you think of LLD's reason for wanting a Fallman lynch?

It's better than your case against OGML. It's a more viable lynch.

Junpei made several scummy posts - disputed Drmyshotgun for one. Fallman has essentially flaked/cannot be bothered.

And yeah I can live with a Fallman lynch.

VOTE: Fallman7

[Nero Cain]

I see you reading the thread red and I also see psyche playing in his other games. Lurk more scum.

[redFF]

sorry i fell behind and I'm kinda debating catching up. I think this day has outlived it's usefullness and we should just lynch fallman.

[DeasVail]

Are you high? How is "wait for Fallman to post a few things" better than "wait for Fallman to post a few things and PRESSURE HIM MASSIVELY"?

Its not. You are out of your mind.

OH GOD SO MANY SCUM IN THIS GAME

Are you serious? You're not pressuring him massively (which is not nearly as useful as you think it is by the way), you're making it so we won't be able to lynch anyone but him today.

I don't want to lynch someone after one questionable post when I had a townread on the predecessor. Even if fallman doesn't post anymore today, I'd rather lynch someone else and deal with fallman later when I can better read him.

Future posting from the fallman slot will greatly improve our ability to read him. Future posting from someone like OGML won't.

Yes. I am deflecting a fallman lynch. Deal with it.

[StrangerCoug]

DV, with three days to deadline you're trying desperately to start a counterwagon on me out of thin air.

I didn't realize it was so close. It feels too much like early- or midday and I still see no group cohesion in this game. If we do not step up, we will lose. That's what happened in The 100 Boxes Reboot—apathetic town led to a Mafia win. This is why I'm fine lynching lurkers for the sake of getting the game moving.

This. It helps that several of the lurkers are scummy as fuck though. The only wagon I see through today is fallman. Who should we wagon tomorrow, SC?

I worry the most about FakeGod.

[Psyche]

Sigh. I'm sorry, guys, but

V/LA

for a couple of days. "Things".

[FakeGod]

V/LA for tomorrow. Going shooting a film again for class final project.

[andrew94]

reading @ page 70 something atm

[Maxous]

Fine.

vote:fallman7

Let's just get this over with.