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HezLucky · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 12:47 am

Korlash 4 - pappums rat, The Mini-Librarian,Tammy, splitfarvle
vijay2vansandani 3 - Korlash,HezLucky, Yates
HezLucky 2 - PereV,Scott Brosius,
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

{looks at vote count}

Vijay is town. That counterwagon is probably based on crap. Korlash, my uber scum read, is on it. The person who was in this slot before me is on it, and Yates, who is town but bad at this.

Unvote, Vote: Korlash

You're at L-1.

HezLucky · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 12:49 am

Oh cool ScottBrosius replaced Knox, and he is trying to start a second counterwagon to the Korlash one. And he's obvmaf. Yay.

The tough mafia (Benmage) is dead and at least two have made themselves really obvious.

HEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZWAVRE

Tammy · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 12:57 am

↑ HezLucky wrote:
Korlash's #50-54 interactions with Benmage also look crafted. [hell the whole page looks crafted and I am not putting shit like that past Benmage - sorry Ben your buddy has let you down]

Okay so, I'm lame but I like this Hezlucky right now. When I replaced in, I said that Korlash's quote stripe discussions with Ben felt staged and not like they were evaluating each other to find scum. I promised Korlash I would point this out, but I haven't had a chance to do this yet. So, if you're not scum Hezlucky, I'm glad someone else saw what I saw. If you are scum, well blerg.

Hezlucky - Read Scott Brosius' "contribution" since he replaced in and tell me what you think.

Korlash · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 1:32 am

Alright, have to be quick because I''m off to work. I've got tomorrow off so there is no excuse for me not to get my analyusis shit up tonight. Being at L-1 should be all the motivation I need too. In fact, I'll lay it down. if I don't post something tonight/early tomorrow anyone is free to hammer me. HA, take that additions. Korlash is fighting back!

I have skimmed Hez's 774, I'll get a proper response when I have time. I will say it appears that he went into it TRYING to find evidence of me being scum, so to me it all feels fabricated. This right here for instance:

Hez wrote:And.... Korlash is mafia. Let me tell you why. There was NO need to weigh in on this. He basically took what Vijay said and expanded it ("I have to weigh in on this" give me a break you are posting game theory filler and doing nothing but setup speculation. How about you actually hunt scum? I HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ARE YOU SERIOUS?)

There was no need to weigh in on a main topic of discussion about a scum slip on page two... So what, it's more town to ignore the only real thing going on at the time? It's more town to ignore a possible scum slip? It was more town to twiddle my thumbs as the others played the game around me?

This attack is shit and faked. Posting filler on page two, what a load of crap. Posting a theoretical analysis over a possible scum slip is 'filler'? Bullshit. I'll try to save any opinions of him until I get a full responce to his post but from my end it all looks like a fabricated excuse to jump on my wagon. (more examples?)

Hez wrote:Vijay is town. That counterwagon is
probably
based on crap. Korlash, my uber scum read, is on it. The person who was in this slot before me is on it, and Yates, who is town but bad at this.

Probably based on crap? I get you haven't read it yet but what's the point of saying the above at all until you do? This is saying, Korlash is scum, therefore I THINK the V2V wagon is crap and therefore Korlash is more scum...

The only reason I can think to mention the V2V wagon (as crap) when you haven't read it is to attempt to find some additional backing to your Korlash vote. i.e. more reason I think all of this is faked.

And this:

hez wrote:You're at L-1.

(I combine this with all the 'diediedie' shit you said before)

Aye, I am at L-1... what are you, 'as town', now suppose to say?*

And... you didn't... You don't give two shits about my actual role do you? all you want is me dead.

Kay, I'm off. You folks stay classy until I get back now, ya hear!

*- It was 'ask me to claim' for those who couldn't figure it out.

vijay2vasandani · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 2:19 am

Well normally the claim comes when there's an intent to hammer. Like this one. So yeah, please claim.

pappums rat · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 6:12 am

Confirm vote: Korlash

If Korlash was town he would have had his "analysis" done with and we would have an answer about his stance on V2V. Instead he has replied to everything else and just sat on the V2V wagon waffling over whether he actually thinks he is scum or not. His response to hezlucky was all about trying to discredit him rather than his case, calling the case scum motivated but not going ahead with a vote on him even though he seems to have moar conviction in hezscum than in vijayscum. Do we really need a claim from this scum? Im sure he will just claim doctor or some shit and either out the real PR or stay alive based solely on his claim. Someone fucking hammer him plox.

jasonT1981 · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 am

Day 2 VC 4

Korlash 5 - pappums rat, The Mini-Librarian,Tammy, splitfarvle,HezLucky
vijay2vansandani 2 - Korlash, Yates
HezLucky 2 - PereV,Scott Brosius,
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

Not voting

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

(expired on 2012-06-08 15:16:47)

till Day 2 Deadline

pappums rat · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:48 am

Scott, when you get a chance could you answer my question from the other page? What is your read on Korlash?

Korlash · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 1:17 pm

↑ pappums rat wrote:
Confirm vote: Korlash

If Korlash was town he would have had his "analysis" done with and we would have an answer about his stance on V2V. Instead he has replied to everything else and just sat on the V2V wagon waffling over whether he actually thinks he is scum or not. His response to hezlucky was all about trying to discredit him rather than his case, calling the case scum motivated but not going ahead with a vote on him even though he seems to have moar conviction in hezscum than in vijayscum. Do we really need a claim from this scum? Im sure he will just claim doctor or some shit and either out the real PR or stay alive based solely on his claim. Someone fucking hammer him plox.

Rat you make me sad. You were just in a game with me *checks watch* like five minutes ago where I (as scum) fought tooth and nail (lol cause i was a rat...) to save my hide in a losing situation... But you're calling me scum for doing the relative opposite in this game? Come on man, are you high? You make sense none!

I did give an answer on V2V... I said I need to do my analysis first but given the way the game has worked I think he is town. <- that is a clear fucking stance.

Just sat on the V2V wagon? i've done more interaction with the V2V wagon then you've done all game long laddie. 'Just sat' my ass. (lololol...) It's far easier to see how I'm indecisive over V2V then it is to see why you think I'm scum.(looking at the contributions we've each given to the wagons)

My response to Hez was a first look with a promise for a REAL RESPONSE when I have time. I presented evidence to suggest why i got the impression it was all frabricated dealing with his first 'point' against me and his comments that came along with his vote. Explain to me how that isn't dealing with the case itself.

Not going along with a vote? I'm doing an analysis tonight, I won't vote until that's done regardless of what I think otherwise.

Do you need a claim from me? Hellz yeah you do. if I'm scum you want me to claim. If I'm town, you shouldn't want me to die. So there is no reason you shouldn't want me to claim. where you serious about this?

And I can't claim Doctor... If you want to toss meaningless characterization at me that is pointless slander then don't say something so fucking stupid. If I'm the doctor, why the fuck is Fate dead? (On a side note, why would you care about losing the doctor anyway? If I'm scum then there is only one left to catch, the doctor becomes a more or less meaningless power role at that point with such low odds of success. The one you should be worried about losing in this situation would be the cop. Think man, THINK. *taps head* Gotta be smart in this game.)

Yes, somebody fucking hammer the guy who no one could even bring about a single point let alone an actual case against until he hit L-1 (and first impressions tell me not to expect anything from that either... but I hold out hope...).

Yes, I'm so obviously scum that 5 people all have 'gut feelings' that I'm scum even without any real evidence... :\ actually, this scares me... Either both scum are on my wagon and this game just got really really easy... Or a lot of townies are willing to mislynch me for nothing... Am I really such a terrible person to play with? Now I'm sad... ;_;

Korlash · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 1:45 pm

Hez wrote:Korlash's #50-54 interactions with Benmage also look crafted. [hell the whole page looks crafted and I am not putting shit like that past Benmage - sorry Ben your buddy has let you down]

Explain. I assume from 'crafted' you mean 'fake' and not 'planned' since scum couldn't have planned anything at that point. What exactly seems fake about it, and why is it that we're both in on it and not just him being the one doing the 'crafting'?

Hez wrote:Korlash #207 - OH GOD CAN THIS GUY BE MORE SCUM? I actually looked at MoI's so called "slip" that Yates pointed out and my EYES FUCKING WIDENED. Liek HOLY SHIT I WOULD HAVE HAMMERED HIM THERE AND THEN. You are trying to discredit someone for pointing out a LEGIMTIMATE SLIP [that happened to be wrong, but of course, given that we know Korlash is scum Korlash himself is more than happy to point out that Yates is wrong before the D1 lynch flip]

So this is an admittance that the first point you raised against me is entirely what makes me scum then. Otherwise, how is 'we know Korlash is scum" a given? I just want to be clear on what your 'case' is.

And I'm scum because I read the game better than you? That seems strangely like it's an argument doomed to fail. I didn't see it as a slip, I argued my side of it, and as you say I was right. I'm scum how? You assume I knew MoI's alignment and so I'm scum... because I'm scum... Great! *claps hands* Very precise argument I suppose. I can't wait until you get to the part where I accurately call him out as fakeclaiming so I can see how you spin that as me being scum... Should be exciting to see...

Hez wrote:Korlash/Yates argument is scum v. town

Why? Oh right... It's a given that I'm scum. sorry, forgot you made up your own rules before hand... Sorry, my bad... Sorry... *backs away slowly*

Seriously though, what makes it scum v. town? (and why am I the scum)

hez wrote:Korlash is scum becaues he's being cheeky as fuck. Die diediediediediediediediediediediediedie.

I'm only cheeky with the people I love! <3 you Fate!

Hez wrote:Korlash's attack on Ben in #225 is also garbage. Ben flipped scum. Nice faux-bus.

Oh oh oh! *jumps* this is what I was waiting for! I saw this and was like "please be a legitimate attack against me". I have such hope for this when I read my post...

[small break while I look up said post]

Bit of a let down, but I have to give Hez credit. this is the first attack that actually FITS my scum meta. It's wrong, obviously, but the best thing actually brought against me all game.

Explain to me how it's garbage.

Hez wrote:So Fate-town is dead and most of the remaining town are useless [everyone except Yates] or not good enough to win us this game [Yates]. Yay.

This just made me giggle. You think I'm scum but the one person voting WITH me is the one you believe will win us the game... ha ha ha... (Sorry dude, but he'll never feel the way about you he feels about Tammy... It just wasn't meant to be... *sighs* I know how you feel man... *pats back* you'll be okay!)

Because I'm not letting you get away with it... (I assume this was your planned 'out', right?)

Why did you feel it alright to put me at L-1 with 11 days left of deadline when you've only read 1/3 of the game?

Final thought: 'Case' is a huge disappointment but if he can actually back up these Ben links he's come up with that might actually be the first legit point against me. It will be hard since I don't have links to Ben, but it will be fun to watch him try...

Korlash · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 1:56 pm

Tammy wrote:Okay so, I'm lame but I like this Hezlucky right now. When I replaced in, I said that Korlash's quote stripe discussions with Ben felt staged and not like they were evaluating each other to find scum. I promised Korlash I would point this out, but I haven't had a chance to do this yet. So, if you're not scum Hezlucky, I'm glad someone else saw what I saw. If you are scum, well blerg.

Aye, I'll be the first to admit I wasn't looking at Ben as hard as I should have. I got bad feelings from him and that was a part of why I was 'on MoI's side' in that argument but it was always Yates or Rat or someone who had my attention. I'd like your opinion on how the interactions looked 'staged' as well though.

V2V wrote:Well normally the claim comes when there's an intent to hammer. Like this one. So yeah, please claim.

Hold up while I make a clever joke at your expense...

"Well, I won't truly be worried about you hammering me until you say this another four or five times." lololol =D

But let me break it down for you because unlike MoI, I don't do this shit based on emotions. I do them based on proper play.

1. An intent to hammer me without indication you actually think I'm scum means the threat is worthless. If you're town, you won't hammer me this far from deadline unless you actually think I'm scum. Since you give no indication of that, I have no fear you'll actually do it. And if you're scum, I won't rob us of the chance for you to tie your own noose and hammer me without reason. No not claiming in light of this request would be the optimal play because it leaves the chance to catch V2V-scum open.

2. I won't claim until after my analysis is completed, regardless of who asks. Even then, unless there is a small majority of people asking for it, I won't do it this far from deadline for reasons I won't disclose.

I did at one point intend to softclaim a bit... Can't remember if I actually posted it or just dreamed it, but I guess if you look through my posts close enough you might spot it. Anyway, analysis first, then we can discuss the merits of me claiming.

pappums rat · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 2:03 pm

Korlash wrote:I did give an answer on V2V... I said I need to do my analysis first but given the way the game has worked I think he is town. <- that is a clear fucking stance.

So you think he is town and yet you are still voting him... cool beans bro.

Korlash · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 2:09 pm

Pretty much. If you actually read my posts you'll realize my V2V vote was about getting information and not about whether I thought he was scum or not. Until I finish this analysis, no reason to change it.

Tammy · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 2:09 pm

↑ PeregrineV wrote:
↑ HezLucky wrote:Hi everyone.

Will read game soon. Excited.

Anything I need to know?

You probably got a scum PM and you need to bus Korlash to save yourself.

I re-read this and laughed and laughed and laughed in light of:

↑ HezLucky wrote:

Vijay is town. That counterwagon is probably based on crap. Korlash, my uber scum read, is on it. The person who was in this slot before me is on it, and Yates, who is town but bad at this.

Unvote, Vote: Korlash

You're at L-1.

↑ Korlash wrote:(Sorry dude, but he'll never feel the way about you he feels about Tammy... It just wasn't meant to be... *sighs* I know how you feel man... *pats back* you'll be okay!)

Well you know...not everyone can be me

Oh and

unvote

I meant it earlier when I said I wouldn't have voted for him if it would have put him too close to lynch because I wasn't sure I wanted him lynched. I'm not going to leave him at L-1 when we're this far away from deadline and I haven't had a chance to finish reading and thinking about some people - and pointing out what I meant about his conversation with Ben.

vijay2vasandani · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 2:35 pm

Intent to hammer
Intent to hammer
Intent to hammer
Intent to hammer
Intent to hammer

Scared now? And seriously this game.. Fate why you no vig me?

Sadly, I just realised you aren't at L-1 anymore.

Korlash · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 6:00 pm

Alright, I finished the vca/wagon analysis and got a list of five names. Two 'perfect' matches, one due to sheer numbers, and two wildcards. I'll get those results up when I'm completely finished.

Now I'll get started on the Ben ISO. That'll give me two sets of results to compare. When I'm done with that, I might need to ISO some of the names as well.

Tammy wrote:Well you know...not everyone can be me

Maybe not, but they could spend their lives in a futile attempt to be so... and it would not be a wasted life.

Yates · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 3:49 am

Back from vacation and reading through. There was one thing that jumped out at me immediately and requires immediate comment:

↑ Korlash wrote:...On a side note, why would you care about losing the doctor anyway? If I'm scum then there is only
one left to catch
...

@Korlash - how do you

know

there are only two scum left? Explain please.

Korlash · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 4:22 am

I don't know anything, but I've made an assumption (a relatively intelligent assumption) and am playing under the belief of said assumption. I'll walk you through my thought process if you want.

I was in a 25 player game a while back where we had a scum team of four. We are now in a 13 player game... Explain to me the possibility of a four player scum team... That's right, zero. It's non-existant. THUS, Ben is scum, in the hypothetical situation where I am his partner, there is AT MOST one left to catch.

I can go deeper if you want. I ignore the possibility of a SK until I see evidence to suggest one exists. it doesn't make sense to assume a role exists without cause. So all setups with an SK are out until new information comes to light.

There is a possibility of two scum teams, both with 2 people. But since there were only two kills last night AND since Ben didn't flip (some form of Mafia A/B) then we can safely assume we only have one team to find.

So, our possible set=ups are:

1 scum team of two (with a possible SK)
or
1 scum team of three (with a possible SK)

Assuming three accounts for both possibilities since when you're looking for three, you will find two. If you see a fault in my thought process, I would be glad to hear your input since my VCA has been done under the assumption of three scum.

Yates · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 4:33 am

↑ Korlash wrote:
↑ pappums rat wrote:
Confirm vote: Korlash

If Korlash was town he would have had his "analysis" done with and we would have an answer about his stance on V2V. Instead he has replied to everything else and just sat on the V2V wagon waffling over whether he actually thinks he is scum or not. His response to hezlucky was all about trying to discredit him rather than his case, calling the case scum motivated but not going ahead with a vote on him even though he seems to have moar conviction in hezscum than in vijayscum. Do we really need a claim from this scum? Im sure he will just claim doctor or some shit and either out the real PR or stay alive based solely on his claim. Someone fucking hammer him plox.

Rat you make me sad. You were just in a game with me *checks watch* like five minutes ago where I (as scum) fought tooth and nail (lol cause i was a rat...) to save my hide in a losing situation... But you're calling me scum for doing the relative opposite in this game? Come on man, are you high? You make sense none!

I did give an answer on V2V... I said I need to do my analysis first but given the way the game has worked I think he is town. <- that is a clear fucking stance.

Just sat on the V2V wagon? i've done more interaction with the V2V wagon then you've done all game long laddie. 'Just sat' my ass. (lololol...) It's far easier to see how I'm indecisive over V2V then it is to see why you think I'm scum.(looking at the contributions we've each given to the wagons)

My response to Hez was a first look with a promise for a REAL RESPONSE when I have time. I presented evidence to suggest why i got the impression it was all frabricated dealing with his first 'point' against me and his comments that came along with his vote. Explain to me how that isn't dealing with the case itself.

Not going along with a vote? I'm doing an analysis tonight, I won't vote until that's done regardless of what I think otherwise.

Do you need a claim from me? Hellz yeah you do. if I'm scum you want me to claim. If I'm town, you shouldn't want me to die. So there is no reason you shouldn't want me to claim. where you serious about this?

And I can't claim Doctor... If you want to toss meaningless characterization at me that is pointless slander then don't say something so fucking stupid. If I'm the doctor, why the fuck is Fate dead? (On a side note, why would you care about losing the doctor anyway? If I'm scum then there is only one left to catch, the doctor becomes a more or less meaningless power role at that point with such low odds of success. The one you should be worried about losing in this situation would be the cop. Think man, THINK. *taps head* Gotta be smart in this game.)

Yes, somebody fucking hammer the guy who no one could even bring about a single point let alone an actual case against until he hit L-1 (and first impressions tell me not to expect anything from that either... but I hold out hope...).

Yes, I'm so obviously scum that 5 people all have 'gut feelings' that I'm scum even without any real evidence... :\ actually, this scares me... Either both scum are on my wagon and this game just got really really easy... Or a lot of townies are willing to mislynch me for nothing... Am I really such a terrible person to play with? Now I'm sad... ;_;

No, that will suffice. I have been

assuming

a scum team of three [with the possibility of an SK] but your statement didn't sound like a guess.

Yates · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 4:34 am

^^^
I have no idea why post 783 was just quoted above.

Korlash · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 5:05 am

Yeah well, it was dealing with a hypothetical where I was scum. My mind starts yelling at me when I start assuming things I know not to be true.

Ok finished Ben ISO. Compared to my VCA, I have four people that made both lists, one that made it super high both times. I'd like to do those ISO's soon too, but I think I'll get my results posted first. Will take me a bit to write them I think...

splitfarvle · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 5:19 am

@Korlash- What you said was completely contradictory. As scum, you would have left Fate alive. As scum, you would have killed Fate. Those are mutually exclusive, and if your sig wasn't proof enough, it shows that what you say cannot necessarily be trusted. You are arguing whatever you can to not get lynched and that looks like flailing to me. Scum flails.

Regarding your other "point", it's not stupid to me. Those three players look genuine in their pressuring of you, so I don't expect any bussing on their parts.

@Tammy- I thought it was a decent start to my contributions to this game, no one else noticed it. And like I said, you, pappums, and Yates seem genuine in your pressuring of Korlash. The only experience I have in watching scum bus reveals inconsistencies and contradictions in their attitudes and efforts.

I'm perfectly happy if I can clear several players as town via one player's flip. PoE is a perfectly valid strategy.

Korlash · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 6:04 am

Spoiler: Wagon Analysis

Results: (in order of likelihood)

Hez
Split
Rat
(wild cards: Pere, Scott, Tammy)

Note: This doesn't account for an actual VCA which could +/- a score based on individual votes and not just wagons. I'll do it when I have time, but for now this will suffice.

Spoiler: Ben ISO

Results: (In order of likelihood)

V2V
Split
Yates / Pere

(wild cards: Hez, Scott, Tammy)

Unvote:

Obviously this isn't as narrowed down as I would like, but I've only had one actual day of stuff to look at. (with results)

I can't ignore Split showing up high on both. tammy and Scott are on both due to their slots being more or less not here all game. As such, none of this analysis can safely say ANYTHING about their alignment either way.

Scum list as follows: (ignoring Tammy and Scott since I can't place them)

Split
V2V
Hez
Pere
Rat
Yates

Town:
Librarian

Final discussion:

This completely goes against my own personal beliefs... I'm kinda pissed actually. I gave town credit to rat, V2V, and Pizza for being the 'competing' wagons and my results say that is false. I want to go after Hez with a crowbar, yet he only scores middle rung... I don't like calling Librarian or Yates town, and I hate not being able to place Tammy or Scott... I wish I had like... two more days... and maybe four more flips... AND LESS FUCKING LURKERS SCREWING UP MY RESULTS!

I want to do Pizza's ISO and look over this new post from Split before voting... Given my results, and his recent 'why you no vig me' comment, I could even be talked back onto my V2V vote... *sigh* stupid math... being all... stupid...*kicks dirt*

PeregrineV · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 6:17 am

↑ Korlash wrote:I don't know anything, but I've made an assumption (a relatively intelligent assumption) and am playing under the belief of said assumption. I'll walk you through my thought process if you want.

I was in a 25 player game a while back where we had a scum team of four. We are now in a 13 player game... Explain to me the possibility of a four player scum team... That's right, zero. It's non-existant. THUS, Ben is scum, in the hypothetical situation where I am his partner, there is AT MOST one left to catch.

I can go deeper if you want. I ignore the possibility of a SK until I see evidence to suggest one exists. it doesn't make sense to assume a role exists without cause. So all setups with an SK are out until new information comes to light.

There is a possibility of two scum teams, both with 2 people. But since there were only two kills last night AND since Ben didn't flip (some form of Mafia A/B) then we can safely assume we only have one team to find.

So, our possible set=ups are:

1 scum team of two (with a possible SK)
or
1 scum team of three (with a possible SK)

Assuming three accounts for both possibilities since when you're looking for three, you will find two. If you see a fault in my thought process, I would be glad to hear your input since my VCA has been done under the assumption of three scum.

Here is an example of why some may consider you scummy.

This post is tl;dr- There is a scum team of three players in a game this size, but may be only two. Maybe there is an SK.

So, if this is accurate, we all know this, why spend 256 words to say it?
Kills don't reflect an SK, which would be rare anyway, so why bring it up?
And these are questions to town-Korlash. We already know why scum-Korlash would do all this.

Korlash · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue May 29, 2012 6:20 am

Split wrote:@Korlash- What you said was completely contradictory. As scum, you would have left Fate alive. As scum, you would have killed Fate. Those are mutually exclusive, and if your sig wasn't proof enough, it shows that what you say cannot necessarily be trusted. You are arguing whatever you can to not get lynched and that looks like flailing to me. Scum flails.

they are not contradictory. one argues my personal scum meta or belief, the other argues this games own reasons for seeing Fate dead. You cannot look at the answers without actually looking at the questions that brought about those answers. It would be like asking "do you like oranges" and getting the answer "yes!" then asking, "If you have an apple, would you like an orange" getting the answer "no" and calling it a contradiction because he said both "yes' and "no". They are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE questions with MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE answers.

It was speculated I killed Fate because he was a threat, I argued that if I saw fate as a threat, I wouldn't kill him. This means, the statement "Korlash might have killed Fate because he felt Fate was a threat" is false.

Speculation on why Fate would have died netted the response, "Anyone would have killed Fate, it was common sense." This means, the statement "Korlash might have killed Fate because it was common sense" is true, BUT it applies to everyone.

There are not a contradiction because they both deal with mutually exclusive schools of thought. Would I have killed Fate as scum, YES. Would I have killed Fate DUE TO THREAT? NO. (absolutely, NO, contradiction. Killing Fate is a given, 'because he was a threat' is an exclusion to that given)

And what do you mean "Doing whatever I can not to get lynched"? Who the fuck doesn't? That is not automatic flailing. You need to show HOW and WHERE I am flailing before you accuse me of it, otherwise it doesn't exist.

And are you suggesting my signature has anything to do with my alignment in this game? Seriously? A signature I've had for four years... clearly was due to this specific game's alignment! Great thinking mate.

Lastly, fine. That's your opinion. But you shouldn't have it until AFTER the flip. seeing potential scum links is something you can't avoid pre-flip. Seeing potential town links is something you NEED to avoid because it's a dangerous route and will ALWAYS lead you to failure. You cannot base a 'scum read' in any way on 'town links'. (Now I'm not saying you are in fact doing this, but given what you have said so far it appears to be one of the reasons you are voting me...)

Split wrote:I'm perfectly happy if I can clear several players as town via one player's flip. PoE is a perfectly valid strategy.

POST flip, yes... doing PoE pre-flip to JUSTIFY said flip is not a valid strategy.